Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 17: Ribadesella/Ribadeseya - Altu de l’Angliru, 124.4k

[tobydawq]

Huh? I thought it was Mads Pedersen.

Wut?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Vingo is a liar. He knows he and Roglic covered themselves in shame today.

 

[Ripper]

Bobke Roll is pretty unhappy that Primoz rode for victory. He even suggested Sepptimus should consider changing teams. I know he loves Sepp because they both have strong ties to Durango, Colorado, but at the end of the day, Sepp has said he wants no gifts. He wants to be a true champion.

Lol. I thought it was teammates are supposed to help each other. So I guess the work that Sepp did in the Tour and the Giro was letting them win

 

[FrontHeadlock]

The way this is going, this might come down to bonus seconds.

Pogacar might be looking to race the Vuelta next year if that's the case.

 

[KOM]

It may be a little weird but I understand him. I think starting with today's stage (as was mentioned by the team) that whoever was strongest would win. He'd like Sepp to win but he has to earn it by being able to keep up with the best. I'm fine with it even if I'd like to see him win.

Yea thats the only thing I can realistically come up with aswell... That he basically means "I just wish sep was 2% stronger in the last few stages so he has 45seconds on me now and not 8" as absurd as that sounds lol. And again I dont get the impression that hes just straight up lying... He might be confused. He might be not very smart. I dont know, but I dont think hes just straight up lying.

 

[Sciatic]

I seriously think Kuss is suffering from Imposter Syndrome. This is not normal. In red, on his birthday, dropped by his teammates with no-one ahead, and then spurring them on. WTF.

I think he’s someone who doesn’t like conflict, and naturally tries keep the peace. But it seemed a little forced today. Of course, I and the rest of us here don’t know how he really feels.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Of what value are UCI points to UAE?

They really want to win the UCI-ranking. It’s a proclaimed target for the team and they’ve been riding for every single point the whole season.

 

[RedheadDane]

Wut?

My bad. I thought you were replying to a question about your own photo, and this thread moves so fast it'd take forever to go back through the quotes. Thought I was being clever...

 

[saunaking]

Of what value are UCI points to UAE?

they make a big deal that they want to be the #1 team
i have heard this more than once

 

[ppanther92]

Both are attacking Kuss left and right on every mountain finish. Ridiculous to go to the interview and tell stupid things about team, friends and helping Kuss to win (in fact to me its clear that this is a mind game to break Kuss because they expected him to do so earlier on the road and are now in panic mode).

I guess its fair, if Jumbo lets them race. I am just not sure if you should treat your most loyal domestique like that. Meaning even in a pure result-driven view - after all Kuss was the mountain lieutenant in all Jumbo GT wins.

The interviews vs. totally contrary actions by Roglic and Vingegaard are rather easy to understand in my opinion. They see themselves as winners. They see themselves on top of the Jumbo food chain. They don't think they need Kuss. They think they deserve it more. They both have big egos (granted, all champions probably).

I just find it very sneaky (if not worse words are needed here) to give *** interviews and pat Kuss on the back with a straight face when all you want to do is stab his back with a knife. Again, wouldn't even moralize too much about this if everyone was saying "we will race this fair and square" but this is messed up and actually quite a psycho side they are showing right now.

 

[madthebad]

Lol wtf is going on with Vingegaard. "To be honest I actually hope that he will keep the jersey. I would love to see Sepp winning the Vuelta a España" Those are direct quotes from his Interview at the finish... I dont even know what to say... Just let Roglic take 20 Seconds then and pace Sepp? Maybe dont attack yesterday and take more than a minute on him? This makes absolutely no sense. Most absurd part is that from his facial expresion and the tone of his voice he seems somewhat genuine to me

Vingegaard is just a boy that rides very fast for unknown reasons. I dont think his brain is any bigger than Chicken Rasmussen's for example. This is the generation of babyfaced killers with a motor shoved up their butts. And it amazes me how people go " but he seems so nice 😍".

 

[tobydawq]

I hate what I'm watching on every level...I understand the hyporcrsy of that statement, but I've been a fan of this sport since the late '80's, and have gone through other hatreds...this one feels more disheartening in a lot of ways. It's terrible racing, media coached interviews, egos over everything (this has been the constant throughout), inexplicable performance, and ignoring the elephant in the room as it stomps around, smashing everything, while telling us it's a kitten.

I think Lachlan Morton is the only story this week that I actually give a sh!t about.

