::::~ Wheelbuilders thread ~::::

[rph1960]

Can't wait

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

To all those out there contacting me about building them low spoke count race wheels for daily use, don't bother tracking me down and wasting my time and yours. Other wheel builders may do it for you, I will not. Most people need to spoke up, but they want to look the part more than anything, once again, I'm not your guy.

 

[kuoirad]

To all those out there contacting me about building them low spoke count race wheels for daily use, don't bother tracking me down and wasting my time and yours. Other wheel builders may do it for you, I will not. Most people need to spoke up, but they want to look the part more than anything, once again, I'm not your guy.

When the time comes that I finally feel I'm riding enough to warrant new handbuilt wheels, I'll be coming your way and asking for 32's.

Though you might have to put up with me asking for less expensive Shimano (Ultegra or disc-equiv) hubs and clinchers.

 

[Llewellyn]

To all those out there contacting me about building them low spoke count race wheels for daily use, don't bother tracking me down and wasting my time and yours. Other wheel builders may do it for you, I will not. Most people need to spoke up, but they want to look the part more than anything, once again, I'm not your guy.

I fitted my sexy wheels that Giuseppe built for me (32 spokers ) to my bike yesterday, and they look hot, hot, hot

32 spokes is the way to go people!!

 

[L29205]

To all those out there contacting me about building them low spoke count race wheels for daily use, don't bother tracking me down and wasting my time and yours. Other wheel builders may do it for you, I will not. Most people need to spoke up, but they want to look the part more than anything, once again, I'm not your guy.

I have never understood the logic of dropping a couple of grand on a daily set of wheels. All you need is a simple hand built wheel that can last you for years. Probably, around a $500 - 750 for rims, hubs and an "okay" builder. I know people have an issue with race wheels that are only used now and again. But that is the life, it doesn't matter if I go way back to my youth I was running Mavic GEL 280 28 spoke doubled butte 15-16 at a hundred a 125 LBS the wheel builder put it out there as the limit. He knew what he was proposing, it was an extreme race only wheel (also taught me how to build wheels). Daily use, you're job is never to be in shop ever. Simply split the cost of a Daily and a Race at a 75/25 to race or just drive the stock wheels into the ground and get a set of race wheels. Give up on one set of wheels if you are serious if not ask for a nice set of wheels that can last you for as long as you have the current drive train.

 

[42x16ss]

I have never understood the logic of dropping a couple of grand on a daily set of wheels. All you need is a simple hand built wheel that can last you for years.

But then everyone else will be all blinged up and you won't!!!

It's disturbing how many people get offended when you try and explain that their high profile, low spoke count, carbon clinchers aren't intended for daily use - until they break a spoke or crack a rim

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

In the last couple weeks I've had a rash of some half dozen people telling me what they "want" (how rude btw), and "prefer". They all weren't $3K worth of ENVE wheels, those were the easy ones to say no to, idiots. About half were disputing my hole count and lacing recommendations for everyday sets. I do custom only, understand that sometimes I have to tell people what they don't want to hear, but arguing with me over 4 spokes, that's 26 f-ing grams silly!!!! Roadies make me crazy sometimes, and I'm devoted for life man, but this can get outta hand with the whole entitlement crap. Never used to be that way, I blame it on carbon and Lance..

 

[42x16ss]

In the last couple weeks I've had a rash of some half dozen people telling me what they "want" (how rude btw), and "prefer". They all weren't $3K worth of ENVE wheels, those were the easy ones to say no to, idiots. About half were disputing my hole count and lacing recommendations for everyday sets. I do custom only, understand that sometimes I have to tell people what they don't want to hear, but arguing with me over 4 spokes, that's 26 f-ing grams silly!!!! Roadies make me crazy sometimes, and I'm devoted for life man, but this can get outta hand with the whole entitlement crap. Never used to be that way, I blame it on carbon and Lance..

But it's all about the lightest, brightest, flashiest gear - everyone knows that

Just remind people that the weight difference between a 24 spoke wheel and a 32 spoke wheel is less than a good swig out of their water bottle. If that doesn't work tell them they'll notice more difference if they drop half a kg.

