Vuelta a Andalucia Ruta Ciclista Del Sol 2024, Spain, February 14-18

[Ilmaestro99]

It was a Mickey mouse 5km prologue, not a tour of Andalucia

 

[DNP-Old]

It was a Mickey mouse 5km prologue, not a tour of Andalucia

Doesn't matter. This argument would only be valid if it was part of the regulations and the rule books, which it is not.

 

[Netserk]

Well they finally got it right for once, so I'm not unhappy.

People just wanna rage at the UCI. Again.

Red Rick: Other people just complain for the sake of complaining. I only ever complain when I have good reason to.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

GC for one day of racing seems a bit redundant doesn't it?

So if a two-day stage race (Alpes Maritimes, Castilla y León and so on) gets one solitary stage cancelled, it should be stage points only too? Because with the rate at which stages are getting pulled lately, that situation is going to arise sooner rather than later. How would it be fair to have a 50% drop in race days/distance lead to a >90% drop in points?

I would be pretty surprised if the UCI doesn't have some rule in that when *** hits the fan they can decide whether races get their full points or not.

Well, then consider yourself surprised: they don't, and have therefore pulled this decision out of their *** with zero legal justification.

 

[tobydawq]

Would the sensible thing not be to score it as a 1.Pro race? Seems a bit of a no brainer to me.

Me too.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

People just wanna rage at the UCI. Again.

If there are two people on this forum who should not be posting this, one of them actually posted it and the other is writing this reply.

 

[tobydawq]

It was a Mickey mouse 5km prologue, not a tour of Andalucia

What's with you and your fixation with Mickey Mouse?

Other literary figures do exist.

 

[roundabout]

2.6.001 Stage races shall be run over a minimum of two days with a general time classification.They shall be run in road race stages and time trial stages.

And that's the only rule on the subject I think.

Edit: and I think the initial fallback plan for the ITT was for it to be the first stage of 3, not as 1-day replacement race, so I do not think that the decision to award stage win points only is *that* unfair.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

What's with you and your fixation with Mickey Mouse?

Other literary figures do exist.

The funny thing is that he respects Mickey Mouse more than he does 80% of actual riders, given the lack of spelling errors.

 

[Samamba]

2.6.001 Stage races shall be run over a minimum of two days with a general time classification.They shall be run in road race stages and time trial stages.

And that's the only rule on the subject I think.

Edit: and I think the initial fallback plan for the ITT was for it to be the first stage of 3, not as 1-day replacement race, so I do not think that the decision to award stage win points only is *that* unfair.

But they acknowledge there is a stage, a stage that is in fact part of a stage race right?
And yes it's one day so it's a one day race...

That rule simply doesn't say anything.

 

[Samamba]

You think an in promptu mini TT literally noone signed up for and noone prepared for should be valued as the a 5 day stage race?


There's regulations, and there's intentions behind regulations, and in extreme cases things happen that regulations failed to take into account. At the very least I think giving this full points goes against all the intentions of the rule.

No I don't think they should've given the full points, but I do think 20 is beyond ridiculous.

And you can have you're opinion, it's the fact that you think you have the only correct one that's the problem.

 

[roundabout]

But they acknowledge there is a stage, a stage that is in fact part of a stage race right?
And yes it's one day so it's a one day race...

That rule simply doesn't say anything.

Rules do not say that if only 1 stage of a race can be run it automatically becomes a 1-day race.

 

[Samamba]

Rules do not say that if only 1 stage of a race can be run it automatically becomes a 1-day race.

Indeed, they don't. THEY DONT HAVE THE RULES THEY PULLED SOMETHING OUT OF THEIR ASS.

That's the whole problem. You can't just make up new rules mid season.

And definitely not when in the past you have bent your own rules to appeal to some rich fuucks in the sport. It just shows you're corrupt.

 

[roundabout]

Indeed, they don't. THEY DONT HAVE THE RULES THEY PULLED SOMETHING OUT OF THEIR ASS.

That's the whole problem, do you not understand it.

It seems that the problem is that you do not like the decision even though that decision was one of the choices possible by the lack of clear rules.

 

[Samamba]

It seems that the problem is that you do not like the decision even though that decision was one of the choices possible by the lack of clear rules.

No I don't like how the UCI makes up rules whenever they wan't and when they have rules don't follow them when someone gives them money. If there was a rule about it no one would complain, even tho some would think it was unfair.

There also was a UCI commissaire present, he should've told everyone there before the race there wouldve been a GC. But wait, he didn't know, cause yk there are no rules. So they let them take part in a *** circus act instead of letting rider go race something else that weekend.

 

[roundabout]

No I don't like how the UCI makes up rules whenever they wan't. If there was a rule about it no one would complain, even tho some would think it was unfair.

Awarding 1.1 points would also be making up rules.

I would even say that such a decision would be more arbitrary.

 

[Samamba]

Awarding 1.1 points would also be making up rules.

Yes it would indeed. So the only thing they could do was leave it how it was. Not like they're gonna do it, but this decision would never stand in a court.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

One important thing to note: there is precedent for a race shorter than this handing out the same number of UCI points as a normal-length race, because the one-kilometre Millemetri del Corso di Mestre was an officially-sanctioned UCI event when it ran between 1985 and 2005, and was lumped together with other one-day races in terms of points. So the length argument is, at least legally, incorrect.

 

[roundabout]

Yes it would indeed. So the only thing they could do was leave it how it was. Not like they're gonna do it, but this decision would never stand in a court.

Leave how it was how? Sorry I lost track of what would have been the fair resolution.

 

[Salvarani]

What's with you and your fixation with Mickey Mouse?

Other literary figures do exist.

Micky mouse has become a term to describe pretty much a clown-show. They are in the same ball park of the meaning of it.

Enlighten us on other cartoon characters to describe the same thing.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What's with you and your fixation with Mickey Mouse?

Other literary figures do exist.

Doesn't Fausto Masnada, or at least the one Ilmaestro keeps referring to, count as a literary figure by now?

 

[roundabout]

One important thing to note: there is precedent for a race shorter than this handing out the same number of UCI points as a normal-length race, because the one-kilometre Millemetri del Corso di Mestre was an officially-sanctioned UCI event when it ran between 1985 and 2005, and was lumped together with other one-day races in terms of points. So the length argument is, at least legally, incorrect.

Are you sure that any ranking points were awarded?

I started watching cycling back when that race was still running and I have never heard anything about ranking points being awarded for it.

 

[Netserk]

One important thing to note: there is precedent for a race shorter than this handing out the same number of UCI points as a normal-length race, because the one-kilometre Millemetri del Corso di Mestre was an officially-sanctioned UCI event when it ran between 1985 and 2005, and was lumped together with other one-day races in terms of points. So the length argument is, at least legally, incorrect.

Yes, for the current rule set, this case is equivalent to Haut-Var having cancelled one of its stages.

 

[yaco]

I would argue that stopping a stage race before the important GC races meaning no one actually raced for it id way worse than deciding your GC by ona hill climb (cauwe thats basically what it was) where actually everyone went full gas. The best riders (a pro quality field) went h2h and everyone knew it was decisive.

Actually the mountain stages had been completed in the 2020 UAE Tour as the last two stages were flat.

 

[Samamba]

Actually the mountain stages had been completed in the 2020 UAE Tour as the last two stages were flat.

I know, it was just an example. Tour of Britain 2022 was pretty bad for example.