- Mar 10, 2009
Granville57 said:Allow me. May I have this dance?
To your question, I would offer a resounding, YES! I do think you should ignore some of these things precisely because it is a forum. Especially if you can't see the perspective offered by red_flander's incredibly sane response. If you can't, then perhaps forums that address these issues are not for you. I'm not being condescending—I'm totally serious. It's an internet forum. That's all it is.
Are the people who are in a position to make career and/or life-altering decisions about these things seeking advice and information from The Clinic? Or is what goes on here nothing but background noise from a dozen lunatics that are, apparently, looked down upon by other, greater social media outlets and people out there, somewhere, in the real world? Because it can't be both. (The correct answer may even be "other.")
OK, again, it is not my intention to be condescending, but if you have spent more than the sum total of five minutes on the internet, then it is beyond my imagination as to how you could possibly adopt such a black-and-white stance. end quote ]
There is something I feel I am missing here and your response has me pondering it all day.
I have always assumed the forum is full of passionate people that believe doping it ethically and morally wrong. I have never read much support for open racing. All along I thought I was amongst like minded people and was only arguing about Due process and my special form of optimism. My arguments have always been based on the how and proof. I am not a man of faith. I am a man of witness but my idea that this part of the forum is largely populated by persons of strong ethical foundation. Are you suggesting it is actually motivated by ??? what are you suggesting. If it isn't because we care and that we think doping is a problem then why are we here? I disagree with your apology of modern communications. It is so much easier to irreparably and permanently destroy a person with forums and social media that the highest standards of ethical behaviour is critical.
Cyber bulling is credited with several suicides here in BC. Is that your defence of forum behaviour? I don't think so and I don't think my Grandmothers teachings were of no value in this Internet age.
I have always assumed that while I don't arrive at the same conclusion in this discussion that we are all here for the same purpose.
I will state mine. to make cycling a better sport and that all results are achieved fairly and according to all of the rules. I think that doping is cheating and as I have also made clear I believe that for a penalty to be fair it must be applied with due process.
I think you likely agree unless Nothing above applies. It just bothers me that you think I should be more grey and not so black and white. Sorry I thought we all agreed that at least in the clinic doping was black and clean is white?
Of course CH is black in this thread. I have him as grey. seems ironic