When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

[BroDeal]

Michael Rasmussen on Danish tv today

Ha

The larger question I have is what is he doing? Certainly HGh and Test can help an older rider but we all know oxygen vector doping is where it is at. He has been in the US for months. Only went to Spain 3 days before the race. If he is transfusing how does he get the blood bags to Spain? It is not as simple as people think. You need extract 3-4 weeks prior, transfer and store them correctly. We have all read stories about blood doping, none involved transatlantic transport.....well, except maybe Lance on his private jet

If he slammed a bag right after Utah, using the "I was at altitude" defense for the raise in HCT, how does he do so well entering the 3rd week. With the exception of a bad TT he has not lost a step.

Not being able to transfuse because of an inability to get blood from the U.S. to Europe may make Horner the cleanest man in the race. We are on the verge of the first clean GT victory in more than two decades.

P.S. A five percent reduction in weight is the same as a five percent increase in power from EPO when it comes to climbing. Actually it is a bit better. Sky knows this very well.

 

[proffate]

P.S. A five percent reduction in weight is the same as a five percent increase in power from EPO when it comes to climbing. Actually it is a bit better. Sky knows this very well.

I'll bite. Why is that better? 5% reduction in weight is diluted by extra weight of equipment and bike. There is always wind and drive train so 5% reduction in body weight is not a 5% cut to total resistance. But 5% increase in power actually is a 5% increase in power. Better on the flats and still better on the climbs.

 

[Opalius]

Better check the map, and wind direction information, and twitter before coming to any type of decision on that...and check it in with the Brits first as they are the experts on wind direction.

Nibali talking about how there was a headwind on the last mountain: http://feltet.dk/nyheder/nibali_hele_feltet_ville_i_udbrud/

 

[hrotha]

But RR, aren't you failing to take siberias into account?

 

[maltiv]

Nibali talking about how there was a headwind on the last mountain: http://feltet.dk/nyheder/nibali_hele_feltet_ville_i_udbrud/

That picture is ridiculous.

Nibali gritting his teeth while papa Horner looks like he's on a recovery ride...

 

[meat puppet]

u mad, squalo?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Nice pic, starting to like gramps more and more. I hope we will see some fireworks on Pena Cabarga and that overrated 'climb' called Angliru.
Even if he is doping, stellar performance.

 

[webbie146]

lol @ Horner in that picture above, just trolling everyone

 

[IndianCyclist]

This Vuelta has an eerie similarity to the Giro. Breakaways wining. The weather affects the stages in the Giro. Santa is the only person able to follow Nibali in the mountains. We know what happened to Santa. For the Vuelta, substitute Santa with Horner and it might turn out to be a case of deja vu.

 

[Race Radio]

But RR, aren't you failing to take siberias into account?

Thought about that but how long can bags be stored before there is so much damage to the cells? Tyler used to go back and forth to Madrid every month. Chris, supposedly, has been in the US for 5 months. Maybe he flew to Europe to make a "Deposit"?

regardless, he sure is skinny.

 

[sniper]

Thought about that but how long can bags be stored before there is so much damage to the cells? Tyler used to go back and forth to Madrid every month. Chris, supposedly, has been in the US for 5 months. Maybe he flew to Europe to make a "Deposit"?

regardless, he sure is skinny.

epo doesn't require bloodtransfusions anymore, does it?
i thought you could take that orally these days.

 

[hrotha]

RR, it's weird because I thought siberias allowed you to withdraw your blood in the off-season, but then Hamilton, who was paying for that, was still flying to Madrid regularly.

epo doesn't require bloodtransfusions anymore, does it?
i thought you could take that orally these days.

You still need a combination of transfusions and EPO microdosing to make sure your reticulocytes and stuff look normal.

 

[sniper]

You still need a combination of transfusions and EPO microdosing to make sure your reticulocytes and stuff look normal.

ok, makes sense.
(provided you get properly tested, of course)

RR, it's weird because I thought siberias allowed you to withdraw your blood in the off-season, but then Hamilton, who was paying for that, was still flying to Madrid regularly.

i just found online the following wrt bloodstorage times:

At the normal storage standards = 20 days
when freeze dried, plasma = 4 months,
when freeze dried, blood = 2 months
when frozen with liquid nitrogen, cord blood = 15-25 years.
when frozen with liquid nitrogen, blood = 1 year.

