Vuelta a España 2019 stage 19: Ávila - Toledo > 165.2 km

[Valv.Piti]

Didn't he get caught out for putting on rain cape during descent early in his career?

In the Vuelta 2008, yes. *** up at the Vuelta 2006 as well.

But what I am referring to is the Vuelta 2012 where he lost 1 min due to a mech and TdF 2013 where he lost 10 minutes in the crosswinds after a mech. No mercy those times.

 

[carton]

MAL calling Movistar idiots and saying "What a World Champion we have"

At the risk of deflating a fun polemica: what he was saying was that they play dumb ("se hacen los estupidos"). And when he said what a world champion we have he meant it, what he said was feeling "angry at these silly actions by the team with the world champion, and what a famous world champion we have."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1172542549074034690

View: https://twitter.com/Diego_JVG/status/1172542549074034690

 

[Lequack]

Roglic meeting Federico Bahamontes (winner of 1959 Tour de France), whose statue was at the finish.

Federico Bahamontes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Well I guess you could argue that there is that 3x World Champion racing on his own team, Peter something?

You could, but Sagan is not quite a top tier flat big bunch sprinter. Obviously he’s a top tier uphill and hard course sprinter (and of course a top tier classics rider and great at various other things).

 

[movingtarget]

Great win by Cavagna. Didn't think he was going to last. A few hearts in mouths re the crash.

 

[andrew_s]

If there is a gap of one second or more between Valverde's back wheel and Van Der Sande's front wheel, the counting time gap is from Bennett's front wheel to that of Van Der Sande.

It's 3 seconds now, not one (or can be)
https://inrng.com/2018/06/three-second-rule/

The gap between Valverde's back wheel and van der Sande's front wheel was less than 3 sec, so everyone gets Bennett's 5 sec gap to Cavagna.

 

[RedheadDane]

So... I just noticed that according to PCS Richeze did in fact finish the stage. I'm guessing the biggest delay for him might even have been getting new shorts, coz… he was hardly wearing any after the crash.

 

[tobydawq]

It's 3 seconds now, not one
https://inrng.com/2018/06/three-second-rule/

The gap between Valverde's back wheel and van der Sande's front wheel was less than 3 sec, so everyone gets Bennett's 5 sec gap to Cavagna.

No, no, no. That only applied in last year's Tour, and of course only on flat stages.

 

[ice&fire]

Bit of a stupid outburst by Lopez

1. Whatever you think about Valverde he is much liked in the peloton
2. Wait to see what happened before shouting your mouth off
3. Soler said the DS told them where to ride before the crash started
4. Valverde seemed to call a halt to the attack
5. Watch Movistar v Astana now ...forget Red

How ironic that he rides for the team who attacked the 2015 Giro leader after a flat tire.

 

[topcat]

How does this unwritten rule work? If a gc rider (not a lowly stage hunter) gets delayed by a crash, they're supposed to suspend all attacks till he catches up. Which today, means effectively neutralising the gc for the stage. This should be for the race organisers. Otherwise riders should attack left, right and centre. We need more attacks not less. So many women, too little time.

 

[RedheadDane]

How does this unwritten rule work? If a gc rider (not a lowly stage hunter) gets delayed by a crash, they're supposed to suspend all attacks till he catches up. Which today, means effectively neutralising the gc for the stage. This should be for the race organisers. Otherwise riders should attack left, right and centre. We need more attacks not less. So many women, too little time.

Don't attack because someone crashed, but if you'd already started your attack then go ahead.
If there is a mass pileup, wait a few seconds to see if everyone is okay.

 

[topcat]

Don't attack because someone crashed, but if you'd already started your attack then go ahead.
If there is a mass pileup, wait a few seconds to see if everyone is okay.

It's a grey area. Movistar planned to attack where they did, it was just a bonus for them that there was a crash. I don't care who wins. I just want to see Roglic earn it.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I will say this, Movistar are coherent when it comes to things like this, live by the sword, die by the sword.
MAL should try to crash less, the guy is the reason why Astana is only on the attack when the rode goes uphill, at least gc wise.

