Vuelta a Andalucia Ruta Ciclista Del Sol 2024, Spain, February 14-18

[Sciatic]

At this point, just end this charade and call the whole thing off entirely. Or nuke some farmers into orbit, I'd be okay with that too.

Maybe some of the riders can skip over to Algarve and join in for the last few stages

 

[yaco]

Thinking that if they cant get stage three organised then the race will be cancelled. It will be heavy financial hit for the organisers.

 

[Samamba]

Just cancel it entirely then. This is beyond stupid.

0 empathy with people who think they're above the law and think that disrespecting people that have nothing to do with it is the way too show that they feel disrespected themselves.

 

[Sciatic]

Just cancel it entirely then. This is beyond stupid.

0 empathy with people who think they're above the law and think that disrespecting people that have nothing to do with it is the way too show that they feel disrespected themselves.

How do you know their actions are above the law? The main issue still seems to be adequate police presence left for covering the race since most are tasked to the protest. Peaceful protests are likely legal there, but police always keep a presence along the periphery of the protest. Definitely massively inconveniences a lot of residents, sucks for this race, but that doesn’t make it “above the law.”

 

[Samamba]

How do you know their actions are above the law? The main issue still seems to be adequate police presence left for covering the race since most are tasked to the protest. Peaceful protests are likely legal there, but police always keep a presence along the periphery of the protest. Definitely massively inconveniences a lot of residents, sucks for this race, but that doesn’t make it “above the law.”

True, I don't know about the Spanish law so maybe it isn't illegal there to just randomly block roads, but it is in a lot of countries. It wasn't just about not having enough police today, there were 3 roadblocks on the parcours today.

It doesn't just suck for this race, farmers all around Europe (and the world honestly) have been an annoyance, preventing people going to work, disrupting normal life. I simply don't respect people like that.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Rip John Cunliffe

 

[DNP-Old]

If farmers elsewhere are of the same behaviour as they are here in The Netherlands, I can safely say these are not law abiding citizens. They are terrorists.

 

[zlev11]

not a big loss with this route anyway. hope the farmers dont back down until they get what they want.

 

[Sciatic]

True, I don't know about the Spanish law so maybe it isn't illegal there to just randomly block roads, but it is in a lot of countries. It wasn't just about not having enough police today, there were 3 roadblocks on the parcours today.

It doesn't just suck for this race, farmers all around Europe (and the world honestly) have been an annoyance, preventing people going to work, disrupting normal life. I simply don't respect people like that.

Understood. The right of peaceful assembly (i.e. protests) is not only legal but included in the founding documents (constitutions etc) of most democratic countries. Many people disrespect or despise any kind of collective labor protests(e.g. the existence of unions) but historically they have an important role in society and human rights. Whether the aim of any specific protest is worth the disruption it causes is usually up for debate.

 

[Samamba]

Understood. The right of peaceful assembly (i.e. protests) is not only legal but included in the founding documents (constitutions etc) of most democratic countries. Many people disrespect or despise any kind of collective labor protests(e.g. the existence of unions) but historically they have an important role in society and human rights. Whether the aim of any specific protest is worth the disruption it causes is usually up for debate.

Lol there's a difference to a peaceful protest and blocking roads. They can protest all they want, just don't try to ruin the days of people who have nothing to do with it.

And no it has nothing to do with disrespecting "any kind of collective labor protests". I have exactly the same opinion with people who protest for Palestine of BLM or climate or whatever. Protest all you want, in a peacefull way, but don't do it by annoying "innocents" on purpose.

 

[Sciatic]

Lol there's a difference to a peaceful protest and blocking roads. They can protest all they want, just don't try to ruin the days of people who have nothing to do with it.

Probably varies by country, but every protest I’ve ever been in or watched go by has taken place on public roads and streets, and this has blocked them.

And you understand the purpose of a protest (except for anarchists) is bring attention to a problem or plight, and to curry attention involves inconveniencing some aspect of society.

 

[Lequack]

So much action already on the first day.

 

[Sciatic]

So much action already on the first day.

 

[Tim Cahill]

So much action already on the first day.

Let's be honest, this was always a bit of a farmers race anyway.

 

[Berniece]

Probably varies by country, but every protest I’ve ever been in or watched go by has taken place on public roads and streets, and this has blocked them.

And you understand the purpose of a protest (except for anarchists) is bring attention to a problem or plight, and to curry attention involves inconveniencing some aspect of society.