 

[L29205]

Well there are many things I lay at the foot of Lance but this is probably not one of them get the sarcasm however. As for carbon I agree (sorry Steve and Ann Hed but you started it all). And roadies they are a bunch of whiny B1tches that want to be seen and not do. Simple wheels 32 spokes 3x with a good hub and a solid rim. It may weigh 300 grams more than something more exotic but it will get you home day in day out.

I only do maybe 12 to 15 sets of wheels per year these days. But I do make them on my terms and sometimes "no" is the only thing you can tell people since there will be damage to your own reputation which is what keeps small custom builders in business (not that is much of a business but it keeps the sales tax license in place so I can Buy wholesale )

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

But it's all about the lightest, brightest, flashiest gear - everyone knows that

Just remind people that the weight difference between a 24 spoke wheel and a 32 spoke wheel is less than a good swig out of their water bottle. If that doesn't work tell them they'll notice more difference if they drop half a kg.

People just don't understand that I won't build them everyday wheel sets at the threshold of being durable enough for their weight. This was a weird string of people this late in the season too, all road requests mixed in with all the CX I'm doing now. Never happened before.

Funny! I tell a lot of people to actually use the drops of their bars instead of riding on the hoods and tops all the time. You up your average speed quite a bit by getting your chest out of the way. Problem is most people don't stretch and they're not limber enough to get down there and hold it for any amount of time, so they have to try and make it up with wheels that don't suit them at all. Don't call me!!!

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Well there are many things I lay at the foot of Lance but this is probably not one of them get the sarcasm however. As for carbon I agree (sorry Steve and Ann Hed but you started it all). And roadies they are a bunch of whiny B1tches that want to be seen and not do. Simple wheels 32 spokes 3x with a good hub and a solid rim. It may weigh 300 grams more than something more exotic but it will get you home day in day out.

I only do maybe 12 to 15 sets of wheels per year these days. But I do make them on my terms and sometimes "no" is the only thing you can tell people since there will be damage to your own reputation which is what keeps small custom builders in business (not that is much of a business but it keeps the sales tax license in place so I can Buy wholesale )

I wasn't being sarcastic about the Lance effect. He was a d0uche before cancer, people seem to forget that. In the mid 90's the demographic changed with a bunch of wannabe Lance's popping up all over the place, along with the $carbon$ effect. Pre-Lance cycling was a pleasure, the d0uchebaggary was at a minimum.

A note about HED. They didn't really get their claws into the road scene until Lance came along. HED's early years were marketed and made for Tri-dorks, another Lance connection. Their hubs were notoriously bad, I was at HED HQ quite a bit being only 4 miles from my home at the time. I saw room full of disintegrated warranty hubs, flanges, bearings. HED tried for years to resolve their hub issue, which didn't come until early 2000's and a total redesign.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interbike-2012-tech-new-and-surprising-offerings-from-chris-king

"rear hub spacing is the now-standard 135mm"!

Guess I'll be rocking the new R45 ISO Campy version until Alchemy figures this out. Having worked with them and know the rate at which they move, slow, another year probably till they come with an answer.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Not sure if the production model of King's R45 ISO front hub will be convertible to a 15mm thru axle, but it should. Wink-wink CK. make it happen!

 

[Benotti69]

I want to see more wheel porn pics please.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

I want to see more wheel porn pics please.

Ok, you asked for it. Topless only..

 

[Benotti69]

Ok, you asked for it. Topless only..

fantastico

although more wheels less spare tyres

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Yikes

Put yer shirt on...thought you had some big $$ truing stand with all the bells(gauges) and whistles??

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Put yer shirt on...thought you had some big $$ truing stand with all the bells(gauges) and whistles??

Hey, anything I can do to liven up this place! What happened to the forum this year, seems like a ghost town? This thread gets something like 100+ views a day but we're the only ones that post. B O R I N G ! ! ! !

No, I said I was considering the Centrimaster or the P&K. Haven't decided yet, will probably purchase one or the other this Winter, then the Park stand will be relegated to gluing tubulars.

