What hppens if/when Levi & Klodi are strong than Tex in 2010 TdF?

[Sprocket01]

Wasn't nothing graceful about it. He got his saddle handled to him and there wasn't anything he could do but recognize the reality of the situation.

But he knew this was likely to happen. He played a good wily game though. I was proud of him.

 

[Publicus]

But he knew this was likely to happen. He played a good wily game though. I was proud of him.

If I recall correctly Lance was telling everyone and their mother that Verbier was going to separate the men from the boys, and with his wry little smile to suggest that he was one of the men. Pretty much started after AC's demonstration on Arcalis sucked the wind out of his sails.... He didn't know it was going to happen. He thought the opposite would happen.

 

[Race Radio]

I remember seeing his red eyes and laughing for several minutes.

He was not necessarily crying. Sometimes the high blood pressure that comes with blood packing can cause red eye.

 

[BikeCentric]

But he knew this was likely to happen. He played a good wily game though. I was proud of him.

Ah Sprocket. You very much remind me of the crazed fan in the movie "Happy Gilmore" who was stalking Shooter McGavin and constantly asking him out to dinner at Red Lobster.

The term "chamois sniffer" was invented long ago in cycling yore as an apt label for folks such as yourself.

 

[BYOP88]

radioshack will be going to the tour with no designated leader like this year with astana. The main aim will be to sweep the peloton, its all for the team.

This after all is the bruyneel way, no designated leader and let the road decide. This is the most effective way and anyone who disagrees is just stupid and knows nothing about cycling because bruyneel is the master tactician with more gts to his name than anyone else.

Even if one of the guys is leading the race, he will be expected to do domestique work for his lower ranked team-mates to ensure they have a shot at the podium. Just like the marines, nobody will be left behind. The team is more important than individual victory. This method has won bruyneel 10 tours so no questions asked.

The other plus is that because radioshack will have 3 leaders, ac wont know who to follow and lets face it, he will be clueless without bruyneel guiding him. You think he was stupid this year, wait until next year. If it werent for the hog, contador would still not have won a major tour. I predict a radioshack podium sweep with lance winning and helping his team-mates onto the podium.

roflmao!!!!!

 

[Glockers]

I seem to remember Lance sitting on Wiggins' wheel when Contador attacked in the alps. He was the perfect lieutenant keeping watch on the threat. He didn't make a move until he was sure Wiggins couldn't follow his wheel. Then he did the Lance kick and made up time on AC.

He seemed much stronger than some of the idiots on here suggest. He also seemed loyal to me by not following AC's attack and instead watching Wiggins.

Armstrong haters sure have selective memories.

 

[Galic Ho]

It was obviously hard to see LA coming back to a new team at this stage in his career. He wanted to be with Bruyneel and some of his own team mates. Maybe he did underestimate just how good Contador would be. I think he saw Sastre and Evans fighting it out in the 2008 tour and thought "hell, I could whoop these guys, what am I doing sitting here"? I think a lot of people were surprised by Contador's power this year.

No only the Lance fanboys were surprised and Liggett. Actually watch cycling for the entire season, you shouldn't have been surprised. Your thinking is naive, realists knew who the power man on the road was. That was evident after the prologue and beyond dispute after Arcalis and Verbier.

No I already said that Kloden started slightly better than Armstrong. But he cracked during the last week as Armstrong got better, and LA dropped him twice. Remember this was only Armstrong's first tour at something near to being fully fit after four years out. There is every reason to believe he will be the rightful leader of the team if all goes to plan this year. I don't see why that is so difficult to take - at this stage in their careers its unlikely Kloden and Levi will get any better, but LA can still improve. For his first year back he has done wonderfully well. He did have a collarbone break.

BPC do you know when to stop? Levi and Kloden are younger than Lance. Why should Lance improve beyond both? The others have better ITT than LA and can climb just as well, plus pace the enlightened one up mountains and still finish with him. Unless you were talking about drug improvements...wrong forum.

Well people will throw whatever they want at him. My point is he set up his own team precisely to get around the problems of this year.

