Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2024, stage 15: Infiesto - Cuitu Negru, 142.9k

[Andre]

Probably true, just taking a pass at possible meanings.

at first I thought it might be Latin...but Negru is not even Latin. So whatever it is...it's something black

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Instead of giving Roglič a 20 second penalty, they should take him at his words and give O'Connor a time which was 20 seconds faster than Mas and his.

 

[Andy262]

He was being sarcastic.

But apparently he did get a 20 second time penalty for drafting behind the Red Bull car after the bike change, which is bullsh*t.

It isn’t, it really is not. He was drafting about about 25cm off the bumper for some distance. It was utterly blatant and at the end of the day equipment problems are part of the race.

And I say that as someone who likes Rogla alot.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Because he gained no advantage? I mean WTF. He was in the peloton safely, swapped safely and then returned safely.

If GC is decided by this penalty (which I don't think it will be) then sh*t.

If he didn't think he was going to gain an advantage by changing bike, why did he do it? And if drafting behind cars yields no advantage, why do so many riders do it so often?

 

[yaco]

Because he gained no advantage? I mean WTF. He was in the peloton safely, swapped safely and then returned safely.

If GC is decided by this penalty (which I don't think it will be) then sh*t.

Its a deserved penalty. he chose to switch bikes, and there is no way you should draft behind the teams car.

 

[Rackham]

If he didn't think he was going to gain an advantage by changing bike, why did he do it? And if drafting behind cars yields no advantage, why do so many riders do it so often?

It isn’t, it really is not. He was drafting about about 25cm off the bumper for some distance. It was utterly blatant and at the end of the day equipment problems are part of the race.

And I say that as someone who likes Rogla alot.

Because this is real life? Let's siphon through all the footage of this Vuelta since day 1 with detective eyes & spot the sticky bottles, drafting & god knows what else that happens.

A little bit a tact from the commissaires would be welcome.

 

[Rackham]

Its a deserved penalty. he chose to switch bikes, and there is no way you should draft behind the teams car.

As I just said. This is a decisive moment in this race & the commissaires intervene over a technicality.

I bet Mas, Landa & O'Connor haven't had a single sticky bottle, eh? I mean come on.

 

[Unchained]

at first I thought it might be Latin...but Negru is not even Latin. So whatever it is...it's something black

Negro is black in Spanish.. and tons of words for your legs being done, baked, toasted, ruined, destroyed. Also people say listo alot meaning ready, sort of finished.. Like I am done, fully cooked

 

[yaco]

Because this is real life? Let's siphon through all the footage of this Vuelta since day 1 with detective eyes & spot the sticky bottles, drafting & god knows what else that happens.

A little bit a tact from the commissaires would be welcome.

Maybe a little more tact from Bora would help.

 

[Bolder]

I guess that penalty is for the team car waiting for him, so they could pull him up to the front part of the convoy without having to jump from car to car, but it didn‘t take long to catch up to the other cars, so it‘s a borderline call and probably just applied because he didn‘t actually have a mechanical.

Yes.

That was some of the most egregious car draft I've seen in a while, he had 2 teammate s and they were 2 cm from the bumper. Especially because he hadn't gone back for a wee, a bottle or a mechanical. It was totally optional and he wanted to give himself an advantage without paying the bill.

 

[yaco]

As I just said. This is a decisive moment in this race & the commissaires intervene over a technicality.

I bet Mas, Landa & O'Connor haven't had a single sticky bottle, eh? I mean come on.

It is not a technicality. All they had to do was ride through the caravan.

 

[ice&fire]

what does the word "cuitu" mean? Is it Latin or Asturian old dialect?

It's Asturian.
The equivalent Spanish word is cueto and has several meanings:

• Defended place at elevation
• Hill with conical shape

 

[Rackham]

It is not a technicality. All they had to do was ride through the caravan.

It sounds like you seem to have a problem with Bora & this is just a good pretext to beat up on them with the rule book, i.e. case in point:

Maybe a little more tact from Bora would help.

That's like... just your opinion man.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I bet Mas, Landa & O'Connor haven't had a single sticky bottle, eh?

Pretty irrelevant as Roglic didnt get punished for a sticky bottle.

 

[Rackham]

Pretty irrelevant as Roglic didnt get punished for a sticky bottle.

I get it. Car drafting = worse thing ever someone please call the UN right here right now, whilst sticky bottles = je ne sais quoi shrugs.

I mean... this conversation is going round in circles here. I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It's Asturian.
The equivalent Spanish word is cueto and has several meanings:

• Defended place at elevation
• Hill with conical shape

Are there also words for undefended places at elevation or for hills with comical shapes?

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

Ahahhahahahahaha maybe don't blatantly draft on camera after doing a bike change by choice in a critical moment of the race then? This is entirely self inflicted and a relatively small penalty that is unlikely to decide the race

 

[Sciatic]

It's Asturian.
The equivalent Spanish word is cueto and has several meanings:

• Defended place at elevation
• Hill with conical shape

Thank you!

 

[ice&fire]

Are there also words for undefended places at elevation or for hills with comical shapes?

I could go to The Alphabet Game if I knew

 

[AmRacer]

I get it. Car drafting = worse thing ever someone please call the UN right here right now, whilst sticky bottles = je ne sais quoi shrugs.

I mean... this conversation is going round in circles here. I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

He didn't have to draft the car, or change bike. He didn't have a mechanical.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I mean... this conversation is going round in circles here. I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

You could claim that the penalty is too harsh and unusual, but what you‘re saying is that Roglič is too important and therefore above the law. I don‘t agree with that.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

Ahahhahahahahaha maybe don't blatantly draft on camera after doing a bike change by choice in a critical moment of the race then? This is entirely self inflicted and a relatively small penalty that is unlikely to decide the race

You should read the Roglic thread, some genuinely seem to believe it's some sort of conspiracy.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I get it. Car drafting = worse thing ever someone please call the UN right here right now, whilst sticky bottles = je ne sais quoi shrugs.

I mean... this conversation is going round in circles here. I'm saying penalizing the rider like that at a critical moment in the race absolutely shows a lack of tact of the commissaires. I mean this sort of sh*t could decide the Vuelta winner. It's not a joke.

And others are saying that a penalty that is not draconian, but that is greater than the advantage gained, is reasonable sanction for a rule transgression.

I think it is unlikely that Roglic will win by lose at all, even less so that he will lose by less than 20 seconds, but if he does so that will be because he and the team made a wrong choice, not the commissaires.

 

[Rackham]

You could claim that the penalty is too harsh and unusual, but what you‘re saying is that Roglič is too important and therefore above the law. I don‘t agree with that.

That's like literally not what I'm saying. At all.

I'm saying the law is very selective in this instance. There's a difference. This is only going to end one way anyway, i.e. next time someone does something on camera which is technically outside of the permitted rules (like those aforementioned sticky bottles which no one seems to care about) & absolutely nothing happens... then yeah, I'll just laugh. Sardonically.

You should read the Roglic thread, some genuinely seem to believe it's some sort of conspiracy.

Haters gonna hate. Some have come out en force after they disappeared on Friday evening.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

That being said, I do believe the commissaires are out to get Roglic. I mean, why wouldn't Nicolas Le Tallec from France, Gianluca Grocetti from Italy and Jurgen Deryckere from Belgium be against him? This is pay back time for Imola. I can see it, as clear as day.