Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2020: Stage 13 (Muros > Mirador de Ézaro 33.7 km ITT)

[jmdirt]

OHHH Will!

Nice ride PR!

 

[Leinster]

Movistar (Lastras) explained they changed the bike after the change zone because the zone was on the start of the climb and at that point you arrived with speed from the flat part. So that way they thought was better to use that impulse and change after the zone.
They said is perfectly legal.

Yeah, the pitstop setup was clearly for having a bike already there and waiting, whereas the usual off-the-car change was obviously still an option.


I still say it's possible to get a rider into his optimal TT position on a bike that weighs 6.9kgs, and also offers an upright climbing position.

 

[SafeBet]

Mirador de Ezaro (via ammattipyöräily)

Roglic 7:20, 14.73 Kph, VAM 2152 m/h
E.Mas 7:23, 14.63 Kph, VAM 2137 m/h
Barta 7:28, 14.46 Kph, VAM 2113 m/h
Carthy 7:29, 14.43 Kph, VAM 2109 m/h
Carapaz 7:48, 13.85 Kph, VAM 2023 m/h

Apparently Dan Martin was even faster than Roglic on the climb alone.

 

[Leinster]

Well, the final climb Saturday is clearly not a monster and probably doesn't deserve the category especial Unipublic is giving it. But a decent 1st category it is. And already produced some decent racing (not always, especially when covatilla is in the beginning of the Vuelta). On a first glance the stage is not to hard neither. But it's the whole day up and down. And it's the end of a grand tour, even Sestiere easy side produced some gaps And with the 3th and 2nd category just before the final climb, if they race those climb as it is one big final climb and they reduced the peloton before the last 7 steep kilometers till an elite group, 30 seconds is not impossible.

Furthermore, especially Thursday (very long) and Friday (well, not that difficult) maybe the teams from Movistar, EF and Ineos can try to split the field. You never know. Last year Roglic missed an echolon in the final week as well.

But, sure Roglic is in a very good position for now.

Thursday is the one that looks most potentially ambushy to me. It climbs 1,000m in uppy-downy style from km140 to km210. The categorised climbs along the way don't look very steep, but there's mostly grind with not so much let-up. You can see TJV drilling it and giving nobody any hope, but if Roglic is in any way having an off-day...

 

[Koronin]

Obviously Mas really needs to work on his TTing. That was bad. Valverde's was horrible. Soler's was about average for him. Nice to see Oliveira get a top 3 on the stage.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

La Covatilla would need to produce bigger gaps than the Angliru, against a very, very strong defensive team.

Actually it could. After years of watching cycling I tend to think that biggest time gaps are created on 8-10% climbs, not on those leg-breaking 15% sections. Still, Roglic would need to have a worse day, he's too good to lose a minute anywhere.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Haven't read this thread, but nice result for Roglic, though even better for Carapaz; super surprised that he finished that close. Didn't know that Carthy could do that either.

 

[Lequack]

21 Big Photos from Stage 13 — aso/corvos/bettini
http://www.steephill.tv/2020/vuelta-a-espana/photos/stage-13/

 

[roundabout]

Actually it could. After years of watching cycling I tend to think that biggest time gaps are created on 8-10% climbs, not on those leg-breaking 15% sections. Still, Roglic would need to have a worse day, he's too good to lose a minute anywhere.

The steepest part is at the bottom so most of Jumbo superteam would be intact.

If it somehow breaks apart within 1km of the steep part like in 2004 when all the helpers were gone, then it's a whole different story.

But that's not very likely.

 

[Red Rick]

Actually it could. After years of watching cycling I tend to think that biggest time gaps are created on 8-10% climbs, not on those leg-breaking 15% sections. Still, Roglic would need to have a worse day, he's too good to lose a minute anywhere.

Biggest gaps happen when the peloton is completely torn to shreds on the first slopes of the climb before they even hit the middle. It's not that super steep sections are less effective in generating gaps, they just make people pace their efforts better, or they make people wait for the final. Maybe Carthy could've won much more time if he hadn't literally waited untnil the very last ramp to take off on the Angliru.

As for La Covatilla, the train should be intact when they hit the steep section, and it's only hard for like 3.5km. So not that long at all, and EF and Ineos don't have the super strong team to completely shatter the peloton that quickly there.

 

[Gargamel35]

Biggest gaps happen when the peloton is completely torn to shreds on the first slopes of the climb before they even hit the middle. It's not that super steep sections are less effective in generating gaps, they just make people pace their efforts better, or they make people wait for the final. Maybe Carthy could've won much more time if he hadn't literally waited untnil the very last ramp to take off on the Angliru.

As for La Covatilla, the train should be intact when they hit the steep section, and it's only hard for like 3.5km. So not that long at all, and EF and Ineos don't have the super strong team to completely shatter the peloton that quickly there.

And Roglič is the best climber in this Vuelta.

 

[Oldermanish]

Mirador de Ezaro (via ammattipyöräily)

Roglic 7:20, 14.73 Kph, VAM 2152 m/h
E.Mas 7:23, 14.63 Kph, VAM 2137 m/h
Barta 7:28, 14.46 Kph, VAM 2113 m/h
Carthy 7:29, 14.43 Kph, VAM 2109 m/h
Carapaz 7:48, 13.85 Kph, VAM 2023 m/h

Apparently Dan Martin was even faster than Roglic on the climb alone.