Rightfull leader of RadioShack. Heck he'll just pull the money strings and get his way. I used to admire Levi, not anymore, he's just a hack idiot. He should not have to ride to help a man he is better than. Why does he? Friendship? A real friend would not manipulate and demand you to help them in a competitive sport to your own detriment. 'Winning the tour a problem?' Oh, you meant Lance having an entire team thinking that the greatest achievement of their lives would be pulling the fourth best rider on the team to his 'destined' first place in the TdF. Contador will have something to say about that, and the Schlecks, Evans, Menchov, Valverde and all those pesky Italians on Liquigas.

News for you chump, Contador won't follow next year, he'll attack and not play the loyal hound and help his slower teammates. The heat will be turned up, RadioShack will all struggle to follow Contador and to a lesser degree Schleck in the mountains. Apart from the Tour of California, the Shack won't win much, all to be achieved by Levi and Kloden. The team is a joke, designed for one purpose and one purpose alone, allowing LA to win an 8th tour. Not going to happen! At least it will be fun to see him squeal and squirm when reality comes around next July as it did this year.

 

[Sprocket01]

If I recall correctly Lance was telling everyone and their mother that Verbier was going to separate the men from the boys, and with his wry little smile to suggest that he was one of the men. Pretty much started after AC's demonstration on Arcalis sucked the wind out of his sails.... He didn't know it was going to happen. He thought the opposite would happen.

No offence but I don't think you understand sport very well. That was all part of the psychological warfare. But I'm sure LA knew the odds were not in his favour.

 

[Sprocket01]

I seem to remember Lance sitting on Wiggins' wheel when Contador attacked in the alps. He was the perfect lieutenant keeping watch on the threat. He didn't make a move until he was sure Wiggins couldn't follow his wheel. Then he did the Lance kick and made up time on AC.

He seemed much stronger than some of the idiots on here suggest. He also seemed loyal to me by not following AC's attack and instead watching Wiggins.

Armstrong haters sure have selective memories.

Yeah, good point.

 

[BikeCentric]

I seem to remember Lance sitting on Wiggins' wheel when Contador attacked in the alps. He was the perfect lieutenant keeping watch on the threat. He didn't make a move until he was sure Wiggins couldn't follow his wheel. Then he did the Lance kick and made up time on AC.

He seemed much stronger than some of the idiots on here suggest. He also seemed loyal to me by not following AC's attack and instead watching Wiggins.

Armstrong haters sure have selective memories.

Good God man, he finished a distant 3rd place and was never in contention from the opening TT. The only reason he managed 3rd was because of a very strong team laying down a great time in the TTT. And since when do "perfect lieutenant's" talk trash about their team leader throughout an entire Tour?! Put down the crack pipe and try to keep your bizzare man-crush for Armstrong from clouding your view of reality.

 

[Galic Ho]

Glockers, you poor soul. Was the tv station not broadcating in your area? Lance was acting the idiot and checking his wheels and derailleur and didn't notice Frank Schleck take off like a rocket after Kloden, Contador and his brother. Lance wasn't playing the loyal lieutenant at his own will. He was left because he wasn't 'tactically astute', something he readily accussed AC of not being. He couldn't bridge the gap without a tow so waited until the Garmin boys popped to try and save some time. Before you reply with, "Lance pulled back time." No he didn't, not on AC and the Schleck's. Kloden, yes, but not the first three. Also, Contador did not initiate the attack. That was the Schleck's.

 

[Hugh Januss]

No offence but I don't think you understand sport very well. That was all part of the psychological warfare. But I'm sure LA knew the odds were not in his favour.

Yeah, cause nothing scares the opposition more than tough talk that you can't back up!

 

[BikeCentric]

Yeah, good point.

Oh Sweet Jesus it's another sock puppet. I've been trolled by BPC yet again.

 

[Sprocket01]

No only the Lance fanboys were surprised and Liggett. Actually watch cycling for the entire season, you shouldn't have been surprised. Your thinking is naive, realists knew who the power man on the road was. That was evident after the prologue and beyond dispute after Arcalis and Verbier.