I don't get it. I genuinely find this situation really, really interesting. Of course it's bad for the sport that Jumbo dominate this much but then, instead of just holding hands, they all choose to play politics. Saying some things, doing other things. It's really unpredictable but after all, they all seem to actually race for the win rather than fix it - they just don't want to tell anyone that that's what they're doing.

 

[Cookster15]

Landa is riding very strongly this Vuelta. Best of the rest and pulled for Sepp. Kudos. I take back what I said yesterday

 

[tobydawq]

My bad. I thought you were replying to a question about your own photo, and this thread moves so fast it'd take forever to go back through the quotes. Thought I was being clever...

You know you can just click on the name in the quote to take you back to the original post?

 

[Bolder]

I love Alberto but he shouldn't be interviewing in English. Where is Laura?

He and Sepp spoke Spanish to each other at the end of the interview.

 

[RedheadDane]

You know you can just click on the name in the quote to take you back to the original post?

Yeah, and I'd have had to do that twice, and I was lazy.
I made a mistake. Please don't shoot me!

 

[saunaking]

Landa is riding very strongly this Vuelta. Best of the rest and pulled for Sepp. Kudos. I take back what I said yesterday

and it kinda looked like he gifted the bonus seconds today

 

[Tim Cahill]

Vingo is a liar. He knows he and Roglic covered themselves in shame today.

Sean Kelly knows what happened on the mountain.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701988021061423104

He's going full Roy Keane on GCN now

 

[Cookster15]

I don't get it. I genuinely find this situation really, really interesting. Of course it's bad for the sport that Jumbo dominate this much but then, instead of just holding hands, they all choose to play politics. Saying some things, doing other things. It's really unpredictable but after all, they all seem to actually race for the win rather than fix it - they just don't want to tell anyone that that's what they're doing.

JV don’t need to tell everyone what they are doing it’s obvious - they want Vingegaard to go back to back after the TdF.

 

[madthebad]

I don't get it. I genuinely find this situation really, really interesting. Of course it's bad for the sport that Jumbo dominate this much but then, instead of just holding hands, they all choose to play politics. Saying some things, doing other things. It's really unpredictable but after all, they all seem to actually race for the win rather than fix it - they just don't want to tell anyone that that's what they're doing.

So Roglic and Vingegaard attack Kuss, Kuss says something on the radio to his TD and then they slow down and keep the gap at around 20 seconds for Sepp to hold on to his jersey and you find this " interesting". Interesting...

 

[AmRacer]

Remco should've stayed with the three bees

 

[saunaking]

He and Sepp spoke Spanish to each other at the end of the interview.

point being???

 

[tobydawq]

Yeah, and I'd have had to do that twice, and I was lazy.
I made a mistake. Please don't shoot me!

Give me a prize and I won't.

 

[GroupDK]

Meh it's just all a bit weird. If Kuss wins it will still feel like it was a gift. You can't convince me Vingegaard couldn't have gone 10s faster today he looked very easy the whole way.

The strongest guy in this Vuelta does seem like Vingegaard who seems to be cruising today on a stage that was quite ideal for him... a shame

Will Jonas literally gift a "Grand Tour Vuelta" as the captain to one of his helpers, simply as a gift, because of a group breakaway on stage6 where Kuss was allowed by Vingegaard to go with the early breakaway and where Kuss got +3min gain to Roglic and Vingegaard..

It seems so..weird situation for Vingegaard.. the Tour de France winner to use lesser ranked 3 weeks Grand Tours, like Vuelta, as gifts to teammates.

No thx. That would outwater these lesser-ranked Grand tours even more... it should be the strongest guy for the win, fundamental in sport.

Vingegaard should have set the table right today as he did seem very comfortable, but also precarious that it's Kuss's birthday on this exact crucial stage, - as i goes without saying that some salty minds would go berserk., when reality or sport doesn't go as they want.
- When it's my "birthday".. everything needs to go my way' and I usually get spoiled, so in professional sports, it needs to be the same... it goes without saying that peoples birthdays should not have any bearing in professional sport.

Kind of sad that now it's Roglic who is persona non grata in their minds, from making a race today and not parading.
Sepp likely has to make a statement later tonight telling these triggered minds on social media/web," calm down it's okay that Roglic attacked or kept the pace".

Beautiful stage win to Roglic, well done..

 

[RedheadDane]

Give me a prize and I won't.

I'm not in charge of this quiz!