In Belgium they blocked every major highway for a week and our biggest harbours, costing the economy 100million euros. I have no sympathy for such actions

 

[Sciatic]

In Belgium they blocked every major highway for a week and our biggest harbours, costing the economy 100million euros. I have no sympathy for such actions

I might feel that way as well if I lived there, but I was responding to the scale of event at Andulucia and whether such activity is “legal.”

ed. Apologies, I realize I’ve moved this toward a political discussion which is off limits here. I’ll stop; if folks disgusted with the protests in your countries want to harangue me further I will leave that up to you.

 

[Lequack]

The Vuelta a Andalucía will be reduced to three stages and will begin with a time trial (might be a mistranslation, they can't just add an ITT can they?)
"The 70th edition of the Cycling Tour to Andalusia-Ruta del Sol will resume Friday with a counterclock in the town of Alcaudete and will end Sunday, so the format has been reduced from five to three stages, so Thursday, as this Wednesday, there will be no day."

La Vuelta a Andalucía queda reducida a tres etapas y empezará con una contrarreloj

La 70ª edición de la Vuelta Ciclista a Andalucía-Ruta del Sol se reanudará el próximo viernes con una contrarreloj en la localidad jiennense de Alcaudete y concluirá el próximo domingo, por lo que el formato se ha reducido de cinco a tres etapas, con lo que el

www.esciclismo.com

 

[repre]

In Belgium they blocked every major highway for a week and our biggest harbours, costing the economy 100million euros. I have no sympathy for such actions

Polish pro-russian farmers are blocking borders and it not only costs our economy, but also lives of ukrainians who doesn't get in time ammo, cars and other stuff they need to repel russians. Don't know why police not involved more and not preventing from such big damages not only economical, but existential as well

 

[Samamba]

Yeah 5km TT lol, out of nowhere.

My guess is with normal road bikes? Can't expect teams to fly over TT bikes in one day time?

And Stage 2 is an uphill finish. No idea what that means, what kind of uphill finish. Did they find a mountain? Weird that they can't even do the stage with the circuit.

 

[yaco]

Even a 5km ITT will chnage the dynamics of the race. Though it still a wide open race.

 

[Sciatic]

The Vuelta a Andalucía will be reduced to three stages and will begin with a time trial (might be a mistranslation, they can't just add an ITT can they?)
"The 70th edition of the Cycling Tour to Andalusia-Ruta del Sol will resume Friday with a counterclock in the town of Alcaudete and will end Sunday, so the format has been reduced from five to three stages, so Thursday, as this Wednesday, there will be no day."

La Vuelta a Andalucía queda reducida a tres etapas y empezará con una contrarreloj

La 70ª edición de la Vuelta Ciclista a Andalucía-Ruta del Sol se reanudará el próximo viernes con una contrarreloj en la localidad jiennense de Alcaudete y concluirá el próximo domingo, por lo que el formato se ha reducido de cinco a tres etapas, con lo que el

www.esciclismo.com

Wow, serious stuff if tomorrow “there will be no day”

 

[Devil's Elbow]

They are doing the stage 2 circuit in the opposite direction, but instead of finishing on the pass, they go all the way up to the sanctuary at Araceli.

This climb:

They did the same MTF in 2012, but took a steep cutoff road (600m at 12.5%) bypassing 1.6k to 0.2k on the profile below. Results of that stage here. I have no clue whether that steep cutoff will be used this time round.

Oh, and here's the full press release:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1757845716108546334

 

[Samamba]

They are doing the stage 2 circuit in the opposition direction, but instead of finishing on the pass, they go all the way up to the sanctuary at Araceli.

This climb:

They did the same MTF in 2012, but took a steep cutoff road (600m at 12.5%) bypassing 1.6k to 0.2k on the profile below. Results of that stage here. I have no clue whether that steep cutoff will be used this time round.

So basically hard enough to make the TT not really matter that much. Will be one decisive stage then.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

So basically hard enough to make the TT not really matter. Will be one decisive stage then.

It really isn't a hard MTF, could easily have a couple of riders sprinting it out. So the TT could definitely decide things.

In any case, it's as much as we could have hoped for. Definitely advantage Ayuso if his shape is halfway decent, though.

 

[Samamba]

It really isn't a hard MTF, could easily have a couple of riders sprinting it out. So the TT could definitely decide things.

In any case, it's as much as we could have hoped for. Definitely advantage Ayuso if his shape is halfway decent, though.

Yeah but I mean no climby sprinter of TTer will probably really survive I guess? 5km isn't enough to make a big difference. I don't mind the climbers battling it out and if there's no difference the TT decides. It's not like the original parcours where good climbers could really distance eachother.

At least it will make it so that Bahrain for example needs to make it really hard cause that TT isn't gonna suit their riders I think.