When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

[MacRoadie]

We will have to see how many sign up here with a September join date to rationalize Horner's performance. I am betting there will be damned few.

What are y'all talkin' about? It's September: time for the Aggies and the 'Horns!!!

 

[Zardioni]

Why is there 2000 odd speculative posts in this thread as to whether or not Chris Horner is doping and not a "scintilla" of evidence in any shape make nor form to back up such potentially libelous claims ?. Seriously ?

 

[TomasC]

Why is there 2000 odd speculative posts in this thread as to whether or not Chris Horner is doping and not a "scintilla" of evidence in any shape make nor form to back up such potentially libelous claims ?. Seriously ?

You forgot "scurrilous", otherwise almost perfect!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Why is there 2000 odd speculative posts in this thread as to whether or not Chris Horner is doping and not a "scintilla" of evidence in any shape make nor form to back up such potentially libelous claims ?. Seriously ?

Unsure if this post is serious.

 

[Benotti69]

Why is there 2000 odd speculative posts in this thread as to whether or not Chris Horner is doping and not a "scintilla" of evidence in any shape make nor form to back up such potentially libelous claims ?. Seriously ?

The 'damned few' have arrived.

You forgot Horner 'never tested positive' and 'done too much good'.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Why is there 2000 odd speculative posts in this thread as to whether or not Chris Horner is doping and not a "scintilla" of evidence in any shape make nor form to back up such potentially libelous claims ?. Seriously ?

Add 'old tired disproven allegations' to your next post.. Always a crowd-pleaser.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why is there 2000 odd speculative posts in this thread as to whether or not Chris Horner is doping and not a "scintilla" of evidence in any shape make nor form to back up such potentially libelous claims ?. Seriously ?

Whatever you do, don't go looking for evidence for or against! Not even in the thread. Not even at velorooms in a thread titled "the decanio files."

Yes, yes, I know what you will post. "What? That stuff makes no sense!!! It cannot be true! Who is this bitter hater?" Whatever you do, don't sort out the names mentioned and anti-doping sanctions distributed much later. Don't do that. DeCanio's crazy and bitter like Landis and Lemond. We know they were wrong too.

My gift to you sir-trolls-alot. http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=4167.0

 

[neineinei]

It's certainly possible that he was trying to evade, but there isn't any evidence of that and it does seem very odd that he'd try and evade a test after the race was over having (likely) been tested and (presumably) passed them on the preceding two days.

It is not as if UCI always are testing for what USADA thinks they should be testing for.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...o-Cycling-Challenge-and-other-top-events.aspx

 

[darwin553]

Anyone give Armstrong a reduced sentence if he has anything to reveal on Horner?

 

[hrotha]

Anyone give Armstrong a reduced sentence if he has anything to reveal on Horner?

Just for Horner? No. There's bigger fish to fry, and reduced sentences should only be given for truly significant assistance in the fight against doping.

 

[Ferminal]

Imagine that. Armstrong spilling the beans on the few people who remained loyal, after all his harassment of those who spoke the truth. Don't think it's happening though, by the look of him he's never competing again.

 

[786cycling]

What are y'all talkin' about? It's September: time for the Aggies and the 'Horns!!!

Meh....hockey is right around the corner...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Meh....hockey is right around the corner...

Hockey is around the corner...meh.

 

[TomasC]

My gift to you sir-trolls-alot. http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=4167.0

I wonder how DeCanio feels about Horner's Vuelta win.

 

[Le breton]

horner archaeology

Looking for something else, I found this which is interesting in the current context:
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2010/07/power-outputs-from-tour-de-france.html

 

[ianfra]

Happy to see a clean rider win the Vuelta. You can all make your cheap and snide remarks, but you didn't win. Chris Horner did. Clean! Yippee

 

[SpeedWay]

Why is there 2000 odd speculative posts in this thread as to whether or not Chris Horner is doping and not a "scintilla" of evidence in any shape make nor form to back up such potentially libelous claims ?. Seriously ?

