Number one for rider 15, just ask LeviMoose McKnuckles said:That's right. Horner is Number One!
Actually, number zero on the suspicion meter. Clean as Froome's palmares before the 2011 Vuelta.
Number one for rider 15, just ask LeviMoose McKnuckles said:That's right. Horner is Number One!
Actually, number zero on the suspicion meter. Clean as Froome's palmares before the 2011 Vuelta.
Levi's too busy breaking Strava records and beating up on bike shop employees in local races.del1962 said:Number one for rider 15, just ask Levi
and horner beats a bunch of washed out tired pro's after a long season and lost all of his kick and explosive he had earlier in his career not to mention, he's a lot worse in itt too since losing weight over past years. then we have horner getting blown away when he went to europe cleanly in the 90s. I know which one I give the benefit of the doubt for now. football is much more rotten.Orvieto said:Please do not put Giggsy and Horner in the same image. That's an abomination.
The difference between Giggs and Horner is illustrative, however. Giggs visibly slowed as he aged. He hasn't been able to run through an entire defense or blaze down the wings in a decade. He's changed the way he plays in order to stay competitive. Horner, it seems, is getting faster, more explosive, has better endurance. I know which one I believe in.
Levi could ride with Papa next year, but unfortunatley his testimony has made him too many enemies at TrekMoose McKnuckles said:Levi's too busy breaking Strava records and beating up on bike shop employees in local races.
have to agree with this. the last two seasons in GT's it seemed like everyone was afraid to go "too fast" and raise suspicion (mainly the first two GT's of 2011, i remember that point being raised around here back then).meat puppet said:some proper cowboying was to be expected after the TDF since all rules were clearly out of the window.
Horner to Team Scinto! would love to see that, 1-2'ing up the climbs with Santambrogio, fresh off his rescinded ban.BroDeal said:Horner should go for the Giro. Tour routes are never good for someone who cannot time trial well. There is never enough climbing, and the climbs are rather lame compared to the Giro and Vuelta. Plus all the top guys will be targeting the Tour.
Horner should sign for a team with an agreement that he can ride to the Giro.
yeah like froome's ridiculous climb of alpe dhuez in more than 40 minutes... oh wait...zlev11 said:have to agree with this. the last two seasons in GT's it seemed like everyone was afraid to go "too fast" and raise suspicion (mainly the first two GT's of 2011, i remember that point being raised around here back then).
Froome proved at the Tour this year that you can go as fast as you want and get away with it no matter how much you beat Armstrong's times by, and have the majority of the cycling media on your side, to boot.
Good one, but a fitting song already existed:Ride More said:Little Chris Horner
Ripped thru the final corner,
Eating a beet root pie;
He put everyone under his thumb,
And pulled out a plum,
And said 'What a good boy am I
And Armstrong had already won the Tour by Ventoux and on his best time up Ax 3 he was beaten by Roberto Laiseka. Who knows what he could have done if he needed more time.zlev11 said:was referring to his Ventoux and Ax-3 times. he already had the race won by Alpe d'Huez so who knows what he could have done if he needed more time.
Yet Ullrich went all out and was slower than Froome on both climbs...Parker said:And Armstrong had already won the Tour by Ventoux and on his best time up Ax 3 he was beaten by Roberto Laiseka. Who knows what he could have done if he needed more time.
You can't use context to dismiss some performances and then ignore it for others.
It will go in the blink of an eye on the Angliru.robow7 said:So many ways that 3 seconds can disappear.
Is there someone here who thinks he's clean? I've not seen it.elduggo said:It will go in the blink of an eye on the Angliru.
Did Horner ride the whole of the Pena Carbaga out of the saddle? Absolutely ridiculous. Heres hoping he does the whole of the Angliru out of the saddle too.
believe people, BELIEVE
oh, and LIVESTRONG, or something
Did he? Did he really? If that was Ullrich at his best why couldn't be beat Laiseka - who catches him then drops him (or Zubeldia on his fastest ascent)? And was he really going full out to catch the 5 minutes he trailled Armstrong by on Ventoux or just riding conservatively watching Beloki?Netserk said:Yet Ullrich went all out and was slower than Froome on both climbs...
Armstrong and Froome can both eat a big fat one.Parker said:Did he? Did he really? If that was Ullrich at his best why couldn't be beat Laiseka - who catches him then drops him (or Zubeldia on his fastest ascent)? And was he really going full out to catch the 5 minutes he trailled Armstrong by on Ventoux or just riding conservatively watching Beloki?
And none of these climbs were ridden as time trials, so they are ridden at different tempos and with different tactics. This is something the number crunchers seem to fail to understand.
If you want to compare Armstrong and Froome - compare their very best performances regardless of what climb it was on. Not a top performance by Froome with a mundane one by Armstrong.
You're cuteParker said:Did he? Did he really? If that was Ullrich at his best why couldn't be beat Laiseka - who catches him then drops him (or Zubeldia on his fastest ascent)? And was he really going full out to catch the 5 minutes he trailled Armstrong by on Ventoux or just riding conservatively watching Beloki?
And none of these climbs were ridden as time trials, so they are ridden at different tempos and with different tactics. This is something the number crunchers seem to fail to understand.
If you want to compare Armstrong and Froome - compare their very best performances regardless of what climb it was on. Not a top performance by Froome with a mundane one by Armstrong.
loool yes. Horner to win 3 gts in a rowMoose McKnuckles said:Pappy for Giro/Tour double next year.
In the rainbow jersey. On Team Astusha p/b Amgen.the sceptic said:loool yes. Horner to win 3 gts in a row
The worst part is it wouldnt even surprise me that much