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What hppens if/when Levi & Klodi are strong than Tex in 2010 TdF?

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Now to answer the thread title, another thread that has been hijacked by BPC.

Levi and Andreas will be at least equal to Lance next year. Both will be given a minor race to whet their appetite of winning a race. Levi, the Tour of California and Andreas perhaps the Tour of Luxembourg or Austria, maybe Terrino Aldretico. This will be all the team will win, with the odd ITT win by Levi and Andreas. Lance's MTB and triathlon forays don't count for team effort.

I suspect the tour will become very nasty on the road, physical and shoving, blocking, etc, after Contador walks out of the Alps with 2-3 minutes on the best placed Shack rider (they'll know the tour is over but singa different tune to the public). Someone will say something to the press and one of the sock puppet riders (really a fanboy) will rush to the defense of the noble RadioShack, declaring it has nothing to do with the Shack and is unsubstantiated and that he saw someone else instigating the dirty acts...it will all be a lie. However the media will be bombarded with talk of 'positive attitudes' and 'a long way to Paris.' The naughty Berty will then spank the Shack riders senseless in the Pyrenees and a very frustrated Levi and Andreas will be simmering at the collars having to tug Lance up the hills in a futile but determined manner. Maybe Bruyneel will pull up next to Lance and give him a shove. The temper tantrems! I'd hate to be a domestique when this happens, they'll all cop it.

You see its about perception, when the $h!t really does hit the fan for the Shack, which it rightfully should, the team will engage in a PR effort to direct the publics attention away from all the grandstanding and ego filled bile that Lance had coughed up in the prior 6 months, showtalk and gamesmanship that he will demonstrate he could not physically manage to pull off against Schleck, let alone Contador. Liggett will find a way to attack Contador and defend Lance (he will be portrayed as a victim of bullying).

As for Levi and Andreas...when you sell your soul you get peanuts in return. No sympathy here. I just hope Levi stays on his bike and doesn't knock others off like this year.

Sprocket01...it is foolish to engage in psychological warfare when you know the odds are not in your favour. If you can't back up what you are saying, even to the smallest degree, you are in line for a hiding. Thanks for once again demonstrating your cognitive failings and those of your hero.
 

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BikeCentric said:
No it doesn't. That article merely shows that your claim is "not precise."

Caught in a lie yet again.

That's a bit unfair. It goes onto say that, even after factoring in all the caveats, it is still a record. All the other famous power numbers, from Pantani and the like, are estimated in the same way.

Whoops, managed to respond to the wrong person. I've corrected it.
 
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That's a bit unfair. It goes onto say that, even after factoring in all the caveats, it is still a record. All the other famous power numbers, from Pantani and the like, are estimated in the same way.

Whoops, managed to respond to the wrong person. I've corrected it.

You claimed that Contador "broke all TDF power records," but then you post VAM guesswork crap with zero supporting data of his actual power output. Unless you have his PowerTap or SRM data you don't have jack to base your claims on. Now STFU and stop spewing your crap.
 

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Sprocket01 said:
Your link doesn't work but, such talk is not just for the opponent. You have to tell yourself this crap as well if you've even got a hope of doing something.
The link doesnt work because it contains a very very bad word (ass)

It was from the Wilcockson intereview:
"I'll kick their asses," he told author John Wilcockson in a conversation soon after last year's Tour while discussing his planned comeback. "The Tour was a bit of a joke this year. I've got nothing against Sastre … or Christian Vande Velde. Christian's a nice guy, but finishing fifth in the Tour de France? Come on!"
 

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You claimed that Contador "broke all TDF power records," but then you post VAM guesswork crap with zero supporting data of his actual power output. Unless you have his PowerTap or SRM data you don't have jack to base your claims on. Now STFU and stop spewing your crap.

You're still being unfair. I never said I had cast iron proof and access to all the power data from Contador's bike. Somehow I don't think he will be releasing that. But it is widely accepted amongst close watchers of the sport that Contador broke the power record this year. There is no PowerTap data for the records he beat either. Are you claiming they are all wrong?

I'm surprised you missed the controversy about it during the Tour when Greg Lemond spoke out about it. But there you go.
 