You're a newbie. You haven't read the agenda driven mission statement of the clinic. First offense, using "scintilla" instead of "soupcon". Second, you can issue "libelous claims" at a 140 lbs. "grandpa". Try doing that with old man Kalama and he'd pop the seat cap and stuff you and your crybaby a$$ down the seat mast whole.

 

[Zardioni]

You're a newbie. You haven't read the agenda driven mission statement of the clinic. First offense, using "scintilla" instead of "soupcon". Second, you can issue "libelous claims" at a 140 lbs. "grandpa". Try doing that with old man Kalama and he'd pop the seat cap and stuff you and your crybaby a$$ down the seat mast whole.

I've never read such childish unintellectual rubbish in my entire life. Your just one of the countless cowards who hide behind a pseudonym spouting out nonsense that you would not have the ba@@s to say in real life. What are you doing sitting behind your play station drinking beer expanding your waste line even further. Growing your man boobs. What age are you 16 because from the sounds of things that would seem about the height of it. So quit with the wise cracks and try to have a normal conversation. This forum is for adults not immature children like your self who have no self respect for themselves and attempt to gain a delusional superiority through cowardice and a childish integrity. Pathetic. Pure and utter ignorance.

 

[sublimit]

To quote Zam a lot of kids have turned up recently.
a perfectly good thread to slag Horner and Froome and we get this crap

 

[Zardioni]

To quote Zam a lot of kids have turned up recently.
a perfectly good thread to slag Horner and Froome and we get this crap

Would you like to be in the public eye and have unfounded accusations hurled at you and defamatory remarks. I would guess not.

 

[sittingbison]

Bans are coming up for trolling baits

In future report such posts instead of responding. Because if you give in to the urge and respond to baits with your own baits or insults, prepare for madame guillotine

Bison

 

[silverrocket]

The people making that claim have a very limited understanding of both Horner's career and how pro cycling actually works. Horner has gotten results his entire career, from the very beginning, from his very first year as a pro, and from his first year in Europe.

He underperformed in Europe his first trip there because...]

In his second go-round in Europe, he was always successful--he was just in a position that he was always working as a top domestique. Part of this is that he's a stage race guy who's not a great TT guy. That seriously limited his opions...]

You say people that think Horner didn't get the big results in the past that he is getting now have a "limited understanding" of how "pro cycling actually works". You then proceed to explain why Horner didn't get big results until relatively recently. I'm not sure you made the point you wanted to.

 

[131313]

I think they used the article to clearly suggest there is something untoward. I think that's OK on a forum as it's pretty easy disbelieve the performance given the circumstances but I think a writer has a different level of expectation.

Anyway, not surprising given the history of the sport. They've brought it on themselves. Still I'd have like to have seen better from the writer.

I get where you're coming from on this one. Thing is, I also think context is important--and the context in which the article is framed was mentioned at the beginning: Horner is the last man standing among top US riders who got results during that top-fueled era. Now, at 42 he's still riding at the same level he did during that era. So, it's reasonable to at least ask him about doping...except he refuses to do any interviews if the subject is brought up. Personally, I think the newspaper would be negligent to write a fluff piece without bringing up the subject, and his refusal to discuss it.

 

[131313]

You say people that think Horner didn't get the big results in the past that he is getting now have a "limited understanding" of how "pro cycling actually works". You then proceed to explain why Horner didn't get big results until relatively recently. I'm not sure you made the point you wanted to.

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maybe you just didn't read my post. He had limited opportunity to get big results. When he got the opportunity, he got them.

 

[silverrocket]

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maybe you just didn't read my post. He had limited opportunity to get big results. When he got the opportunity, he got them.

That's exactly the message I got from your post, but aren't you just saying what everybody else is saying: that he didn't get big results for most of his career and suddenly started quite late in his career?

The reason WHY is an entirely other issue, and on that I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your assessment that he had limited opportunity in the past. I remember reading interviews with Horners back when he raced only in the USA, wondering why such a talented guy was not in Europe, and he would describe (back when he guarded his words much less) about how much it sucked in Europe, how he didn't like the people, etc.

I don't know if anyone is really doubting his talent, but history has shown us that even the MOST talented cyclists don't win GTs in their 40s.