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ferryman said:
tobydawq said:
So, the Colombians pronounce Hodeg something along the line of Jotsch (the "j" pronounced like a regular Spanish "j"). I realise that the name cannot be of Spanish origin but that seems like a very odd pronunciation, though.

Can anyone explain why this is so?http://forum.cyclingnews.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=6&p=2236353#

Edit: Apparently he is a descendant of a Scotsman and his name has been misspelled from his baptism. It should have been Hodge.



You got a link to that? Unlikely, but would love to claim him as one of ours ;)

https://elpais.com/deportes/2018/03/19/actualidad/1521481812_203662.html

It says so in this article. Inner Ring says that his mother is from Lebanon, so his background is quite complex and I don't know if you can claim him ;)
 
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Broccolidwarf said:
Armchair cyclist said:
tobydawq said:
So, the Colombians pronounce Hodeg something along the line of Jotsch (the "j" pronounced like a regular Spanish "j"). I realise that the name cannot be of Spanish origin but that seems like a very odd pronunciation, though.

Can anyone explain why this is so?

Edit: Apparently he is a descendant of a Scotsman and his name has been misspelled from his baptism. It should have been Hodge.

Why would his baptism have any pertinence to his family name?

Because that is where you get your name...... DUH ;)

No. Baptism is a religious ceremony at which a child's given names are used (not when they are first given those names, although the verb "baptise" is used, incorrectly, as a synonym for "first named") .
Family names/surnames/apellidos are not used at all in the ceremony.

Using that sarcastic "duh", especially when you are discussing the matter with someone who knows far more about it than you do, does not do your credibility any favours at all.

tobydawq said:
Yeah, at least that is so in Denmark. But I didn't really know what to write there - it seemed a little wrong to me too.

I guess you mean civil registration. That is the forum that the article in El País attributes the error to.

tobydawq said:
https://elpais.com/deportes/2018/03/19/actualidad/1521481812_203662.html
Inner Ring says that his mother is from Lebanon, so his background is quite complex and I don't know if you can claim him ;)

Although his maternal grandfather's surname is Colombian (unless the registrar messed up again), so I'm not sure about that.

El País say that it is his great great grandfather that came from Scotland, so I wouldn't expect to see him belting out Flower of Scotland from the podium or appearing in the Commonwealth Games.
 
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tobydawq said:
ferryman said:
tobydawq said:
So, the Colombians pronounce Hodeg something along the line of Jotsch (the "j" pronounced like a regular Spanish "j"). I realise that the name cannot be of Spanish origin but that seems like a very odd pronunciation, though.

Can anyone explain why this is so?http://forum.cyclingnews.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=6&p=2236353#

Edit: Apparently he is a descendant of a Scotsman and his name has been misspelled from his baptism. It should have been Hodge.



You got a link to that? Unlikely, but would love to claim him as one of ours ;)

https://elpais.com/deportes/2018/03/19/actualidad/1521481812_203662.html

It says so in this article. Inner Ring says that his mother is from Lebanon, so his background is quite complex and I don't know if you can claim him ;)

Cheers.
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
I guess you mean civil registration. That is the forum that the article in El País attributes the error to.

tobydawq said:
https://elpais.com/deportes/2018/03/19/actualidad/1521481812_203662.html
Inner Ring says that his mother is from Lebanon, so his background is quite complex and I don't know if you can claim him ;)

Although his maternal grandfather's surname is Colombian (unless the registrar messed up again), so I'm not sure about that.

El País say that it is his great great grandfather that came from Scotland, so I wouldn't expect to see him belting out Flower of Scotland from the podium or appearing in the Commonwealth Games.

Here is a rather official source: https://alvarohodeg.com/
His great great grandfather was from Scotland and went to Colombia AFTER the WW2.
His maternal family name, Chagüi is originally from Lebanon and it's pretty common in Cereté, Cordoba (mom is not from Lebanon nor family name is Colombian)
 
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Tonton said:
Alexandre B. said:
It’s becoming sad for Bouhanni.
What's sad for me is that he had a great spot, but didn't fully commit, and the second that he realized he had lost, he quit fighting. Demare in PN showed an entirely different attitude. Win or lose, Nono threw is guts on the road, and whatever was going to happen happened. Won in Meudon. And when he didn't win MSR, Demare gave props to Nibali, didn't look for excuses.