 

[Lequack]

Another angle of the crash

https://twitter.com/x/status/1172572876895129602

View: https://twitter.com/RenaudB31/status/1172572876895129602

 

[Escarabajo]

Movistar vs. Astana tomorrow!
Superman going to a fist fight or cycling race?
LOL. He is really a hot head this one. Remember how he got his nickname.

 

[roundabout]

No, no, no. That only applied in last year's Tour, and of course only on flat stages.

See provision 6 on page 3

https://www.uci.org/docs/default-so...int-massif-09.05.2019-e.pdf?sfvrsn=f3dc3cfe_4

And see article 8 in the regulations

https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_vue/ve19-reglamento-en.pdf

So, yes, 3 seconds applies here

 

[Escarabajo]

3 seconds applies here of course. They have equal time for everyone in that front group.

 

[Lequack]

Tony Martin already out of hospital thankfully

 

[roundabout]

How ironic that he rides for the team who attacked the 2015 Giro leader after a flat tire.

I can play the whatabout game too

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ss-Railways-gives-the-breakaway-a-chance.aspx

Just a few kilometres later though, as the peloton arrived at the town of Murten, it was delayed as a railway crossing closed. The entire Movistar team - along with race leader Costa - and most of Orica-GreenEdge had passed through before the barriers came down, but most of the peloton was forced to stop.

By the time the train had passed, and the majority of riders were able to get started again, more than two minutes had elapsed and neither Movistar or Orica-GreenEdge was hanging around.

The yellow jersey group was now within 6’40” of the three leaders, with just 50km to go, but the race commissaire - deciding that the riders had disobeyed the lights on the railway crossing, as well as the waved instructions of a moto marshall - that they had unlawfully crossed the railway crossing and should slow down and wait for the rest.

 

[hrotha]

Might not be in the rules but definitely mostly right that so many riders should not be punished for getting caught up in an incident. Total *** move for Movistar to drive the pace when they were not one of the teams on the front of the peloton prior to the crash.

It's definitely not right that the rules are waived for sentimental reasons, because who decides this kind of stuff? Legal *** moves are fair, and certainly it's not the race judges' job to prevent them or nullify them.

 

[tobydawq]

See provision 6 on page 3

https://www.uci.org/docs/default-so...int-massif-09.05.2019-e.pdf?sfvrsn=f3dc3cfe_4

And see article 8 in the regulations

https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_vue/ve19-reglamento-en.pdf

So, yes, 3 seconds applies here

Ok, thanks, I didn't know that.

I think it's outright scandalous to apply that rule in a finale like today's and completely against the spirit of cycling.

But it certainly explains why the gap was nullified.

 

[Oldermanish]

Don't attack because someone crashed, but if you'd already started your attack then go ahead.
If there is a mass pileup, wait a few seconds to see if everyone is okay.

Years of amateur one day races should deeply reinforce this sort of truce. As an attacking pro off the front with separation from an opponent; that's game on and no reason to slow down.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

If the 3 second rule is in effect for this race on "expected mass sprint arrival" stages, then I'm a bit confused as to how Gilbert managed to win stage 17 by 2 seconds

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Ok, thanks, I didn't know that.

I think it's outright scandalous to apply that rule in a finale like today's and completely against the spirit of cycling.

But it certainly explains why the gap was nullified.

I agree. It never even occurred to me that they could be treating this kind of finish as a flat bunch sprint. Punchy guys should be able to take a couple of seconds here and there on short explosive finishes. That’s part of their skill set that other riders lack. Also Eyeballs Out has a good point about stage 17. How can there be a two second gap awarded if there has to be three seconds for a gap to count?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

It's definitely not right that the rules are waived for sentimental reasons, because who decides this kind of stuff? Legal *** moves are fair, and certainly it's not the race judges' job to prevent them or nullify them.

Yes. Unwritten codes of behaviour are enforced by social opprobrium and pay back in situations where the miscreant themselves hopes to benefit from the unwritten code. That’s quite different to actually changing how the official rules work so as to enforce the unwritten code. Riders should be free to break unwritten codes, understanding that doing so will bring social consequences.