Which is amazing considering how he looked to be wrestling his bike on the flats (and losing). Very active, demonstrative riding style.

 

[johnymax]

What about those times? A little different.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323690674219294720

View: https://twitter.com/AG2RLMCyclisme/status/1323690674219294720?s=20

 

[Gargamel35]

Roglič said after the race for Slovenian press that he felt very strong and had good legs. He wasn't very confident going into the TT that he could fight for the win.

But everything went ok and he was able to push hard.

 

[klintE]

Now imagine that third week is similar to Giro'20 third week...
See you next year folks

 

[Tonton]

What about those times? A little different.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1323690674219294720

View: https://twitter.com/AG2RLMCyclisme/status/1323690674219294720?s=20

Good time for Gaudu, 5th...

In the grand scheme of things, Rog wasn't in a great day on Angliru, his foes didn't attack until 3 kilometers to go...wasted opportunity. Carapaz and Carthy may have regrets when it's all said and done.

John Lennon died on this day 40 years ago and I will quote him: you may say I'm a dreamer, but I can imagine the final mountain stage being a bigger fight than you think. La Covatilla is tough, and yes it flattens with 3.5 to go, but look at Prat d'Albis in the '19 Tour.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Gaps were really Close for a non technical 45 min + effort. So many people within 1 or 2 minutes. Quite suprising.

 

[ice&fire]

Yeah, the pitstop setup was clearly for having a bike already there and waiting, whereas the usual off-the-car change was obviously still an option.


I still say it's possible to get a rider into his optimal TT position on a bike that weighs 6.9kgs, and also offers an upright climbing position.

Disc wheels have aero advantage in the flat and extra rotating mass for the climb.

 

[bajbar]

Gaps were really Close for a non technical 45 min + effort. So many people within 1 or 2 minutes. Quite suprising.

Lately, rolling TTs with 3-4% ramps produce much bigger gaps thah flat straight TTs like todays first 31km were. This year Tour TT, Giro TT, last years Vuelta and second Giro TT had some really big gaps. Today the final climb produced almost bigger gaps then the whole flat part before it among the top contenders. And it never works the way a lot of people think that rolling TTs are better for the climbers. Quite the contrary. Today Carapaz only lost 20 seconds on the flat part to Roglič. If it was a rolling 30km with corners, accelerations and so on, the gap would be more like 1:30.

 

[Red Rick]

Lately, rolling TTs with 3-4% ramps produce much bigger gaps thah flat straight TTs like todays first 31km were. This year Tour TT, Giro TT, last years Vuelta and second Giro TT had some really big gaps. Today the final climb produced almost bigger gaps then the whole flat part before it among the top contenders. And it never works the way a lot of people think that rolling TTs are better for the climbers. Quite the contrary. Today Carapaz only lost 20 seconds on the flat part to Roglič. If it was a rolling 30km with corners, accelerations and so on, the gap would be more like 1:30.

I think it's also the eveness in form. The supposed top ITTer among the guys slightly inderperforming, and the main GC guys being such a small group you don't really notice the negative outliers among the lesser GC guys.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Lately, rolling TTs with 3-4% ramps produce much bigger gaps thah flat straight TTs like todays first 31km were. This year Tour TT, Giro TT, last years Vuelta and second Giro TT had some really big gaps. Today the final climb produced almost bigger gaps then the whole flat part before it among the top contenders. And it never works the way a lot of people think that rolling TTs are better for the climbers. Quite the contrary. Today Carapaz only lost 20 seconds on the flat part to Roglič. If it was a rolling 30km with corners, accelerations and so on, the gap would be more like 1:30.

Yeah, your Observation was totally true. However, what could bei the reason behond this. Why are flat Sectio s Not srparating anymore?

 

[hayneplane]

Probably the best major time trial of Dan Martins entire career. Keeps his podium ambitions alive.

Glad for Roglic as I want him to win this Vuelta but a real shame for Will Barta as this would have been by far the biggest victory of his life.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

In case in comes down to thousandths:
Carthy is ahead of Roglic, is ahead of Martin, is ahead of Carapaz, is ahead of Mas.

 

[Leinster]

In case in comes down to thousandths:
Carthy is ahead of Roglic, is ahead of Martin, is ahead of Carapaz, is ahead of Mas.

It's such an utterly random way of tie-breaking. Didn't they used to go to points jersey standing before?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

It's such an utterly random way of tie-breaking. Didn't they used to go to points jersey standing before?

It is a timed race: these are times. Carthy was .37 seconds away from being on a time 1 second less; Roglic would have had to have been .48 seconds quicker for the same benefit.

But it is exceedingly unlikely to be brought into effect. Someone will be along, no doubt, to say what the biggest result (rather than simply determining skinsuit colour in a timetrial) that has been thus determined has been.

When there is no TT (or, I suppose, if fractions of a TT second are the same) then it is total of finishing places, not Green Jersey points (so the difference between 30th and 80th in a large bunch finish is potentially very relevant.)