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The link doesnt work because it contains a very very bad word (ass)

It was from the Wilcockson intereview:
"I'll kick their asses," he told author John Wilcockson in a conversation soon after last year's Tour while discussing his planned comeback. "The Tour was a bit of a joke this year. I've got nothing against Sastre … or Christian Vande Velde. Christian's a nice guy, but finishing fifth in the Tour de France? Come on!"

http://www.tinyurl.com

You can copy and paste the link there and get a url that works.
 
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I seem to remember Lance sitting on Wiggins' wheel when Contador attacked in the alps. He was the perfect lieutenant keeping watch on the threat. He didn't make a move until he was sure Wiggins couldn't follow his wheel. Then he did the Lance kick and made up time on AC.

He seemed much stronger than some of the idiots on here suggest. He also seemed loyal to me by not following AC's attack and instead watching Wiggins.

Armstrong haters sure have selective memories.

What is it with the Armstrong groupies always trying to rewrite histroy?

When AC attacked Armstrong was sitting on Frank Schelck's wheel. Andy came around him to chase AC, Armstrong stood and tried to follow Andy but could not.

Armstrong then was dropped from the group. Wiggens and Nibali dropped him. The Hog then got on the radio and told Kloden to drop back and pace old man Armstrong up the climb. Kloden sacrificed a spot on the podium to pace Armstrong up the climb. Armstrong lost 30 seconds to Wiggens, he did not "Kick and make time up on AC"

Before you call people idiots you should actually know what you are talking about. Especially when it is all on video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwUlVheoBhg&feature=related
 
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Bag_O_Wallet said:
What hppens if/when Levi & Klodi are strong than Tex in 2010 TdF?

Their careers in cycling after retirement will be ended with one phonecall?

I jest :D (Klodi could get work in Germany regardless)
 

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Dr. Maserati said:
The link doesnt work because it contains a very very bad word (ass)

It was from the Wilcockson intereview:
"I'll kick their asses," he told author John Wilcockson in a conversation soon after last year's Tour while discussing his planned comeback. "The Tour was a bit of a joke this year. I've got nothing against Sastre … or Christian Vande Velde. Christian's a nice guy, but finishing fifth in the Tour de France? Come on!"

This backs up the mentality that I think led him to want to come back. The 2008 tour was a closely fought battle but there was no fireworks. It's very easy to see how Armstrong could have thought the standard wasn't what it used to be. Of course he knew Contador would be coming back, but only the year before did Contador nip Evans to take the victory, so he probably wasn't too concerned about him either at that stage.

Of course, in the event Armstrong did kick Evans and Sastre's a***.
 

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I seem to remember Lance sitting on Wiggins' wheel when Contador attacked in the alps. He was the perfect lieutenant keeping watch on the threat. He didn't make a move until he was sure Wiggins couldn't follow his wheel. Then he did the Lance kick and made up time on AC.

He seemed much stronger than some of the idiots on here suggest. He also seemed loyal to me by not following AC's attack and instead watching Wiggins.

Armstrong haters sure have selective memories.

Yes I remember this very well. Some other posters are thinking of a different climb when they dispute it.
 
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Yes I remember this very well. Some other posters are thinking of a different climb when they dispute it.

And I remember Armstrong coming in a distant 3rd very clearly. Some other posters are thinking of another race when they dispute it.
 

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Sprocket01 said:
No offence but I don't think you understand sport very well. That was all part of the psychological warfare. But I'm sure LA knew the odds were not in his favour

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This backs up the mentality that I think led him to want to come back. The 2008 tour was a closely fought battle but there was no fireworks. It's very easy to see how Armstrong could have thought the standard wasn't what it used to be. Of course he knew Contador would be coming back, but only the year before did Contador nip Evans to take the victory, so he probably wasn't too concerned about him either at that stage.

Of course, in the event Armstrong did kick Evans and Sastre's a***.
Just to clarify - did LA return and know that the odds were stacked against him as you suggest in your original post.
Or did he return because he "thought the standard wasnt what it used to be" as you suggest in the second?
 