 

[Race Radio]

epo doesn't require bloodtransfusions anymore, does it?
i thought you could take that orally these days.

With the new test it is pretty risky to use EPO. Supposedly caught Di Luca and maybe Santebrogio

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13859/New-EPO-test-could-help-stamp-out-microdosing.aspx

The question does not just apply to Chris but many in the upper levels of the sport. What methods are riders using these days? When Puerto came out it surprised few in the sport as many knew transfusions were happening but these days I hear much less detail on the methods riders are using. Likely because they have wised up about talking about them

 

[Race Radio]

ok, makes sense.
(provided you get properly tested, of course)


i just found online the following wrt bloodstorage times:

At the normal storage standards = 20 days
when freeze dried, plasma = 4 months,
when freeze dried, blood = 2 months
when frozen with liquid nitrogen, cord blood = 15-25 years.
when frozen with liquid nitrogen, blood = 1 year.

Note that many of those include preservative that are tested for. Storage also can results in damage to the RBC, as much as 50%. That can lead to a lot of peeing black.

 

[zigmeister]

when Horner was younger European cycling was totally ruled by doping, so if he did show his potential as a GT winner that would strongly suggest doping. Kind of a catch 22 isn't it?

Not that I'm trying to argue that he's clean, but his career arc actually did follow that of a rider who didn't want to dope --- called up to the big leagues from 97-99 but underperformed (due to the advanced level of epo abuse from that era?).

There must be some other illogical reason the clinic will dispute this theory....wait for it...or just read the last 10 pages...there is always a reason, without any evidence of course.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

RR, it's weird because I thought siberias allowed you to withdraw your blood in the off-season, but then Hamilton, who was paying for that, was still flying to Madrid regularly.

You still need a combination of transfusions and EPO microdosing to make sure your reticulocytes and stuff look normal.

Agree, Siberia was my first thought too.

Tyler was only shuttling over every month to Madrid to keep the other bags fresh. With the Siberia freezer he says it would allow him to choose when he did the withdrawals and he would have more BBs during a GT.
It was also mentioned in his book the the loss through freezing was just 10% (of course that was according to Fuentes).

 

[Race Radio]

Better check the map, and wind direction information, and twitter before coming to any type of decision on that...and check it in with the Brits first as they are the experts on wind direction.

A few experts were talking about it on Twitter this morning Grappe, Vayer, and Vetoo

Fred measured wind 1m/s in the back till 2-3km to go, then in the face.

 

[masking_agent]

I certainly hope Andy is watching and learning from Horner. They are team mates after all. Hopefully Andy can now work with the RS doctor(s) to make the necessary adjustments to a newer doping regime and raise his game come 2014.

 

[roundabout]

There must be some other illogical reason the clinic will dispute this theory....wait for it...or just read the last 10 pages...there is always a reason, without any evidence of course.

And then everybody stopped doping in 2005.

Bunch of clean riders right there

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/phot...dex.php?id=stage9/cycling-protour-sui-gonz-76

 

[sniper]

... but these days I hear much less detail on the methods riders are using. Likely because they have wised up about talking about them

that's an interesting point.
it's for instance why a sport like soccer is struck by relatively few ped scandals. most players genuinely don't seem to know/care what treatments they receive.
tennis also, to some extent (cf. delpotro recently talking about the magic pills the doctor gave him during the match, and he didn't know what was in them)

 

[the sceptic]

So is Horner still going to fade in the 3rd week or what?

 

[Race Radio]

So is Horner still going to fade in the 3rd week or what?

If anything he is getting stronger

 

[Dr_Lexus]

I would not understand the suspicion on Horner.

If you think he is doping then they all are.

It is so hard to dope in the modern peloton. Can't see him doing it. Maybe low level stuff like a tue but nothing else.

 

[BroDeal]

I would not understand the suspicion on Horner.

If you think he is doping then they all are.

It is so hard to dope in the modern peloton. Can't see him doing it. Maybe low level stuff like a tue but nothing else.

True. The testing is too good these days. Horner is showing what he can do now that the dopers are gone from the sport.

I really think the fall of Armstrong scared most of the peloton straight. There were still vestiges old ways at the Tour but those ways are declining. There is a good chance that Chris can pull off the first clean GT win since LeMond.