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Vuelta a España Vuelta España 2023 stage 10, Valladolid - Valladolid 25.6km ITT

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JosefK

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Relative to expectations, Remco good but not super elated. Roglic very good and also a little better than expected vs. Remco. Vingo a bit below expectations but not a surprise with the TDF in his legs. Ayuso and Almeida, very good, with Almeida as good as expected and Ayuso better than expected. Sepp Kuss, much better than expected. Soler better than expected. Mas? About as expected.
 
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Devil's Elbow

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Tim Cahill said:
His climbing numbers were insane in Gran Camino and Basque iirc, and there was some sort of personal issue before Paris-Nice if he is to be believed, competition not on the very top level granted but even so it's night and day between his level and what Froome's was in early 2017.

Chris Froome

Chris Froome (born 1985-05-20 in Nairobi) is a professional road racing cyclist from Great Britain, currently riding for Israel - Premier Tech. His best results are 4 wins in GC Tour de France and 2 wins in GC Vuelta a España.
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What's more concerning like has been said is that Kuss and Soler look better than him, who both rode the tour at a high level before this.
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Froome would have finished both Catalunya and Dauphiné in second that year had he not let himself get ambushed, and in any case 2017 Froome was far weaker than 2023 Vingegaard and therefore needed to be far closer to his best to win races. His Vuelta opposition also consisted of a Nibali who was arguably starting to slide by then and little else (Contador was past being a real threat by then), that helped too.
 
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Big Doopie said:
What will UAE and JV do now?

Kuss has a healthy advantage on Rog.

Soler has a healthy advantage on Ayuso.

It’s kind of complicated for them actually.

UAE much more likely to attack each other tho.

Remco should do nothing so there are fewer attacks in the high mountains. Then stage 20, act as if it is LBL/San Sebastián.

Still the underdog against these mega teams.
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What, you expect Remco to just sit idly by the next 9 days? Good luck with that prediction.

Otherwise, agreed, it's a very peculiar situation.
 
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Ilmaestro99

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Devil's Elbow said:
Froome would have finished both Catalunya and Dauphiné in second that year had he not let himself get ambushed, and in any case 2017 Froome was far weaker than 2023 Vingegaard and therefore needed to be far closer to his best to win races. His Vuelta opposition also consisted of a Nibali who was arguably starting to slide by then and little else (Contador was past being a real threat by then), that helped too.
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We're pretending almost coming 2nd at catalunya and coming 4th at dauphine against valverde and fulgsang is the same as what vinegegard did in Itzulia and dauphine this year?
 
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An extremely fast flat power time trial with Ludicris 56km/h average from Filippo Ganna .. big power-fellow at 83kg /1.93cm

Vingegaard a tad disappointing, but also quite another fish than Tour de France stage 16 (2023) quite technical with climbs and which was down at 41km/h (Vingegaard 59kg/174cm)

Evenepoel is a freak of nature, very impressive time trial he can muster, when you have in mind he is only a few kilos heavier than Vingegaard, and a tad shorter at 1.71m, that he is this close to matching the speed-demon Filippo Ganna on a flat power stage like this,.is mind-bending
 
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Tim Cahill said:
His climbing numbers were insane in Gran Camino and Basque iirc, and there was some sort of personal issue before Paris-Nice if he is to be believed, competition not on the very top level granted but even so it's night and day between his level and what Froome's was in early 2017.

Chris Froome

Chris Froome (born 1985-05-20 in Nairobi) is a professional road racing cyclist from Great Britain, currently riding for Israel - Premier Tech. His best results are 4 wins in GC Tour de France and 2 wins in GC Vuelta a España.
www.procyclingstats.com www.procyclingstats.com

What's more concerning like has been said is that Kuss and Soler look better than him, who both rode the tour at a high level before this.
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Yes, it's not the drop off. It's the extent of the drop off. Only 6 weeks ago he performed what some people heralded as the greatest TT ever. Today he was a mere mortal finishing around the same time as Soler and Kuss who both rode the Tour.
 
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GroupDK said:
An extremely fast flat power time trial with Ludicris 56km/h average from Filippo Ganna .. big power-fellow at 83kg /1.93cm

Vingegaard a tad disappointing, but also quite another fish than Tour de France stage 16 (2023) quite technical with climbs and which was down at 41km/h (Vingegaard 59kg/174cm)

Evenepoel is a freak of nature, very impressive time trial he can muster, when you have in mind he is only a few kilos heavier than Vingegaard, and a tad shorter at 1.71m, that he is this close to matching the speed-demon Filippo Ganna on a flat power stage like this,.is mind-bending
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Aero and the ability to put down power, ie position, are critical.
 
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Wow, some interesting outcomes out there!

Evenepoel: as expected, the best of the GC guys. It could've been better: despite gaining some seconds (overtaking Landa) he still lost to Ganna and didn't put as much time as he wanted into Rogla and Kuss. Positives: he's #1 from GC guys and put around a minute into Vingegaard and Ayuso.

Roglic: +20'' to Evenepoel today and +27'' in the GC. This was a really good TT by Rogla. He limited his loss to Remco well and put time into the rest of the GC guys. At the finish he looked more skeletal than Skeletor himself! I feel he'll be flying in the mountains later in the race.

Almeida: +34'' to Evenepoel today and +1'07'' in the GC. Good TT as well, overtook his teammate Ayuso in the GC. Fighting for the podium won't be easy though.

Ayuso: +55'' to Evenepoel today and +1'16 in the GC. Average TT by him considering expectations. GC Situation similar to Almeida, he'll need to attack to get the podium. Victory seems far fetched.

Soler: +56'' to Evenepoel today and -43'' in the GC. Very good TT by him! He's been flying under the radar but now it's clear he's a serious podium contender. UAE has lots of options now.

Vingeegaard: +1'02'' to Evenepoel today and +1'13 in the GC. Performance below expectations but not that surprising considering Tour in his legs. He's not in world-beating form but still can be a key helper to Primoz and podium contender as long climbs suit him.

Kuss: +1'13'' to Evenepoel today and -1'09'' in the GC. Awesome by Sepp! I think most people here misjudged their estimations cause Sepp never really had to dig deep in a TT (saving himself for his mountain duties instead). Today he showed what he can do. This is getting interesting: he still has a healthy lead over Remco with only mountains ahead. Now he's a serious victory candidate but we will see how JV will play it out as Primoz is very strong and Vinge is still not out.

Mas: +1'30'' to Evenepoel today and +1'41'' in the GC. He's poor in such TTs so this wasn't bad actually. Podium fight will be an uphill battle for him.

Last but not least: congrats to Ganna! Now he can go home, his job is done.
 
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ontheroad said:
Yes, it's not the drop off. It's the extent of the drop off. Only 6 weeks ago he performed what some people heralded as the greatest TT ever. Today he was a mere mortal finishing around the same time as Soler and Kuss who both rode the Tour.
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Like some mentioned, his Tour victories against pog are not comparable to e.g. Froomes against Quintana etc.
Sprinting around the alps for 2 weeks against the maybe-GOAT might well make any double attempt impossible for him (and pogi as well)
 
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ontheroad said:
Yes, it's not the drop off. It's the extent of the drop off. Only 6 weeks ago he performed what some people heralded as the greatest TT ever. Today he was a mere mortal finishing around the same time as Soler and Kuss who both rode the Tour.
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Kuss rode the Tour as a domestique. He could switch on and off. As the team leader Vingegaard couldn't do that. Soler has been a surprise so far.
 
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