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Yes I remember this very well. Some other posters are thinking of a different climb when they dispute it.

Yeah I know that other climb where armstrong was a great team mate and didnt get dropped, it was up The Col de Neverfarkinghappened.
 

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Dr. Maserati said:
Just to clarify - did LA return and know that the odds were stacked against him as you suggest in your original post.
Or did he return because he "thought the standard wasnt what it used to be" as you suggest in the second?

Thanks for asking me that.

I think when he was watching the 2008 tour he genuinely thought he could win the tour again, but he will not have been certain even at that point, having spent such a long time out and his age. But he was willing to give it a shot. But after breaking his collar bone, seeing the form of the top riders during the Giro, and then finally seeing Contador's form at the first time trial, I think he knew the odds were not in his favour.
 
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yeah i know that other climb where armstrong was a great team mate and didnt get dropped, it was up the col de neverfarkinghappened.

Hilarious!!!
 

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Yeah I know that other climb where armstrong was a great team mate and didnt get dropped, it was up The Col de Neverfarkinghappened.

Kloden and Wiggins were dropped twice by Armstrong during the last week. He's refering to one of those, not early one when Kloden was pacing him.
 
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Hilarious!!!

No I'm super cereal.

The Col de Neverfarkinghappened is a magic climb 63 kms long, av gradient 25% some sections are vertical. Its definitely the hardest climb in the Land of Make Believe.

Armstrong is the only person Man enough to tackle this climb.
 

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Thanks for asking me that.

I think when he was watching the 2008 tour he genuinely thought he could win the tour again, but he will not have been certain even at that point, having spent such a long time out and his age. But he was willing to give it a shot. But after breaking his collar bone, seeing the form of the top riders during the Giro, and then finally seeing Contador's form at the first time trial, I think he knew the odds were not in his favour.

So - why the sad face on the podium?

Or was it that after he "genuinely thought he could win again" he then "knew the odds were stacked against him" ....but then thought he could genuinely win it again?
 
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Kloden and Wiggins were dropped twice by Armstrong during the last week. He's refering to one of those, not early one when Kloden was pacing him.

No, you are referring to the stage when Armstrong did bridge back up on an easier slope...then everyone else who was behind did also. What you guys describe never happened because Lance didn't successfully keep anyone important out of the lead group in the long run. All he did was waste energy doing something everyone else did eventually with less "hey look at me." Now, later, Wiggins was dropped and paced by VDV, but that was AFTER they regained contact after The Uniballer's bridge.

Fantasy land indeed.
 
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Kloden and Wiggins were dropped twice by Armstrong during the last week. He's refering to one of those, not early one when Kloden was pacing him.

Was that in the stage 13 from the Land of Make believe to The Blond Chick who looked a bit like Lances mum? Cos he smoked them all in that one.
 
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So - why the sad face on the podium?

Or was it that after he "genuinely thought he could win again" he then "knew the odds were stacked against him" ....but then thought he could genuinely win it again?

I love that face...unfortunately, I think that will be the last time we will see it on a podium of the TdF. Next time we will have to watch it when he is being interviewed by Bob Roll after the race.
 
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You're still being unfair. I never said I had cast iron proof and access to all the power data from Contador's bike. Somehow I don't think he will be releasing that. But it is widely accepted amongst close watchers of the sport that Contador broke the power record this year. There is no PowerTap data for the records he beat either. Are you claiming they are all wrong?

Now you claim that it's "widely accepted amongst close watchers of the sport that Contador broke the power record this year" and yet you still don't have any proof of your original claim of this record breaking power output.

Now that you've failed to support your first lie, do you want to try to post some links supporting this new "widely accepted" lie?
 

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Was that in the stage 13 from the Land of Make believe to The Blond Chick who looked a bit like Lances mum? Cos he smoked them all in that one.

There was the stage when Contador attacked the Schleck brothers and blew up Kloden. Armstrong was back with Wiggins. LA had waited when AC and co first attacked. He stayed with Wiggins and then attacked himself, passing Kloden on the way. I'm sure that was the stage he was refering to.

LA also dropped Kloden and Wiggins on the Mont Ventoux.