Warning for Lance fans

[Ferminal]

Two questions to ask oneself:

1. Why am I so passionate about convincing everyone that Lance used PEDs?

2. Why can't I leave this thread alone so those who have an alternate view of Lance can discuss rationally, without the aggro & abuse?

3. Why am I reading and posting in this thread.

 

[auscyclefan94]

he tested positive 2 x in 1999 though.

One required a dishonest backdating of a TUI and the other he only escaped due to it being a retrospective research analysis.

One interesting thing about his 99 EPO positive is that it not only showed that few of his rivals were using EPO during the tour, it also showed that Lance was using absolutely sh*tloads of the stuff.

I remember watching him climb to Sestriere in 99 and thinking how if Riis was Mr 60% then Lance must have the new record on artificial crit elevation....

I know, I was correcting WonderLance's poor grammatical error.

3. Why am I reading and posting in this thread.

Yes, but he does bring up some excellent points. People can't help themselves but come back and argue about the same issues about Lance. Lance gets under quite a few posters skin's so that's why they have to keep posting about him.

 

[Ferminal]

I know, I was correcting WonderLance's poor grammatical error.


Yes, but he does bring up some excellent points. People can't help themselves but come back and argue about the same issues about Lance. Lance gets under quite a few posters skin's so that's why they have to keep posting about him.

Who told you to drop the I HATE SKY sig?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Who told you to drop the I HATE SKY sig?

Susan did. Your point is...?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Two questions to ask oneself:

1. Why am I so passionate about convincing everyone that Lance used PEDs?

2. Why can't I leave this thread alone so those who have an alternate view of Lance can discuss rationally, without the aggro & abuse?

1. I love exposing the misinformation and lies put out by Lances PR company and legal team (hi y'all). But unlike you, I will back up my opinions with as much information as I can post online - and then let the reader come to their own conclusions.

2. What 'alternate view'? You haven't put forth something to discuss.
So far, you have offered your opinion and you have asked Lance fans "If you want a neutral view with some degree of editorial standard go look at the Wikipedia article on Lance."..... Thats not an 'alternate view' thats a directive.


Finally -
Lances doping has been discussed on many threads within this site.

Each of the points concerning his doping practices have been debated and discussed - if you have a particular argument or query on his doping then I suggest bringing it up on the relevant thread.
I will be more than happy to correct any misinformation, get reliable material for you to consider and answer any questions you may have.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Amen. Although winning those other 7 tours WITHOUT TESTING POSITIVE should have been prof enough.

Who are you? A little six year old illiterate boy? Not only was Epo-Lance positiv at the TdF, but he was positiv SEVEN times (6 of 12 positiv Epo-Samples in 99 belong to him + he was tested positiv for cortisone which he had no medical certificate for). Ignoring the truth about your god can´t wash away the evidence. The way you write you make yourself downright ridiculous.

And if EPO doesn´t help him, how you explain to yourself his miserable performances between 93 and 96 (best finish 36th, 3 time DNF, loosing 6 mins. in ITT´s, finishing mountain stages 28 mins. behind etc. etc.). Why don´t you try to use your brain before posting all your nonsense?

 

[Ferminal]

Susan did. Your point is...?

The new one is better

 

[buckwheat]

Who are you? A little six year old illiterate boy? Not only was Epo-Lance positiv at the TdF, but he was positiv SEVEN times (6 of 12 positiv Epo-Samples in 99 belong to him + he was tested positiv for cortisone which he had no medical certificate for). Ignoring the truth about your god can´t wash away the evidence. The way you write you make yourself downright ridiculous.

And if EPO doesn´t help him, how you explain to yourself his miserable performances between 93 and 96 (best finish 36th, 3 time DNF, loosing 6 mins. in ITT´s, finishing mountain stages 28 mins. behind etc. etc.). Why don´t you try to use your brain before posting all your nonsense?

He tried harder.....

I'm warning you.....

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

hilarious

Thank you for your warning

 

[Boeing]

I question I have for Lance is why he claimed Cofidis abandoned him when in fact they paid him 2/3rds of his contract, and he never rode for them or donned their Kit

Always spinning the victim line as a distraction

 

[buckwheat]

I question I have for Lance is why he claimed Cofidis abandoned him when in fact they paid him 2/3rds of his contract, and he never rode for them or donned their Kit

Always spinning the victim line as a distraction

The answer is that Walsh is a troll who loves cancer. He's also associated with Kimmage, as they are from the same country. LA disclaimer: all the other Irish are wonderful people.

