Vuelta a España - Stage 14 Burgos - Peña Cabarga 178km

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Arnout

Arnout

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Poor Igor, gotta feel bad for him. He seemed to take it well...was he a bit concussed?

Maybe he reads Montaigne: expect the worst and don't be disappointed when it happens.

He's a bad bike handler? Oh dear, I guess that makes him less of a man, huh?

He's not a bad bike rider when he manages to stay upright, though. That's why he's a pro.

All bike riders crash, all bike riders have scars. Falling off a bike is as easy as falling off a bike.
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Anton crashes more than many others. Crashed three times in the first week of the Tour 2009. Simply cannot cope with a nervous peloton.
 
hrotha

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or have very bad bike handling skills?
Anton himself caused the crash today, hitting his team mates wheel, lucky for the other riders it was a very wide road but he still took many down with him...
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Then he's unlucky in that his tragically flawed sense of balance or whatever doesn't allow him to handle his bike as well as anyone else who's spent his whole life on a bike. :(
 
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Anton crashes more than many others. Crashed three times in the first week of the Tour 2009. Simply cannot cope with a nervous peloton.
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Yes, everyone has their flaws. Shakespeare wouldn't have had any material otherwise. It's always sad to see the leader crash out of a Grand Tour, a potential winner at that.
 
The Hitch

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Watching the stage again, nibali accelarates from everybody so easily. Did they all think "your killing" yourself and just let him go?
Then Nibali sprinted again when Rodriguez sprinted away. Before slowing down again. I think he wasted a lot more energy to get a 5 second gap (1 + 4 bonus) over Mosquera and lose time to Rodriguez.

In conclusion he was stronger than i expected and realised. If he gets a bit of a rest he could put time in on future stages.
 
Escarabajo

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Wait, people laughed at Antón before this Vuelta/season? Oh well. Actually, Antón was due for a big performance since he popped up in the scene in 2006. His 2008 season saw him finally delivering on his promise, until that crash. What can I say, some riders are genuinely unlucky.
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Same goes for Soler after that 2007 Tour. He can not keep himself upright. This is very weird. I wish there was a way to fix this.:(
 
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Watching the stage again, nibali accelarates from everybody so easily. Did they all think "your killing" yourself and just let him go?
Then Nibali sprinted again when Rodriguez sprinted away. Before slowing down again. I think he wasted a lot more energy to get a 5 second gap (1 + 4 bonus) over Mosquera and lose time to Rodriguez.

In conclusion he was stronger than i expected and realised. If he gets a bit of a rest he could put time in on future stages.
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Regarding Nibali and climbing, me may have the legs, but he definitely doesn't have the brains. He can limit losses but he may have a hard time in the 3 remaining MTFs.
 
The Hitch

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Regarding Nibali and climbing, me may have the legs, but he definitely doesn't have the brains. He can limit losses but he may have a hard time in the 3 remaining MTFs.
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But maybe the ds will be able to help him up the climb. You dont need to be einstein to learn - dont attack everyone with half the climb to go.
 
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Regarding Nibali and climbing, me may have the legs, but he definitely doesn't have the brains. He can limit losses but he may have a hard time in the 3 remaining MTFs.
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He needed to keep calm and wait when Rodriguez attacked when he was stuck on the inside of a hairpin at 10%, rather than try to react immediately, and kill his legs on the 25% gradient on the inside.
 
Escarabajo

Escarabajo

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Herman said:
Uran was on the grass and lost some speed.
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Are you sure?

I only saw Bruseghin in the grass, but I wasn't sure where Uran was. I definetly saw couple more Caisse D'epargne riders riding slowly after the group had gone by but I thought they were riders that had already dropped.
 
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Are you sure?

I only saw Bruseghin in the grass, but I wasn't sure where Uran was. I definetly saw couple more Caisse D'epargne riders riding slowly after the group had gone by but I thought they were riders that had already dropped.
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Both Urán and Bruseghin are in hospital checking for possible collarbone fractures according to last paragraph here

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2010/09/11/ciclismo/1284222825.html
 
neineinei

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mixing up the banners and catching ruts

If I understand the not too good Google translation of this El Pais article Nibali attacked in the wrong place because he mixed up the banner for the KOM and the finish.