I'm sorry, what was I supposed to be surprised about? That Contador was the favourite? No, wasn't surprised about this at all. However I didn't think he would break all ToF power records and beat Cancellara in the time trial. I don't think most observers of the sport, who have been watching the racing throughout the season, knew that was going to happen. Nothing odd about this.

BPC do you know when to stop? Levi and Kloden are younger than Lance.

But they haven't been out for four years, ding bat!

 

[BikeCentric]

I'm sorry, what was I supposed to be surprised about? That Contador was the favourite? No, wasn't surprised about this at all. However I didn't think he would break all ToF power records and beat Cancellara in the time trial. I don't think most observers of the sport, who have been watching the racing throughout the season, knew that was going to happen. Nothing odd about this.



But they haven't been out for four years, ding bat!

Post the proof that Contador "broke all TDF power records" or this is just another one of your many lies.

 

[Sprocket01]

Unless you were talking about drug improvements...wrong forum.

Yeah I'm really liking the Road Racing forum where we don't have to get into all that endless crap. I don't know why I didn't go in here before.

 

[Sprocket01]

Post the proof that Contador "broke all TDF power records" or this is just another one of your many lies.

Nice chart shows it:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ua8ycqfc4...AABoU/CerjH1hJR2o/s1600-h/Top+climbs+list.gif

Armstrong also admitted it during the tour. He said Contador was producing power even he did not at his height.

Of course, it's probably a subject for the other forum....

 

[BikeCentric]

Nice chart shows it:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ua8ycqfc4...AABoU/CerjH1hJR2o/s1600-h/Top+climbs+list.gif

Armstrong also admitted it during the tour. He said Contador was producing power even he did not at his height.

Of course, it's probably a subject for the other forum....

Where's the power data?

Your chart simply shows climbing rate in meters per hour which does not take into account slope gradient, head winds, race tactics which dicate rider pace, rider weight which would affect power output and other factors.

If you are going to make the claim that Contador "broke all power output records" then you need to prove it.

 

[Sprocket01]

Where's the power data?

It's not a precise business of course. This article covers it....

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-2009-contador-climb.html

 

[Anonymous]

I seem to remember Lance sitting on Wiggins' wheel when Contador attacked in the alps. He was the perfect lieutenant keeping watch on the threat. He didn't make a move until he was sure Wiggins couldn't follow his wheel. Then he did the Lance kick and made up time on AC.

He seemed much stronger than some of the idiots on here suggest. He also seemed loyal to me by not following AC's attack and instead watching Wiggins.

Armstrong haters sure have selective memories.

They sure do !!

And let's no forget that in 2007 LEVI LEIPHEIMER wore the numero uno for Discovery Channel, and Alberto Contador wore the numero duo, yet he attacked his team leader repeatedly....

So, IMO, Levi will want to beat AC just as much as LA does. So, I honestly think these two will be equally happy if the podium is LL, AC, LA OR LA, AC, LL.

These two yanks do not like contador. After all the antics of the last 3 years, he has not given them an inch to play with. And without Bruyneel speaking spanish to him over the radio, he won't know which rider to chase down. Can AC speak French with the new manager?

Levi has been 2nd and 3rd to AC on two separate GTs. Lance has been 3rd. Kloden got attacked by AC in stage 17 ruining his podium chance.. All these 3 have a reason to beat AC. And when i say beat i mean - do not let AC win the tour. Of course Lance is the no#1 priority, but when Levi signed with Radioshack, he said in his interview, i want to win the tour in 2010, and i need to be on radioshack to do that.

I love AC's riding ability, but he has burnt his bridge with his former teammates by embarrassing them on the road (purely becoz he is a superior rider), so I think the goal of team radioshack is not for lance to go one-on-one with AC, becoz that would be stupid. They optimal strategy is to go THREE-on-ONE

Radioshack can only beat AC the way CSC beat Cadel Evans. Cadel had no idea in 2008 who to follow, despite being the number one favourite in the race. On alpe d;huez he was unsure whether to chase sastre, or frank, and even got sucked in by andy, valverde and VDV at times. Again in 2007, Cadel was one of the strongest, but the one-two tactics with AC and LL left him reeling... To beat the favourite, you have to gang up on him with at least a one-two punch strategy of co-leadership Especially when he is as strong as AC.