 

[Barracuda]

Hey, anything I can do to liven up this place! What happened to the forum this year, seems like a ghost town? This thread gets something like 100+ views a day but we're the only ones that post. B O R I N G ! ! ! !

No, I said I was considering the Centrimaster or the P&K. Haven't decided yet, will probably purchase one or the other this Winter, then the Park stand will be relegated to gluing tubulars.

Whats the wheel on the stand ... im going blind i think .... the black with the white spokes wouldd look nice on my SST

 

[TexPat]

Put yer shirt on...thought you had some big $$ truing stand with all the bells(gauges) and whistles??

Someone get me some eyebleach, stat!
And get GM a chest wax.

(BTW you look a bit like Michele Ferrari)

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interbike-2012-tech-new-and-surprising-offerings-from-chris-king

"rear hub spacing is the now-standard 135mm"!

Guess I'll be rocking the new R45 ISO Campy version until Alchemy figures this out. Having worked with them and know the rate at which they move, slow, another year probably till they come with an answer.

What is your experience with the CK Campy hubs so far? I heard their first hubs a few years ago where not that good but the R45's are impressive. Good weight/price

 

[Bustedknuckle]

What is your experience with the CK Campy hubs so far? I heard their first hubs a few years ago where not that good but the R45's are impressive. Good weight/price

Still too complicated for my taste, and not inexpensive.

I think Record or DA still better choices(with the understanding that Record is only black and 32h).

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

What is your experience with the CK Campy hubs so far? I heard their first hubs a few years ago where not that good but the R45's are impressive. Good weight/price

The first incarnations of the King road hubs were pretty bad. Biggest changes were swapping out those lame needle bearings that you would find in crappy Mavic hubs, they now use a proprietary cartridge bearing that is way more durable. The biggest turn-off about Kings was the noise, that incessant whirring you get freewheeling a 45 point drive ring. It was titanium, now steel, more durable and much quieter freewheeling. People still love that instant engagement though.

When you get into the $500-$600 range for a hub set I still think the Alchemy ELF/ORC is the best, but as you may or may not know they are going through a redesign, which I'm getting conflicting stories about when they will be done. Have heard from 2-6 months to production, but they are better by design than pretty much everything out there.

 

[JayKosta]

clincher training tire duability & reliability

Any guidelines on clincher training tire reliability & durability for a 170 pound rider?
For example, after people have tried 23/25/28 mm tires, is there a tire weight that they end-up buying & using?
I'm currently riding wire bead 28mm Conti (old Weinmann A124 rims), and need to replace the tires soon.

It seems that new bike often come with some flavor of 23mm tires, but what are people happy with as replacements.

Jay Kosta
Endwell NY USA

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Any guidelines on clincher training tire reliability & durability for a 170 pound rider?
For example, after people have tried 23/25/28 mm tires, is there a tire weight that they end-up buying & using?
I'm currently riding wire bead 28mm Conti (old Weinmann A124 rims), and need to replace the tires soon.

It seems that new bike often come with some flavor of 23mm tires, but what are people happy with as replacements.

Jay Kosta
Endwell NY USA

Not the right thread, lot's of other tire related threads that this could go to. Nonetheless, we're the same weight and I also use 28mm Conti Contacts everyday. There's really no reason to switch brands, you're already rolling the best rubber. Tire size vs. rider weight vs. performance is debatable to no end, ultimately you ride what's most comfortable and durable for daily use, not lightest or fastest, again a debatable notion. 23 is the standard because it's by far the most widely used size to train and race on, and they are produced something like 5:1 of any other common road size.

A common mistake people do when matching tires to wheels is overshooting the rim width if they prefer a wider tire. The closer your tire width is to the outer width measurement of the rim, the better the tire will perform. If your rims are the common 19-20mm wide, you'd actually be better off with a 23 or 25 wide tire. I use 23mm wide rims because I don't ride anything smaller than a 28 anymore, due to the nature of my rides. I only use paved roads to get to gravel roads.