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That might be the case ..speculation is fine .but why can posters not try a liitle mindfulness and live in the current moment i don't know
However I don't that is the case ...It think its one upmanship of fans trying to 'prove' their guy is the best
And I think why not wait and see ...if your guy is the strongest he will win...you donlt need ot keep sayign it and putting the other guy down
And I think the strongest does win ....because that is the purpose ...so if you legs are not the best then your head must be or your tactics or....
There are many ways to be strong
I liked the stage, it was a good one.
Contador ir strong and he is maybe the maximun favourite. It is good when a rider behave as a champion and try to do something almost everyday and using strategy. It is what cycling must be.
it was a good race for Purito, but he is not a good shape. Today he was close to the best becouse the climb suits him very well. Tomorrow he will be better in shape, but the climb suits him worse, so he is expected to lose time.
Henao was the stronger today, but he didnt take time, so that is not good for his interest. He has lot of numbers to win this race, but Contador is at a similar level and his experience in thi race make me put him a little bit above still.
Quintana. He has past the worse days for him and he just lost a few seconds. He looked strong today despite the rain. Tomorrow he could desmostrate he is the best climber of the world, but the climb is not very long for him., and there is a flat and a descent before the finish.
Pinot, looking strong, I wouldnt be very surprised if he win tomorrow and GC as well, but today he lost some energies in his particular ego fight with Aru that he could need next days.
Landa. He was dead for GC today, but finally the GC riders looked echar others and he is very alive, third in GC. But he should attack first thinking in Henao, he should put his possibility of podium behind his leader here, despite he is basque. He won in Aia last year but it is not a climb that suits him very well. All the day in the front of the group has its advantages, but finally you can pay that. He is not at his best, but even at his best, Aia is too explosive for him. Tomorrow is better, he has his options, but the main leader should be Henao, better as well for ITT. As it is usual in Landa, when people expect him or there is pressure, he used to fail, and when nobody expect him, he do amazing things. For that reason SKY has his risk by getting this rider to leader of the Giro. But if he is mentally and phisically well, he is a magical rider able to do what maybe nobody can.
Samu. he is there, so that is becouse he is strong. He told today it is not easy to recover for him. But he has won in Arrate and he has won ITT at this race. It is no possible to put him appart now.
Kelderman. The same than Samu. Tomorroow they need to put a hight pace becouse he is at good shape and he is a good trialist.
it was nice to see Verona figteen for the stage, Wellens looked very strong, but he had his chances.
Contador ir strong and he is maybe the maximun favourite. It is good when a rider behave as a champion and try to do something almost everyday and using strategy. It is what cycling must be.
it was a good race for Purito, but he is not a good shape. Today he was close to the best becouse the climb suits him very well. Tomorrow he will be better in shape, but the climb suits him worse, so he is expected to lose time.
Henao was the stronger today, but he didnt take time, so that is not good for his interest. He has lot of numbers to win this race, but Contador is at a similar level and his experience in thi race make me put him a little bit above still.
Quintana. He has past the worse days for him and he just lost a few seconds. He looked strong today despite the rain. Tomorrow he could desmostrate he is the best climber of the world, but the climb is not very long for him., and there is a flat and a descent before the finish.
Pinot, looking strong, I wouldnt be very surprised if he win tomorrow and GC as well, but today he lost some energies in his particular ego fight with Aru that he could need next days.
Landa. He was dead for GC today, but finally the GC riders looked echar others and he is very alive, third in GC. But he should attack first thinking in Henao, he should put his possibility of podium behind his leader here, despite he is basque. He won in Aia last year but it is not a climb that suits him very well. All the day in the front of the group has its advantages, but finally you can pay that. He is not at his best, but even at his best, Aia is too explosive for him. Tomorrow is better, he has his options, but the main leader should be Henao, better as well for ITT. As it is usual in Landa, when people expect him or there is pressure, he used to fail, and when nobody expect him, he do amazing things. For that reason SKY has his risk by getting this rider to leader of the Giro. But if he is mentally and phisically well, he is a magical rider able to do what maybe nobody can.
Samu. he is there, so that is becouse he is strong. He told today it is not easy to recover for him. But he has won in Arrate and he has won ITT at this race. It is no possible to put him appart now.
Kelderman. The same than Samu. Tomorroow they need to put a hight pace becouse he is at good shape and he is a good trialist.
it was nice to see Verona figteen for the stage, Wellens looked very strong, but he had his chances.
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I counted three seconds between Samu and Barguil.
LaFlorecita said:There was an 8 second gap?HelloDolly said:
I counted three seconds between Samu and Barguil.
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It doesn't matter if there was a gap. With no bonus seconds, Kelderman would still be the leader.
Honestly, I see Contador as the big favourite. I know the time trial is really hard but even if Henao gains a bit of time on the climb (which is not certain) then I think he will lose too much in the rest of the time trial to win the race. And let's be honets, it's Henao, he normally finds a way not to win.
HelloDolly said:
It doesn't matter if there was a gap. With no bonus seconds, Kelderman would still be the leader.
Honestly, I see Contador as the big favourite. I know the time trial is really hard but even if Henao gains a bit of time on the climb (which is not certain) then I think he will lose too much in the rest of the time trial to win the race. And let's be honets, it's Henao, he normally finds a way not to win.
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There was only one 2nd between Samu and Barguil...
...Rui Costa.
Cannibal72 said:LaFlorecita said:There was an 8 second gap?HelloDolly said:
I counted three seconds between Samu and Barguil.
There was only one 2nd between Samu and Barguil...
...Rui Costa.