What you have to understand is that LA's Cofidis story fits in with the narrative of the fable. Who gives a $hit whether it's true or not? Half of what he says is a lie so he might as well take it all the way. He can create them a lot faster than you can debunk them. He understands that 9 casual fans overrule 1 person who may dig a little below the surface. Then you have the willfully blind fanboys who'd love to give the guy a sensual massage with the requisite happy ending. How you gonna fight those kinds of odds? Then to gild the lilly you're a jealous and angry hater. If he's successful painting LeMond with that brush, how in the hell is the fairly informed cycling fan going to stand a chance?

The above answer satisfies well above 90% with fanboy proclivities. This armstrong is going to be an amazing politician.


BTW, right now he's playing with the kids in Austin, training in Aspen, preparing for the newborn, fighting cancer, wind tunnel testing, core training, building soap box derby cars, sewing dresses with the twins, coordinating parenting with his ex wife but good friend Kristen, using hundreds of thousands of gallons of water because it evaporates quickly in the Texas heat, badmouthing then praising Contador, hanging out in art gallleries, taking half hour showers, hobnobbing with politicos and picking up skeezers in South Beach/Hollywood/Tribeca with Bill Clinton.

In addition to being 7 time TdF champion, the guy has created the 36 hour day. I wonder if he'd date me?

 

[epo1999]

The answer is that Walsh is a troll who loves cancer. He's also associated with Kimmage, as they are from the same country. LA disclaimer: all the other Irish are wonderful people.

What you have to understand is that LA's Cofidis story fits in with the narrative of the fable. Who gives a $hit whether it's true or not? Half of what he says is a lie so he might as well take it all the way. He can create them a lot faster than you can debunk them. He understands that 9 casual fans overrule 1 person who may dig a little below the surface. Then you have the willfully blind fanboys who'd love to give the guy a sensual massage with the requisite happy ending. How you gonna fight those kinds of odds? Then to gild the lilly you're a jealous and angry hater. If he's successful painting LeMond with that brush, how in the hell is the fairly informed cycling fan going to stand a chance?

The above answer satisfies well above 90% with fanboy proclivities. This armstrong is going to be an amazing politician.


BTW, right now he's playing with the kids in Austin, training in Aspen, preparing for the newborn, fighting cancer, wind tunnel testing, core training, building soap box derby cars, sewing dresses with the twins, coordinating parenting with his ex wife but good friend Kristen, using hundreds of thousands of gallons of water because it evaporates quickly in the Texas heat, badmouthing then praising Contador, hanging out in art gallleries, taking half hour showers, hobnobbing with politicos and picking up skeezers in South Beach/Hollywood/Tribeca with Bill Clinton.

In addition to being 7 time TdF champion, the guy has created the 36 hour day. I wonder if he'd date me?

HA! Get in line buddy, that ball's mine!

 

[buckwheat]

that reminds me

HA! Get in line buddy, that ball's mine!

One thing I forgot: spoonfeeding his essence to the Phinney clan.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The answer is that Walsh is a troll who loves cancer. He's also associated with Kimmage, as they are from the same country. LA disclaimer: all the other Irish are wonderful people...

You are a troll speaking the same BS like Epo-Lance: Seeing everywhere an enemy if not fitting in the own perspective. Why don´t start the I-hate-France-Story your god Pharmstrong loves so much?

The person who really loves cancer is Epo-Lance himself, because it makes him rich.

Yeah, your god would be a real great politican like the last one from Texas. They fit on a bike and talk the same black-white rubbish.

I feel real sorry for you: falling blindfolded and deaf into the trap of the LA-PR.

Or was it all sarcastic? Then i have to apologize.

 

[red_flanders]

I've lost track of who's being sarcastic.

 

[buckwheat]

You are a troll speaking the same BS like Epo-Lance: Seeing everywhere an enemy if not fitting in the own perspective. Why don´t start the I-hate-France-Story your god Pharmstrong loves so much?

The person who really loves cancer is Epo-Lance himself, because it makes him rich.

Yeah, your god would be a real great politican like the last one from Texas. They fit on a bike and talk the same black-white rubbish.

I feel real sorry for you: falling blindfolded and deaf into the trap of the LA-PR.

Or was it all sarcastic? Then i have to apologize.

Yes, I was kidding. You really didn't think I was serious?

Except for the politician thing. The guy will be amazing. This from the perspective of detachment. I'm not saying that I'm not repulsed by the idea.

I see you're writing from Germany. Are you German? Do you have any idea how insane Americans are?

Two clues, GWB and Sarah Palin. A large percentage of the American populace is nuts.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I've lost track of who's being sarcastic.