Nacer needs to realize that he's at best a second-tier sprinter. Fact: accept it. The giro stuff years ago was because Kittel abandoned and there was no one left. Fact. Also: Nacer needs to accept defeats and learn from them.

It's mental: his world is being put upside down. Has been for some time. He's not what friends, complacent journos said he was. Instead of blaming others, Nacer needs to look at himself in the mirror, he's still young, he can and must improve.
This is way over the top. No need to devalue his previous wins. He's got bronchitis, he'll be fine. Even he winds up having an off year, it happens. Look at Kittel's 2015. Your beloved Démare was also awful that year, not winning a single race against even a 2nd tier sprinter (no, Boonen was not even a 2nd tier sprinter at that point in his career)
 
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tobydawq said:
So, the Colombians pronounce Hodeg something along the line of Jotsch (the "j" pronounced like a regular Spanish "j"). I realise that the name cannot be of Spanish origin but that seems like a very odd pronunciation, though.

Can anyone explain why this is so?

Edit: Apparently he is a descendant of a Scotsman and his name has been misspelled from his baptism. It should have been Hodge.


hrotha said:
I'm not sure it's a mere misspelling, since the form "Hodeg" seems to be relatively common in the region. I mean, it probably did originate as a misspelling, but it has a life of its own now, just like "Jhonatan" or "Jhon".

Really? I thought it was a Syrian-Lebanese surname. These surnames are pretty common in the Caribbean coast of Colombia (Shakira being the most famous Colombian with such kind of surname).
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
Broccolidwarf said:
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El País say that it is his great great grandfather that came from Scotland, so I wouldn't expect to see him belting out Flower of Scotland from the podium or appearing in the Commonwealth Games.

Please stop, you are putting a beautiful image into our heads :D We can still dream, even if he would never ride for us :p
 
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tristecsinamigos said:
Really? I thought it was a Syrian-Lebanese surname. These surnames are pretty common in the Caribbean coast of Colombia (Shakira being the most famous Colombian with such kind of surname).
His second surname, "Chagüi", is of Lebanese origin. "Hodeg" is not.
 
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Netserk said:
@Ac
In Denmark, the civil registration is the (state) church. No matter if you are baptized or not (Christian or Muslim etc.). And I'm quite sure surname is given there as well at the same go.

I see, so the state church acts as a registrar. But registering a birth is not baptism, and I am fairly certain that that is not the case in Colombia, so Broccolidwarf still needs to explain his sarcastic arrogant tone.
 
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DNP-Old said:
Rumors that Valter 2000 may get scrapped due to bad weather.
Isn't the forecast something like -10°C or even lower at the top of the climb + gust of wind up to 70 km/h?
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
Netserk said:
@Ac
In Denmark, the civil registration is the (state) church. No matter if you are baptized or not (Christian or Muslim etc.). And I'm quite sure surname is given there as well at the same go.

I see, so the state church acts as a registrar. But registering a birth is not baptism, and I am fairly certain that that is not the case in Colombia, so Broccolidwarf still needs to explain his sarcastic arrogant tone.


The state church is the registrar? I'm not sure how it works in Colombia. In the US it's the Vital Records Dept of the state govt that registers births.
 
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The wind could be the biggest problem, if you dress up properly you can ride with those temperatures, even if it's rather unpleasant, but if you add such a strong wind it gets more complicated.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they make their decision on where to end tomorrow's stage tomorrow morning. They could end it at the top of the previous climb which looks like a top then flat to this climb being where the stage ends. Definitely will make for a bit different way the stage is raced.
 
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Mayomaniac said:
The wind could be the biggest problem, if you dress up properly you can ride with those temperatures, even if it's rather unpleasant, but if you add such a strong wind it gets more complicated.

Especially with the tiny climbers. Imagine if a guy like Quintana got hit by a 70 km/h gust of wind... :eek: