Warning for Lance fans

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Funny to see Armstrong with Reebok shoes on.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Are you sure you it is your new skinsuit that makes you go faster?

Yeah I saw it in the other thread. Funny. You're good at getting these pictures.

 

[Polish]

Excellent point. He only won the World Championships because there was a Dorito van parked at the finish area. Doping had nothing to do with his transformation from a one day specialist who couldn't climb and couldn't TT to a mountain-eating, TT-dominating, stage race beast. He blew away a field full of EPO freaks because cancer angered him and dammit, he tried harder!

Yes, he tried and trained harder.

Diet is not nearly as important for a neo-pro classic specialist as it is
for a Grand Tour Winner.

And I did not say "Doping had nothing to do with his transformation".
I say it had "little to do with his transformation".

Doping transforms donkeys, not thoroughbreds.

 

[buckwheat]

Yeah sure, you sounded like a real Fanboy (kind of this autistic "wonderlance").

Thanks, it's reassuring that I can "fit in" when necessary. I'm practicing for when Palin takes over.

I'm sure I'll be on her hit list and I may have to hide.

Surely you can't have someone who is equally *** yet accepted by the public over in Germany?

 

[Polish]

That could be a number of cyclists including Greg LeMond. My guess is Greg beat a number of doped cyclists including EPO users in his carreer. Also I do not think Greg used EPO. Ever!

Some riders develop at different stages of the carreers. I try to take that into account with Lance.

+1 on the "Some riders develop at different stages of the carreers"

Greg had been a Pro for three years before he attempted his first TdF.

Lance raced the Tour as a neo-pro in July 1993.

Actually won a stage before being pulled out of the race.
The writing was on the wall for the future TdF champion.
Eddy B knew it.

What other TdF winners have won a stage in their first year as a Pro?
There must be others? Awesome.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Politicians are the same the world over, aren't they?

Enough politics and insulting other users. Get back on topic, whatever it is.

Susan

 

[buckwheat]

Politicians are the same the world over, aren't they?

Enough politics and insulting other users. Get back on topic, whatever it is.

Susan

Sorry Susan,

There is no topic, just lunacy!

"Warning for Lance fans."


See what I'm saying?

 

[krebs303]

 

[Archibald]

oh c'mon... this has been funny-as-f**k to read

keep it coming folks, it's hard to believe, but not surprising to see some of the pro-lance stuff that was spouted by a couple of posters here...

I've read "It's Not About The Bike", "Lance Armstrong's War", "Bad Blood" and "From Lance to Landis". I know which really feels like the stronger case.

Unfortunately, there's more to a "negative" test than actually being "clean"...
The cancer survivor, I have time for
The person and cyclist, I don't

Back to the schoolyard...

 

[BikeCentric]

Diet is not nearly as important for a neo-pro classic specialist as it is
for a Grand Tour Winner.

I usually don't bother to respond to your trolling Polish but now and then I'll step in when you make blatantly incorrect factual statements as you did here.

The reality is the exact opposite of what you wrote above. Diet is actually far more important to a neo-pro than it is for a Grand Tour Winner. This is because a neo-pro has a much lower overall training volume than a world class GT winner and consequently needs to focus both on overall calorie intake and quality of calories in order to maintain lean muscle mass and not gain unnecessary fat.

The GT winner OTOH is training so much that they often need all the calories they can get and supplementing their quality calories with calorie dense "garbage" food is not only not harmfull but sometimes even necessary for these athletes.

Anyway, please resume your trolling - I'm actually a big fan of most of your work. Consistently trolling a message board every single day for over a year with multiple usernames is pretty amazing. I can only imagine what you might have accomplished in your life if you'd applied that energy in other ways but c'est la vie...

 

[flicker]

oh c'mon... this has been funny-as-f**k to read

keep it coming folks, it's hard to believe, but not surprising to see some of the pro-lance stuff that was spouted by a couple of posters here...

I've read "It's Not About The Bike", "Lance Armstrong's War", "Bad Blood" and "From Lance to Landis". I know which really feels like the stronger case.