Martinez also explains why Anton falls, but it becomes messed up in the translation, I can't make sense of "Igor had to catch a rut or a branch, let go of hands and fell, and I, who was on his wheel, I could not avoid it " Can someone translate: "Igor debió de pillar un bache o una rama, se soltó de manos y se cayó, y yo, que iba a su rueda, no pude esquivarlo"

He was getting a bar or a gel out of his pocket, lost control of his bike and fell, and Martinez ran into him?

According to the news report used in Norwegian news sites Anton was run down in an unexplainable way by his team mate Marzio Bruseghin. I guess they must have found an even better translator than I did.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/09/11/sport/sykkel/vuelta_a_espana/igor_anton/13355346/
 
The Hitch

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neineinei said:
" Can someone translate: "Igor debió de pillar un bache o una rama, se soltó de manos y se cayó, y yo, que iba a su rueda, no pude esquivarlo"
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Roughly - Igor must have caught a pothole or a branch, let go of his handlebars, fell down, and since i was on his wheel, I could not avoid it
 
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neineinei said:
If I understand the not too good Google translation of this El Pais article Nibali attacked in the wrong place because he mixed up the banner for the KOM and the finish.

Martinez also explains why Anton falls, but it becomes messed up in the translation, I can't make sense of "Igor had to catch a rut or a branch, let go of hands and fell, and I, who was on his wheel, I could not avoid it " Can someone translate: "Igor debió de pillar un bache o una rama, se soltó de manos y se cayó, y yo, que iba a su rueda, no pude esquivarlo"

He was getting a bar or a gel out of his pocket, lost control of his bike and fell, and Martinez ran into him?

According to the news report used in Norwegian news sites Anton was run down in an unexplainable way by his team mate Marzio Bruseghin. I guess they must have found an even better translator than I did.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/09/11/sport/sykkel/vuelta_a_espana/igor_anton/13355346/
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"Anton was run down... by his team mate Marzio Bruseghin"? :confused:
 
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If I understand the not too good Google translation of this El Pais article Nibali attacked in the wrong place because he mixed up the banner for the KOM and the finish.

Martinez also explains why Anton falls, but it becomes messed up in the translation, I can't make sense of "Igor had to catch a rut or a branch, let go of hands and fell, and I, who was on his wheel, I could not avoid it " Can someone translate: "Igor debió de pillar un bache o una rama, se soltó de manos y se cayó, y yo, que iba a su rueda, no pude esquivarlo"

He was getting a bar or a gel out of his pocket, lost control of his bike and fell, and Martinez ran into him?

According to the news report used in Norwegian news sites Anton was run down in an unexplainable way by his team mate Marzio Bruseghin. I guess they must have found an even better translator than I did.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/09/11/sport/sykkel/vuelta_a_espana/igor_anton/13355346/
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Nibali has attacked with 1.4 km to go but he mistook the KOM banner by the finish and run out of gas.

Igor probably rode over a pothole or a branch on the road and lost control.
Egoy Martinez and Bruseghin were behind him and could not avoid the crash.

Video of the crash at sec 0:06

http://www.rtve.es/deportes/20100911/353414.shtml
 
Michele

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Can anyone tell me what happened to Rodriguez's eye?
Bite by a bug or something?

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neineinei

neineinei

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icefire said:
Nibali has attacked with 1.4 km to go but he mistook the KOM banner by the finish and run out of gas.

Igor probably rode over a pothole or a branch on the road and lost control.
Egoy Martinez and Bruseghin were behind him and could not avoid the crash.

Video of the crash at sec 0:06

http://www.rtve.es/deportes/20100911/353414.shtml
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ah, the "pocket" was a pothole in the road. I imagined Anton trying to find a snack in his pocket racing at 65 km/h.

Thanks.
 
Dekker_Tifosi

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Christomir said:
Yeah, indeed it was a pretty good point - whoever wins this Vuelta will have been helped by Anton dropping out. Boy, you really must hate Nibali. :) But when he wins it all, I hope you'll give him credit for being good enought at everything (even if he's not the best at anything). Will you?

As for Fränk - you forget that he is actually short of race fitness and he should get better and better with every stage. I'm still not confident he will be able to make the podium, cause those consecutive MTFs might have come a little bit too early for him (would have preferred them in the third week)... But at least he will try and can surprise you. ;) So don't hate on him either. :p
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Why would I give him credit for being good at everything when he's just lucky his worst opponents drop out? No way dude.
 
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