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Buuuut... Tibopinooooo
I agree with what you said regarding Contador vs Henao in the TT, Contador might be able to pace himself better on the climb, and even if Henao is slightly stronger, there are still 5 flat km and Contador did a recon of the descent which might help.JRanton said:
Buuuut... Tibopinooooo
Hellodolly. I have to disagree. You misused the word 'exactly' even if the poster ends up agreeing with you. Furthermore, every other point you have made is factually wrong. A) winning isn't everything, it's very important but it's not everything. For example, ever heard of a rider using a specific race to prepare for a later one? B) strongest riders don't always win. Often they do but not always. No one who regularly watches cycling can miss this.
Posts about who is stronger might annoy you but they are relevant both in the short term discussion of a race and the GC and as a way to discuss riders who are preparing to peak at a later date.
But ok, I can agree that sometimes these discussions take away some of the attention frome the actual winner of a race. Today it was Sanchez, who did a great job to get away at the end.
Posts about who is stronger might annoy you but they are relevant both in the short term discussion of a race and the GC and as a way to discuss riders who are preparing to peak at a later date.
But ok, I can agree that sometimes these discussions take away some of the attention frome the actual winner of a race. Today it was Sanchez, who did a great job to get away at the end.
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I'm just pretending he doesn't exist.
Geraint Too Fast said:Cannibal72 said:LaFlorecita said:There was an 8 second gap?HelloDolly said:
I counted three seconds between Samu and Barguil.
There was only one 2nd between Samu and Barguil...
...Rui Costa.
I'm just pretending he doesn't exist.
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Wow that is very far sweeping...every point i made is factually wrong ..based on what evidence ?..I'd say there is a fair share of arrogance in that post
I have heard of riders using races to prepare but I was under the impression we are watching and enjoying and talking about this race...ie who is strong in this race ...
Nothing wrong as I said with speculation but tit for tat back and forward ..mine is stronger than yours proves nothing
Metabolol said:
Wow that is very far sweeping...every point i made is factually wrong ..based on what evidence ?..I'd say there is a fair share of arrogance in that post
I have heard of riders using races to prepare but I was under the impression we are watching and enjoying and talking about this race...ie who is strong in this race ...
Nothing wrong as I said with speculation but tit for tat back and forward ..mine is stronger than yours proves nothing
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http://i.imgur.com/BbgL7x3.gif?noredirect
Geraint Too Fast said:Cannibal72 said:LaFlorecita said:There was an 8 second gap?HelloDolly said:
I counted three seconds between Samu and Barguil.
There was only one 2nd between Samu and Barguil...
...Rui Costa.
http://i.imgur.com/BbgL7x3.gif?noredirect
Reading a bit of the reaction to the stage from the riders it sounds like the first part of the race was crazy with many of the top riders and their teams chasing each other all over the place.
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Of course being strong can be an indicator of who is going well at the moment and who has an opportunity to win the next race. my point is that being strong is only one aspect of being a good rider. Tactics and knowing when to use your "strongness" is also importent. Samu did that to day and therefore he won. If it was just about being strong they could just ride spinning bikes in a fitness center.
Last year for example people were arguing that landa was stronger than Contador in the giro. Didnt really matter though. Or last sunday people were saying cancellara was stronger Sagan. Sagan still won because he put in an attack at the right moment.
I fully acknowledge that being strong is important but just saying it isnt the only thing that leeds to victory. In the end the only thing that matters is who wins
SeriousSam said:
Of course being strong can be an indicator of who is going well at the moment and who has an opportunity to win the next race. my point is that being strong is only one aspect of being a good rider. Tactics and knowing when to use your "strongness" is also importent. Samu did that to day and therefore he won. If it was just about being strong they could just ride spinning bikes in a fitness center.
Last year for example people were arguing that landa was stronger than Contador in the giro. Didnt really matter though. Or last sunday people were saying cancellara was stronger Sagan. Sagan still won because he put in an attack at the right moment.
I fully acknowledge that being strong is important but just saying it isnt the only thing that leeds to victory. In the end the only thing that matters is who wins
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He will saturday probably ride the fastest descent or end up in hospital. Written hyperactivity all over him.
LaFlorecita said:JRanton said:Buuuut... Tibopinooooo
He will saturday probably ride the fastest descent or end up in hospital. Written hyperactivity all over him.
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ROTFLMAO....Granny descents
Mr.White said:HelloDolly said:
Wiggins was a champion of descents in that Giro
ROTFLMAO....Granny descents
I probably was abit heavy handed there on the speculation ...I don't wantt to stop anyone's fun and speculation is fun
The thing about Heano & Contador is they are are strong in different ways ,,,,Heano on steep slopes has the edge imo
Contaodr on longer climbs and in TT
So if I were to call it then it will be Contador ftw on GC
The thing about Heano & Contador is they are are strong in different ways ,,,,Heano on steep slopes has the edge imo
Contaodr on longer climbs and in TT
So if I were to call it then it will be Contador ftw on GC
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See your post is symtomatic of what is wrong with this forum. We need to appreciate all riders instead of going into fanboi hysteria.
PremierAndrew said:
See your post is symtomatic of what is wrong with this forum. We need to appreciate all riders instead of going into fanboi hysteria.
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think you have an obsession with Kirkby
Reichembach was mentioned once in the telecast. And Reichembach is 10th in GC
TMP402 said:
think you have an obsession with Kirkby
Reichembach was mentioned once in the telecast. And Reichembach is 10th in GC
I definitely think we shouldn't underestimate Samu in that tt. If his split is any decent on the top of the climb he could be pretty dangerous
What i've taken from the race so far is Contador and Quintana are in form amd foxing with each other
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