Moose McKnuckles said:That's right. Horner is Number One!
Actually, number zero on the suspicion meter. Clean as Froome's palmares before the 2011 Vuelta.
Number one for rider 15, just ask Levi
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Moose McKnuckles said:That's right. Horner is Number One!
Actually, number zero on the suspicion meter. Clean as Froome's palmares before the 2011 Vuelta.
del1962 said:Number one for rider 15, just ask Levi
Orvieto said:Please do not put Giggsy and Horner in the same image. That's an abomination.
The difference between Giggs and Horner is illustrative, however. Giggs visibly slowed as he aged. He hasn't been able to run through an entire defense or blaze down the wings in a decade. He's changed the way he plays in order to stay competitive. Horner, it seems, is getting faster, more explosive, has better endurance. I know which one I believe in.
Moose McKnuckles said:Levi's too busy breaking Strava records and beating up on bike shop employees in local races.
meat puppet said:some proper cowboying was to be expected after the TDF since all rules were clearly out of the window.
BroDeal said:Horner should go for the Giro. Tour routes are never good for someone who cannot time trial well. There is never enough climbing, and the climbs are rather lame compared to the Giro and Vuelta. Plus all the top guys will be targeting the Tour.
Horner should sign for a team with an agreement that he can ride to the Giro.
zlev11 said:have to agree with this. the last two seasons in GT's it seemed like everyone was afraid to go "too fast" and raise suspicion (mainly the first two GT's of 2011, i remember that point being raised around here back then).
Froome proved at the Tour this year that you can go as fast as you want and get away with it no matter how much you beat Armstrong's times by, and have the majority of the cycling media on your side, to boot.
Ride More said:Little Chris Horner
Ripped thru the final corner,
Eating a beet root pie;
He put everyone under his thumb,
And pulled out a plum,
And said 'What a good boy am I
And Armstrong had already won the Tour by Ventoux and on his best time up Ax 3 he was beaten by Roberto Laiseka. Who knows what he could have done if he needed more time.zlev11 said:was referring to his Ventoux and Ax-3 times. he already had the race won by Alpe d'Huez so who knows what he could have done if he needed more time.
Yet Ullrich went all out and was slower than Froome on both climbs...Parker said:And Armstrong had already won the Tour by Ventoux and on his best time up Ax 3 he was beaten by Roberto Laiseka. Who knows what he could have done if he needed more time.
You can't use context to dismiss some performances and then ignore it for others.
robow7 said:So many ways that 3 seconds can disappear.
elduggo said:It will go in the blink of an eye on the Angliru.
Did Horner ride the whole of the Pena Carbaga out of the saddle? Absolutely ridiculous. Heres hoping he does the whole of the Angliru out of the saddle too.
believe people, BELIEVE
oh, and LIVESTRONG, or something
Did he? Did he really? If that was Ullrich at his best why couldn't be beat Laiseka - who catches him then drops him (or Zubeldia on his fastest ascent)? And was he really going full out to catch the 5 minutes he trailled Armstrong by on Ventoux or just riding conservatively watching Beloki?Netserk said:Yet Ullrich went all out and was slower than Froome on both climbs...
Parker said:Did he? Did he really? If that was Ullrich at his best why couldn't be beat Laiseka - who catches him then drops him (or Zubeldia on his fastest ascent)? And was he really going full out to catch the 5 minutes he trailled Armstrong by on Ventoux or just riding conservatively watching Beloki?
And none of these climbs were ridden as time trials, so they are ridden at different tempos and with different tactics. This is something the number crunchers seem to fail to understand.
If you want to compare Armstrong and Froome - compare their very best performances regardless of what climb it was on. Not a top performance by Froome with a mundane one by Armstrong.
Parker said:Did he? Did he really? If that was Ullrich at his best why couldn't be beat Laiseka - who catches him then drops him (or Zubeldia on his fastest ascent)? And was he really going full out to catch the 5 minutes he trailled Armstrong by on Ventoux or just riding conservatively watching Beloki?
And none of these climbs were ridden as time trials, so they are ridden at different tempos and with different tactics. This is something the number crunchers seem to fail to understand.
If you want to compare Armstrong and Froome - compare their very best performances regardless of what climb it was on. Not a top performance by Froome with a mundane one by Armstrong.
Moose McKnuckles said:Pappy for Giro/Tour double next year.
the sceptic said:loool yes. Horner to win 3 gts in a row
The worst part is it wouldnt even surprise me that much