This is the only way to beat AC. He is yet to win a GT without the support of the best stage race team in the modern era, and whilst I think he is still the number one favourite for the 2010 tour, it is going to be so hard to follow all the attacks from the up-and-comers, and the old farts with one year left.

That said, AC could just be the first to attack and leave them in his wake...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No offence but I don't think you understand sport very well. That was all part of the psychological warfare. But I'm sure LA knew the odds were not in his favour.

No offence - but I dont think you understand Armstrong very well.

"I'll kick their asses,"
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/ar...-joke-of-a-tour/2009/06/26/1245961404480.html

 

[Anonymous]

I seem to remember Lance sitting on Wiggins' wheel when Contador attacked in the alps. He was the perfect lieutenant keeping watch on the threat. He didn't make a move until he was sure Wiggins couldn't follow his wheel. Then he did the Lance kick and made up time on AC.

He seemed much stronger than some of the idiots on here suggest. He also seemed loyal to me by not following AC's attack and instead watching Wiggins.

Armstrong haters sure have selective memories.

Hey man, in case you didn't hear, Armstrong came in 3rd. I seem to remember his face at the top of the climb in the TT compared to AC's and, well, it wasn't even close. AC could have put 5 or 6 more minutes into him over the course of the Tour if he had wanted.

Fanboys and their fantasies.

 

[Anonymous]

They sure do !!

And let's no forget that in 2007 LEVI LEIPHEIMER wore the numero uno for Discovery Channel, and Alberto Contador wore the numero duo, yet he attacked his team leader repeatedly....

So, IMO, Levi will want to beat AC just as much as LA does. So, I honestly think these two will be equally happy if the podium is LL, AC, LA OR LA, AC, LL.

These two yanks do not like contador. After all the antics of the last 3 years, he has not given them an inch to play with. And without Bruyneel speaking spanish to him over the radio, he won't know which rider to chase down. Can AC speak French with the new manager?

Levi has been 2nd and 3rd to AC on two separate GTs. Lance has been 3rd. Kloden got attacked by AC in stage 17 ruining his podium chance.. All these 3 have a reason to beat AC. And when i say beat i mean - do not let AC win the tour. Of course Lance is the no#1 priority, but when Levi signed with Radioshack, he said in his interview, i want to win the tour in 2010, and i need to be on radioshack to do that.

I love AC's riding ability, but he has burnt his bridge with his former teammates by embarrassing them on the road (purely becoz he is a superior rider), so I think the goal of team radioshack is not for lance to go one-on-one with AC, becoz that would be stupid. They optimal strategy is to go THREE-on-ONE

Radioshack can only beat AC the way CSC beat Cadel Evans. Cadel had no idea in 2008 who to follow, despite being the number one favourite in the race. On alpe d;huez he was unsure whether to chase sastre, or frank, and even got sucked in by andy, valverde and VDV at times. Again in 2007, Cadel was one of the strongest, but the one-two tactics with AC and LL left him reeling... To beat the favourite, you have to gang up on him with at least a one-two punch strategy of co-leadership Especially when he is as strong as AC.

This is the only way to beat AC. He is yet to win a GT without the support of the best stage race team in the modern era, and whilst I think he is still the number one favourite for the 2010 tour, it is going to be so hard to follow all the attacks from the up-and-comers, and the old farts with one year left.

That said, AC could just be the first to attack and leave them in his wake...

No, he did that this year. Any team can ferry water bottles for most of a stage.

 

[BikeCentric]

It's not a precise business of course. This article covers it....

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/07/tour-2009-contador-climb.html

No it doesn't. That article merely shows that your claim is "not precise."

Caught in a lie yet again.

 

[Sprocket01]

No offence - but I dont think you understand Armstrong very well.

"I'll kick their asses,"
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/ar...-joke-of-a-tour/2009/06/26/1245961404480.html

Your link doesn't work but, such talk is not just for the opponent. You have to tell yourself this crap as well if you've even got a hope of doing something.