You have to keep notes.

 

[tifosa]

I usually wait until the thread has amassed 20 pages before I start taking notes.

However, I feel it's a waste of time to take any notes on LA when there are so many spins, uh, I mean version of the truth, available on-line.

God, please make the Armstrong faithful madness stop.

 

[Polish]

And if EPO doesn´t help him, how you explain to yourself his miserable performances between 93 and 96 (best finish 36th, 3 time DNF, loosing 6 mins. in ITT´s, finishing mountain stages 28 mins. behind etc. etc.). Why don´t you try to use your brain before posting all your nonsense?

FoxxyB, Lance was doping 93-96 also. So how do you explain the miserable performances during that pre-cancer time frame? What did Lance do differently post-cancer?

Buckwheat is mostly correct when he states:

He tried harder.....
...

That is the Number#1 reason.

Buckwheat is "mostly correct" because there are many other reasons also.
But Doping is way way down on the list.

Lance learning to watch his diet was more beneficial than doping.
Seriously.

In 1993 as a neo-pro, Lance would polish off a bag of doritos in one sitting.
In 1999 he did not eat doritos. Or at worst, weigh and consume a meager smackeral.

The claim that "Doping Transformed Lance" is a myth.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Yes, I was kidding. You really didn't think I was serious?

Except for the politician thing. The guy will be amazing. This from the perspective of detachment. I'm not saying that I'm not repulsed by the idea.

I see you're writing from Germany. Are you German? Do you have any idea how insane Americans are?

Two clues, GWB and Sarah Palin. A large percentage of the American populace is nuts.

Yeah sure, you sounded like a real Fanboy (kind of this autistic "wonderlance"). You know, if english is not the mother tongue, it´s not easy to see the sarcasm all the time.

Yes i am from germany, but i don´t think it has to do with countries. Many people are easy manipulated and some are not.

 

[pedaling squares]

Lance learning to watch his diet was more beneficial than doping. Seriously. In 1993 as a neo-pro, Lance would polish off a bag of doritos in one sitting...

The claim that "Doping Transformed Lance" is a myth.]

Excellent point. He only won the World Championships because there was a Dorito van parked at the finish area. Doping had nothing to do with his transformation from a one day specialist who couldn't climb and couldn't TT to a mountain-eating, TT-dominating, stage race beast. He blew away a field full of EPO freaks because cancer angered him and dammit, he tried harder!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

FoxxyB, Lance was doping 93-96 also. So how do you explain the miserable performances during that pre-cancer time frame?

"Alpe d´Huez" gave one explanation: The body was already weak because of cancer in 1996. That time (as far as i remember) he started to meet Dr. Ferrari. So the full advantage of this "Doc" came out after his cure. Plus he is allowed to take drugs (because of cancer*) which aren´t allowed for others. So it´s a mix of everything, because never before and never after Epo-Lance did someone in any sport transform from an also-ran into superstar at the age of 28. Even Barry-HGH-Bonds and Milk-McGwire showed skills before they got HR-Hitting-Dope-Monsters.

Talent always showed early.

BTW, every pro tries as hard as possible. Epo-Lance hasn´t the patent for this...

* Even a german amateur cyclist tried to fake a cancer to get a free pass in doping. It was in the (german-)news last year. Sorry i don´t have the link anymore.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Excellent point. He only won the World Championships because there was a Dorito van parked at the finish area. Doping had nothing to do with his transformation from a one day specialist who couldn't climb and couldn't TT to a mountain-eating, TT-dominating, stage race beast. He blew away a field full of EPO freaks because cancer angered him and dammit, he tried harder!

My TTing has come on leaps and bounds this year. I've always been more of of a natural climber, but it is possible to improve by doing different training, changing your style and having a different approach.

 

[flicker]

Excellent point. He only won the World Championships because there was a Dorito van parked at the finish area. Doping had nothing to do with his transformation from a one day specialist who couldn't climb and couldn't TT to a mountain-eating, TT-dominating, stage race beast. He blew away a field full of EPO freaks because cancer angered him and dammit, he tried harder!

That could be a number of cyclists including Greg LeMond. My guess is Greg beat a number of doped cyclists including EPO users in his carreer. Also I do not think Greg used EPO. Ever!

Some riders develop at different stages of the carreers. I try to take that into account with Lance.

 

[Race Radio]

My TTing has come on leaps and bounds this year. I've always been more of of a natural climber, but it is possible to improve by doing different training, changing your style and having a different approach.

Are you sure it is not your new skinsuit that makes you go faster?