I thought you would run him over.
He doesn't deserve to die. Just doesn't deserve any respect and sure as heck doesn't deserve "my rider" do any work if he won't.
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I thought you would run him over.
I thought you would run him over.
He doesn't deserve to die. Just doesn't deserve any respect and sure as heck doesn't deserve "my rider" do any work if he won't.
Naesen must be lucky they didn't catch Van der Poel on the queen stage of BinckBank Tour, otherwise nobody would ever work with him again!Am I the only one who is suddenly reminded of stage 5 of the 2018 Paris-Nice? Cousin away with Politt, Cousin refused to work, in the end attacked and won. I don't seem to have noticed any indication that Cousin is super unpopular with everyone in the peloton...
Naesen must be lucky they didn't catch Van der Poel on the queen stage of BinckBank Tour, otherwise nobody would ever work with him again!
Johnny Hoogerland wasn't doing any work in that TdF stage, and the organizers just banged him out of the race with a car, there is a risk in what Woods is doing, I think from now on he should be looking over his shoulder in the peloton!And probably a million other examples.
Johnny Hoogerland wasn't doing any work in that TdF stage, and the organizers just banged him out of the race with a car, there is a risk in what Woods is doing, I think from now on he should be looking over his shoulder in the peloton!
And when that plan didn't work - because Johnny just blatantly refused to give up - they quickly gave him (and Flecha, the innocent guy who got caught in the middle) the red number after the stage, just so it wouldn't be too obvious what they'd been trying.
Nobody attacked on the final climb in the GC group? Hardly Roglic' fault.
And seriously the only day Roglic should've attacked in hindsight was Plateau de Glieres which was a tricky descent finish and 25 solo when the race was already in the bag barring an act of Vino. Maybe Marie Blanque but riders get incentivized not to because frigging bonus seconds. Peyresourde he got Poglstomped, same for Grand Colobmier. Dropped Poggers on Col de La Loze, did most of the work on Puy Marie. I
In my opinion Roglic gets a lot of backfitted criticism for riding boring while obviously the strongest in Tour de l'Ain and Dauphine than in the Tour, where the teams tactics were basically solid apart from one mountain stage.
Froome, in all his years of GT wins has barely made any attacks without simply having the goods, when the race was looong in the bag, or when forced to by circumstances. I remember like one dig on Col d'Izoard in 2017 but that's about it. Put peak Froome against Poggers or like 2009 Contador and see how aggressive he is.
100% because he had no other option.I don't know why I periodically Quixotically tilt at this assessment, but you don't know you have the goods unless you attack. We know Froome had the goods because he attacked. Before he attacked, no one knew. By the way, Froome attacked in the 2011 Vuelta and 2012 Tour that he didn't win on the road, and he attacked in the 2014 Vuelta only to get Contastomped, to use your lingo. I guess in your assessment, that gets covered by "forced to by circumstances?"
For all we know Ineos told guys like Sosa to just knock it off and chill today too.
Man, Sepp looks so easy climbing with Peters like he is out for a Sunday group ride...
Valverde gained 54 secs on leaders— is that your definition of “barely won some”?Great win by Woods. Well deserved. Gutsy: He took the chance of attacking in the uphill and rode alone for around 10K. And Smart: He covered the attacks and counter at the end. All while defending his teammate in the GC.
BTW, I think Valverde made a huge mistake attacking the breakaway with more than 50Kms to go. If I were in such position, it would have been better to rally Bennett, Elizonde, G. Martin (Nieve was alone) and get all teammates to work until the bottom of the last climb. That would have finished Ineos and put some strain on ICA and EF.
Instead, they barely won some seconds
Valverde gained 54 secs on leaders— is that your definition of “barely won some”?
Well I just assumed Valverde was riding in part for his own gc position so I thought Mas attacking would have been a shot in their own foot. If Valverde was really there for Mas, then sure, I'll criticize him as well.TJV never rode today for Roglic to attack, it was clear for me during the stage the way Bennett and Kuss treated the stage. Kuss confirmed after the stage was ended that their intention was to gain time for Bennett.
Lots of headwind today, nobody from GC would've attacked given Amador's pace. At some point there was an attack when Ineos suddenly disappeared from the front and TJV was the front for a bit. We don't know what happened because today the cameras director was off.
But as always it has to be Roglic's fault. When no GC rider attacks it has to be Roglic who is to blame. This happened during TdF as well. Mas also had people in the front, even higher gap than Rog and no TT advantage for him to come.
He clearly needs to attack if he wants to win but I'm not gonna complain about it or starting to like Mas less. Valverde said at the end “I was up there in a possible support role, too, to see if any of my teammates [Mas and Soler] bridged across from the main group.”
Great win by Woods. Well deserved. Gutsy: He took the chance of attacking in the uphill and rode alone for around 10K. And Smart: He covered the attacks and counter at the end. All while defending his teammate in the GC.
BTW, I think Valverde made a huge mistake attacking the breakaway with more than 50Kms to go. If I were in such position, it would have been better to rally Bennett, Elizonde, G. Martin (Nieve was alone) and get all teammates to work until the bottom of the last climb. That would have finished Ineos and put some strain on ICA and EF.
Instead, they barely won some seconds
Just a very bad day. Hope he can come back stronger in 2021, and build on this year's early season form.Mareczko penultimate, one of only 2 riders to finish behim the Froometto and inside the team limit.
Moschetti OLT, what happened to him?
I remember that one with Pollitt and Cousin, and I can tell you that was so blatant that spanish comentator Carlos de Andrés has mentioned more than once since then sometimes when Pollitt is on the spotlight.
About Woods, the truth is the guy is not a wheelsucker and even today wasnt a wheelsucker. More than that, the guy attacked, worked hard on the climb and close many attacks until the end. And I even say the man is a very attacking rider.
And Id add that when Valverde won Worlds, Woods did ALL the work on the last superhard climb, with Valverde all the way at his wheel.
Valverde gained 54 secs on leaders— is that your definition of “barely won some”?
Well I just assumed Valverde was riding in part for his own gc position so I thought Mas attacking would have been a shot in their own foot. If Valverde was really there for Mas, then sure, I'll criticize him as well.
Concerning Amador's pace though, it really didn't look that high and besides, you who could beat a single one domestique in a train battle? The two JV domestiques who were up front.
Anyway, don't want to claim not attacking today was a historically huge mistake or anything, it's just that I'm starting to think the attacks have to come at one point and I'm having my doubts there will ever be a better opportunity than today.
Woods was the fastest to the line. There was no bad luck for any other rider. He simply outsmarted them. He deserved the win.No it wasn't. It was disgusting and totally undeserved. Woods is now a full blown wheel sucker, lost his reputation in the peloton and made enemies.
Woods was the fastest to the line. There was no bad luck for any other rider. He simply outsmarted them. He deserved the win.
The person who does the most work doesn't necessarily deserve the win
Then why did you expect him to work?If he had worked he obviously would have lost.
Why would he work if that meant he would lose? It would have zero benefit.Because he REFUSED to work. If he had worked he obviously would have lost. He did NOT deserve the win. He did NO WORK AT ALL. Then came up with a BS excuse that no one believes. He earned the reputation today as a wheel sucker that can't win if he does any work.