Unfortunately, there's more to a "negative" test than actually being "clean"...
The cancer survivor, I have time for
The person and cyclist, I don't

Back to the schoolyard...

Call me what you want, a fan-boy clueless etc. I like Lance's results and the TdF DVD action of his riding in the tour the more I respect him.

Yes there are many things about his personality that are disturbing. The doping accusations are challanging to me yes....

I appreciate his overcoming adversity. I look forward to seeing his actions in the 2010 tour.

 

[BikeCentric]

Call me what you want, a fan-boy clueless etc. I like Lance's results and the TdF DVD action of his riding in the tour the more I respect him.

Yes there are many things about his personality that are disturbing. The doping accusations are challanging to me yes....

I appreciate his overcoming adversity. I look forward to seeing his actions in the 2010 tour.

All the Lance haters love adversity as much as they love cancer and hate winners!

 

[Angliru]

FoxxyB, Lance was doping 93-96 also. So how do you explain the miserable performances during that pre-cancer time frame? What did Lance do differently post-cancer?

Buckwheat is mostly correct when he states:



That is the Number#1 reason.

Buckwheat is "mostly correct" because there are many other reasons also.
But Doping is way way down on the list.

Lance learning to watch his diet was more beneficial than doping.
Seriously.

In 1993 as a neo-pro, Lance would polish off a bag of doritos in one sitting.
In 1999 he did not eat doritos. Or at worst, weigh and consume a meager smackeral.

The claim that "Doping Transformed Lance" is a myth.

At the least it's rather disturbing that you even have this photo.

 

[flicker]

All the Lance haters love adversity as much as they love cancer and hate winners!

There are no haters BC there are only others who might dislike Mr. Armstrong.

I respect their opinions.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

All the Lance haters love adversity as much as they love cancer and hate winners!

BS !!!

The problem with Epo-Lance is he makes a .com-business out of the prestige from his .org-business. So the one who really loves cancer is Epo-Lance aka the cancer of cycling.

He´s a slap into the face of every cancer survivor, because he puts the money in his pocket which is needed elsewere for real fighting of cancer (and not ego trips).
Plus he´s a looser because liars and cheaters always are, no matter how much money they sucked out of unaware people to get rich.

 

[poupou]

Greg had been a Pro for three years before he attempted his first TdF.

Lance raced the Tour as a neo-pro in July 1993.

Actually won a stage before being pulled out of the race.
The writing was on the wall for the future TdF champion.
Eddy B knew it.

What other TdF winners have won a stage in their first year as a Pro?
There must be others? Awesome.

Maybe Riis?

Abit of reality of the "gifted" Lance

Tour de France 1993
1th stage ITT 6.8km
1. Indurain 8'12
81 Armstrong +47"

9th stage ITT 59km
1. Indurain 1h12'50
27 Armstrong +6'04"

10th moutain stage 203km 3 cols Villards -Serre Chevalier
86 Armstrong +21'42"

11th moutain stage 179 km Serre-Chevalier -> ISOLA 2000
97 Armstrong +28'47"

DNS stage 12.
-------
TDF 1994

LILLE / Euralille, 7.2 km ITT
1. Chris Boardman (Gbr) en 7'49" (Moy : 55.266 km/h)
18. Armstrong à 39"

PERIGUEUX-BERGERAC, 64 km ITT
1. Miguel Indurain en 1h15'58" (Moy : 50.548 km/h)
13. Armstrong à 6'23"

Lourdes/Hautacam (HC-1560) -> Leblanc

1. Luc Leblanc en 6h58'04" (Moy : 37.816 km/h)
64. Armstrong à 7'03"

LOURDES-LUZ ARDIDEN, 204.5 km
1. Richard Virenque en 6h08'32" (Moy : 33.294 km/h)
55. Armstrong à 20'09"

DNS stage 16 (Ventoux)

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TDF 1995

SAINT BRIEUC, 7.3 km ITT
1. Jacky Durand en 9'00" (Moy : 48.666 km/h)
45. Armstrong +33"

