Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 17: Ribadesella/Ribadeseya - Altu de l’Angliru, 124.4k

[DJ Sprtsch]

Has Soler finished yet?

 

[Poursuivant]

Why on earth was Roglic riding so fast?

Because he wanted to drop Kuss and Vingegaard

 

[GroupDK]

Utter disgrace to the sport.

you have one crocked view on "sport"

 

[Ilmaestro99]

So, you are saying Roglič deserves the overall victory the most? The unbiased world of cycling agrees with you...

Maybe Mattia Cattaneo should have been leader instead of remco?. Mattia has a great form and remco is nowhere on gc

 

[Red Rick]

I mean obviously this is brilliant for the intrigue. But from the JV perspective I cannot understand this

Basic man managment to let your leaders race to keep them happy.

 

[perico]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701976490064134650

View: https://twitter.com/JumboVismaRoad/status/1701976490064134650

LOL Almost as awkward as Nairo, Landa, and Valverde doing that video at the TDF.

 

[Volderke]

Meh it's just all a bit weird. If Kuss wins it will still feel like it was a gift. You can't convince me Vingegaard couldn't have gone 10s faster today he looked very easy the whole way.

If anything, Vingegaard was, today, not pushing for it, but he was probably very happy Roglic did the work and he couldn't be blamed.
But the other day on the Tourmalet, maybe Kuss could have lost less time if he immediately followed Vingegaard, and yesterday, Kuss stayed in the group until the pace went up a bit too hard but by that time the group lost more time than necessary to Vingegaard, so I would say that Kuss also rode some stages gifting some time to Vingegaard by protecting Vingegaard's attacks. Not as much as the other way around, but still.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Bobke Roll is pretty unhappy that Primoz rode for victory. He even suggested Sepptimus should consider changing teams. I know he loves Sepp because they both have strong ties to Durango, Colorado, but at the end of the day, Sepp has said he wants no gifts. He wants to be a true champion.

 

[madthebad]

Cycling has rarely been at such a low point since I've started watching back in '99, I think this it for me, lost all hope that this sport will get healthy eventually. What is the point of even watching this anymore? To hope a guy like Kuss get gifted a GT cause he's a nice guy?

 

[Sciatic]

The Long Kuss Goodbye.

 

[Volderke]

Because he wanted to drop Kuss and Vingegaard

The last 500 meters went downhill. Roglic was still riding like a madman.
So again, why did he go this hard? There could be a good reason but I just don't see it, at the moment.

 

[Potomac]

Bobke Roll is pretty unhappy that Primoz rode for victory. He even suggested Sepptimus should consider changing teams. I know he loves Sepp because they both have strong ties to Durango, Colorado, but at the end of the day, Sepp has said he wants no gifts. He wants to be a true champion.

Durango? Really? Who knew?

 

[Eeslliw]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701976490064134650

View: https://twitter.com/JumboVismaRoad/status/1701976490064134650

And Jumbo-Visma DS said they couldn't heard what Kuss said. What is true?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

If I was a Kuss fan I would be raging after what we’ve seen the last few days.

 

[dazaau]

If they let Kuss win what was the point of bringing Jonas? He has not been needed at all. Roglic alone would have won this vuelta (with the ocassional Mas help)

Not many were happy about Jonas coming. Seems to me he's the man they want to win the vuelta.

 

[Potomac]

Cycling has rarely been at such a low point since I've started watching back in '99, I think this it for me, lost all hope that this sport will get healthy eventually. What is the point of even watching this anymore? To hope a guy like Kuss get gifted a GT cause he's a nice guy?

Who is that on your icon photo?

 

[11-34]

Van Aert got a lot of flak for gifting a one day race to the lesser rider Laporte. Now people want Roglic to gift a whole three week stage race to the lesser rider Kuss ?

 

[saunaking]

Has Soler finished yet?

Resting up so he can go with Remco tomorrow

 

[Samu Cuenca]

If they let Kuss win what was the point of bringing Jonas? He has not been needed at all. Roglic alone would have won this vuelta (with the ocassional Mas help)

They couldn't exactly know how strong their competitors would be beforehand.

 

[Red Rick]

They can still gift it 7 ways from Sunday if they want

 

[ciranda]

sepp to girlfriend: i thought i lost it
receives cake, does not eat
to girlfriend: did you get nervous

catches up to primoz, hugs, says: when i got up to you i had a weird feeling you know
primoz: yeah yeah no no no
sepp: no no but, i know! i know, i say if i drop i drop...
hugs, rogla has to be someplace

 

[saunaking]

Not many were happy about Jonas coming. Seems to me he's the man they want to win the vuelta.

They must have known all season? The team kept it secret from the public, but surely the team was all in on the fact Jonas was doing the double

 

[Jagartrott]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701976490064134650

View: https://twitter.com/JumboVismaRoad/status/1701976490064134650

I seriously think Kuss is suffering from Imposter Syndrome. This is not normal. In red, on his birthday, dropped by his teammates with no-one ahead, and then spurring them on. WTF.

 

[Scarponi]

So if Kuss was peaking for this race instead of riding 3, does he destroy the other 2 in the mountains?

 

[dazaau]

Van Aert got a lot of flak for gifting a stage to the lesser rider Laporte. Now people want Roglic to gift a whole three week stage race to the lesser rider Kuss ?

I still don't buy that the race for the vuelta has been fair within jumbo. At this point you can't say who would have won if they were actually racing each other. Because often they have not been, and sometimes they have, kind of, but not really.