Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2022, stage 16: Sanlúcar de Barrameda - Tomares, 189.4k

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

The hatred for guys like Remco and Mas and the (although I like him) over the top fandom for Roglic has given this Vuelta a proper toxic atmosphere here and on other online spheres.
I do enjoy some trolling and GTs will always have heated discussions but this is reaching some proper bizarre levels.
Why would Remco fake a puncture on a ridiculously easy finish? If a gap is created by puncheurs/sprinters with GC guys like Roglic he won't be given the first time anway but always the time of the peleton (as it happened here, Roglic gained 8s on him, correct decision btw.), so what exactly would he gain? Not risking getting dropped by the whole peleton? If that is his worry he might as well just pack his bags.
If anything, Roglic can be happy that we had the 3km rule here otherwise he'd lose time on everyone after crashing.

Edit: When the same happened to Hindley in the Giro no one gave a ***.

 

[roundabout]

43.3 km/h average speed for the last 3 (seemingly the same) km in 2017.

I do get that it's a bit subjective in what group to put riders (who had crashes or punctures) if the field splits up as it can also be a matter of positioning in addition to strength, but the current system is the most fair away I can think of.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Well, after the last 4 pages in this topic, i'm ready to be reinstated as the voice of reason on the forum.

Sorry mate but I am already at the top

Loool what is this, I'm far from an Evenepoel fan but seriously why on earth would he fake a mechanical? As if he wouldn't be able to follow a 40 man group a little hill. This is ridiculous.

Remco is the baddie and Roglic is the superhero in the main storyline of this vuelta. Just as Remco pulling on Sierra Nevada was a bad tactic, and Roglic not attacking Remco was a genius tactics because he has bad legs.

People need someone to boo and someone to cheer.

 

[kingjr]

The hatred for guys like Remco and Mas and the (although I like him) over the top fandom for Roglic has given this Vuelta a proper toxic atmosphere here and on other online spheres.
I do enjoy some trolling and GTs will always have heated discussions but this is reaching some proper bizarre levels.
Why would Remco fake a puncture on a ridiculously easy finish? If a gap is created by puncheurs/sprinters with GC guys like Roglic he won't be given the first time anway but always the time of the peleton (as it happened here, Roglic gained 8s on him, correct decision btw.), so what exactly would he gain? Not risking getting dropped by the whole peleton? If that is his worry he might as well just pack his bags.
If anything, Roglic can be happy that we had the 3km rule here otherwise he'd lose time on everyone after crashing.

Edit: When the same happened to Hindley in the Giro no one gave a ***.

There are other places where Roglic is disliked to an irrational degree... it's just sports fans being who they are, as sad as it is.

 

[Volderke]

If Evnepoel hadn't got the same time as the first big group, then Roglic shouldn't have got the same time as the Top 5 either.

The 3K rule states that you get the SAME time of the group you were in, in case of a crash or mechanical.
So Roglic should ofcourse get the same time as the top 5. Roglic could have gotten treatment for 15-20 minutes just before the finish, he would still get those 8 seconds.

 

[red_flanders]

Is there evidence that he didn't have a puncture? If yes, let's see it. If not...

...that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

I dont understand that 3km rule

Surely Roglic was more than 8 seconds ahead when Remco had is very convenient puncture.....cycling rules make no sense

Looks though Roglic is very badly knocked up and wont contest the win

what i understood is that there is always the 3km rule for mechanical AND the 3km rule for crashes in tages defined as sprints..

 

[303pbmf]

I think Remco paid Wright to bump into Roglic, typical!

 

[saunaking]

You really don't see the rear wheel puncture?

It's quite clear to me even when he is standing next to it and there is not even any weight on the bike.

I didnt see it on GCN, but i can see it in the twitter video from the fan a few posts back

 

[Bonimenier]

I think Remco paid Wright to bump into Roglic, typical!

It was actually Colbrelli in disguise

 

[noob]

If you're crushing on Rogla and you don't want to remember today's humiliation it's a nice deviation to think about 3 km rule and conspiracy theories. Humans are humans are humans.

Peace love and sadness

 

[saunaking]

There is a video of the bike change on the previous page

just saw it, good thing too because I could not see the flat in the gcn coverage so nice to get this new video
I did NOT think remco was faking, just didnt see the flat originally

 

[Devil's Elbow]

The hatred for guys like Remco and Mas and the (although I like him) over the top fandom for Roglic has given this Vuelta a proper toxic atmosphere here and on other online spheres.

Over the top fandom for Roglic? On here? Do you only read Abi's posts?

 

[RedheadDane]

Length of this thread: 11 pages and counting.
Number of pages before stage finished: three!

 

[Extinction]

honestly, it would definitely go through my mind if I was a GC rider. i don't think there's really any way to prove he didn't have a puncture either, there's almost no way to get caught.

I don't buy it. And why would he have done so? To avoid losing 8 secs. No way.

 

[HelloDolly]

I think Remco paid Wright to bump into Roglic, typical!

Well since Roglic crossed the road to bump into Wright leg looks like he paid the wrong man

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Over the top fandom for Roglic? On here? Do you only read Abi's posts?

Yes.Yes.No.

 

[303pbmf]

Well since Roglic crossed the road to bump into Wright leg looks like he paid the wrong man

Roglic gonna Roglic

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Didn't wiggins crash on purpose inside the 3K one time?

The year he won the Tour there was a somewhat dubious "crash" (i.e. ride into a crashed rider at walking pace and unclip) at the bottom of a ramp finish in the first week. Although to be fair Wiggins wasn't the best at steering

 

[ice&fire]

Uphill finish why is there a 3km rule

"Flat" has a different meaning South of the Pyrenees

 

[Ranagazoo]

I know it's the rules but it's annoying to see Remco soft peddling up the hill 3 minutes after everyone else who had to race hard for the last few km to be in the group at 8 seconds. There should be like a 1 minute allowance for giving time back after punctures.

 

[Volderke]

Why would Remco fake a puncture on a ridiculously easy finish? If a gap is created by puncheurs/sprinters with GC guys like Roglic he won't be given the first time anway but always the time of the peleton (as it happened here, Roglic gained 8s on him, correct decision btw.), so what exactly would he gain? Not risking getting dropped by the whole peleton? If that is his worry he might as well just pack his bags.
If anything, Roglic can be happy that we had the 3km rule here otherwise he'd lose time on everyone after crashing.

This. Evenepoel already reacted to people suggesting he faked his flat. He said he would never do so and, having good legs, was even planning to ride the last couple of K's hard and try to get a top 10 or better on the stage.
If anything, his flat resulted in less chasing behind the top 5, as a good Remco would for sure have pulled the chasing group until the end.

 

[YavorD]

Yeah, I mean, Roglic is very likely out. Let's forget about the 3km rule and give the win to Mas...

On a serious note

Sorry mate but I am already at the top

Remco is the baddie and Roglic is the superhero in the main storyline of this vuelta. Just as Remco pulling on Sierra Nevada was a bad tactic, and Roglic not attacking Remco was a genius tactics because he has bad legs.

People need someone to boo and someone to cheer.

Wait, do you support Belgian Spilak now?

 

[rallybanana]

Deep into page two with 15km left

Deep into page 11 one hour after the finish

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Over the top fandom for Roglic? On here? Do you only read Abi's posts?

CyclistAbi actually votes for Primoz Roglic in national political elections