HUY (Bel)-SERAING (Bel), 54 km ITT
1. Miguel Indurain en 1h04'16" (Moy : 50.414 km/h)
19. Armstrong à 5'09"

LE GRAND BORNAND-LA PLAGNE, 160 km

1. Alex Zülle (Sui) en 4h41'18" (Moy : 34.127 km/h)
40. Armstrong +17'57"

AIME LA PLAGNE-L'ALPE D'HUEZ, 162.5 km
1. Marco Pantani en 5h13'14" (Moy : 31.126 km/h)
56. Armstrong à 18'44"

ST ORENS DE GAMEVILLE-GUZET NEIGE, 164 km
1. Marco Pantani en 4h29'08" (Moy : 36.561 km/h)
117. Armstrong à 28'05"

ST GIRONS-CAUTERETS/CRETES DU LYS, 206 km
1. Richard Virenque en 6h20'48" (Moy : 32.457 km/h)
64. Armstrong à 32'54"

LAC DE VASSIVIERE, 46.5 km ITT
1. Miguel Indurain en 57'34" (Moy : 48.465 km/h)
43. Armstrong à 6'24"

CG FINAL :
36. Lance Armstrong (Usa) à 1h28'06"

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

poupou, you haven't heard of the two-speed peloton in the early and mid 90s?

Ask Greg Lemond about it.

 

[Anonymous]

 

[flicker]

Come on Pou-pou.

Look at who Lance was racing against then,Pantani, Virenque,Indurain etc.

 

[Polish]

What other TdF winners have won a stage in their first year as a Pro?
There must be others? Awesome.

Maybe Riis?
"

Nope, not Riis.
He did not race in the TdF in his first year as a Pro.
And he did not Win a stage in the TdF until his seventh year as a pro.

I will give you a hint
At least one French Rider has done it.

Sorry poupou, but Lance's TdF as a rookie rider was Awesome.

 

[poupou]

Sorry poupou, but Lance's TdF as a rookie rider was Awesome.

Do you want to compare with Merckx, Hinault, Coppi, Anquetil, Lemond, Fignon, Poulidor, Zootemelk, Van Impe, ...

 

[Escarabajo]

poupou, you haven't heard of the two-speed peloton in the early and mid 90s?

Ask Greg Lemond about it.

Do you mean, they slowed down in 1999?

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Do you mean, they slowed down in 1999?

More people got with the programme.

 

[Polish]

Do you want to compare with Merckx, Hinault, Coppi, Anquetil, Lemond, Fignon, Poulidor, Zootemelk, Van Impe, ...

Merckx did not ride his first tour until his fourth year as a pro.
Same with Hinault I think..Fignon in his second year....LeMond third year?

I think the only rider on that list that raced the TdF in their first year as a Pro was doper Joop. Did not win a stage like Lance did, however.

Maybe the key to a long TdF career, like Joop and Lance, is to race the TdF your first year?

Lance started riding the TdF EARLIER than most of the other Great Riders.

Maybe that is another reason for his SEVEN TdF wins?
Trained Harder. Weighed his Food. Raced the TdF as a neo-pro.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

poupou, you haven't heard of the two-speed peloton in the early and mid 90s?

Ask Greg Lemond about it.

That´s funny. You twist reality into your favour.

For you to swallow: (Avg.-Speed TdF)
93 38.7
94 38.4
95 39.2
96 39.2

99 40.2
00 39.2
01 40.1
02 41.2
03 40.9
04 40.5
05 41.7

So that means Epo-Lance didn´t only gain the 6 mins. he used to loose on long ITT´s and the 28 mins. on mountain stages, but even topped that since the Avg.-Speed got up in "his" years. So the Epo,- Blood,- and free-pass doping he was (allowed) doing after his illness really helped him.

So we should call the Pharmstrong years the three-speed-peloton.
(1) allowed to dope to the gills because of sickness for Epo-Lance
(2) the "Avg.-Blood/Epo-Dopers"
(3) the clean true heroes like Bassons