Which Teams for World Tour next year?

[nobilis]

Do you know if the rankings of teams taking into account the current transfers is being updated by the Spanish journalist that I can't recall the name? And if so, does someone know a link to it?

 

[Nicosix]

Actually it is exactly what I did and you can find the link at the beginning of this thread.

His ranking was a bit odd and ont really accurate with for exemple Geox sitting in 10th place with more than 700 pts

 

[nobilis]

Actually it is exactly what I did and you can find the link at the beginning of this thread.

His ranking was a bit odd and ont really accurate with for exemple Geox sitting in 10th place with more than 700 pts

oh sorry, that's I was looking for, thx!
I mixed it with another thread about teams for 2012 as well but there was no teams standing so that's why I skipped the first page of the thread, thinking it was the same thread.

I think as you mentioned, that the computations are based on 2010 and 2011. Plus of course, ethical and financial considerations are taken into account.

PS : btw, do you race in France?

 

[nobilis]

It migth be off-topic, but do you think that OPQS would be the team to beat in TTT next year? They have an incredible roster for that discipline.

 

[just some guy]

It migth be off-topic, but do you think that OPQS would be the team to beat in TTT next year? They have an incredible roster for that discipline.

and SKY.............

 

[Nicosix]

Update after today's magnificient win from A.Demare.

FDJ is back in the game for 15th place

1.RadioShack 1587
2.BMC 1443
3.Rabobank 1041
4.Liquigas 981
5.Garmin 949
6.Sky 927
7.Lampre 838
8.Movistar 776
9.Vacansoleil 774
10.Quickstep 731
11.Saxo Bank 685
12.Green Edge 582
13.Katusha 563
14.Lotto 557
15.Astana 550
16.FDJ 540
17.Euskaltel 459
18.Geox - TMC 419
19.Ag2r 412
20.Colnago - CSF 358
21.Cofidis 349
22.Europcar 343
23.Skil 262
24.Androni 213
25.Saur - Sojasun 209

 

[Nicosix]

The Update is also made on the blog.

You also have an update of 2011 U23 ranking and Europe Tour ranking (on the menu on the right side)

http://nicosix.wordpress.com/category/cyclisme/classements-2012/classement-equipes-2012/

 

[greenedge]

Europcar have 3 nice riders in Voeckler, Rolland and Kern. That should be enough to attract any other riders/ get invites to at least 2 GT's.

 

[Zaschrona]

So for now it looks like:

11 teams have already the licence for the next year:
Radioshack
Liquigas
BMC
Vacansoleil
Sky
Lampre
Movistar
Astana
Rabobank
Euskaltel
AG2R

So that opens another 7 places. The best 7 teams from rankings will be really likely and it is really likely that these 7 teams will get the licence as well:
Garmin
Omega Pharma
Saxo Bank
Green Edge
Katusha
Lotto
FDJ

Can I bet on this somewhere?

 

[luckyboy]

Yeah that looks likely.

FDJ vs Geox for the final spot (depending on who leaves Geox). Surprised that neither Cofidis, Europcar nor Skil are in the top 20.

 

[Duartista]

Why are AG2R and Euskaltel guaranteed spots? They are well down in the rankings.

 

[luckyboy]

Their contracts expire at the end of 2012.

Saxo Bank, Katusha, Lotto, QuickStep and Garmin expire at the end of 2011.

AG2R, Euskaltel and Rabobank expire at the end of 2012.

Astana, Movistar, Lampre, Sky and Vacansoleil expire at the end of 2013. Radioshack's was meant to as well.

BMC, Liquigas and Leopard expire at the end of 2014. Also HTC had this contract length.

 

[Duartista]

Their contracts expire at the end of 2012.

Saxo Bank, Katusha, Lotto, QuickStep and Garmin expire at the end of 2011.

AG2R, Euskaltel and Rabobank expire at the end of 2012.

Astana, Movistar, Lampre, Sky and Vacansoleil expire at the end of 2013. Radioshack's was meant to as well.

BMC, Liquigas and Leopard expire at the end of 2014. Also HTC had this contract length.

Thanks. One more question - that being so, why was Vino talking about Astana going down to ProConti without his points?

 

[luckyboy]

I guess if they lost his points they wouldn't be in the top 20.

As far as I undertand it, if your team is in the top 15 then you'll be WorldTour guaranteed. If your team is 16-20 then they are up for consideration for the remaining 3 places. Outside of the top 20 and you can't get in.

So from Nicosix's post, Euskaltel + AG2R aren't in the 15 but they have a contract for next year. If they drop out of the top 20 then their space would be presumably be free The final space will be between FDJ, Geox and Colnago/whoever is in the top 20 at the end of the season.

16.FDJ 540
17.Euskaltel 459
18.Geox - TMC 419
19.Ag2r 412
20.Colnago - CSF 358
21.Cofidis 349
22.Europcar 343
23.Skil 262
24.Androni 213
25.Saur - Sojasun 209

Theoretically it all works out, but the fact some teams have long-term contracts kinda gets in the way of the ranking deciding everything.
I don't think anyone knows what would happen if a team with a contract didn't finish in the top 20. I have no idea.

 

[ingsve]

I guess if they lost his points they wouldn't be in the top 20.

As far as I undertand it, if your team is in the top 15 then you'll be WorldTour guaranteed. If your team is 16-20 then they are up for consideration for the remaining 3 places. Outside of the top 20 and you can't get in.

So from Nicosix's post, Euskaltel + AG2R aren't in the 15 but they have a contract for next year. If they drop out of the top 20 then their space would be presumably be free The final space will be between FDJ, Geox and Colnago/whoever is in the top 20 at the end of the season.

Theoretically it all works out, but the fact some teams have long-term contracts kinda gets in the way of the ranking deciding everything.
I don't think anyone knows what would happen if a team with a contract didn't finish in the top 20. I have no idea.

According to Vaughters on twitter it seems that no one really knows what having an existing license means anymore so I think anything can happen.

 

[Nicosix]

Colnago won't stay in the Top 20 since M.Belletti is leaving the team with his 69 points (Some people say to AG2R or Lampre)

 

[Duartista]

I guess if they lost his points they wouldn't be in the top 20.

As far as I undertand it, if your team is in the top 15 then you'll be WorldTour guaranteed. If your team is 16-20 then they are up for consideration for the remaining 3 places. Outside of the top 20 and you can't get in.

So from Nicosix's post, Euskaltel + AG2R aren't in the 15 but they have a contract for next year. If they drop out of the top 20 then their space would be presumably be free The final space will be between FDJ, Geox and Colnago/whoever is in the top 20 at the end of the season.



Theoretically it all works out, but the fact some teams have long-term contracts kinda gets in the way of the ranking deciding everything.
I don't think anyone knows what would happen if a team with a contract didn't finish in the top 20. I have no idea.

According to Vaughters on twitter it seems that no one really knows what having an existing license means anymore so I think anything can happen.

Glad to see I'm not the only one confused!

As posted in the Transfers thread, AG2R have signed Sohrabi who will bring quite a few points, so they are probably not confident of their place. I hope they actually use him and haven't just signed him to bolster their points tally...

 

[Nicosix]

Update after Worlds :

1.RadioShack 1622
2.BMC 1443
3.Rabobank 1030
4.Liquigas 985
5.Garmin 956
6.Sky 929
7.Lampre 838
8.Movistar 776
9.Vacansoleil 774
10.Quickstep 730
11.Saxo Bank 685
12.Green Edge 583
13.Lotto 580
14.Katusha 558
15.Astana 552
16.FDJ 524
17.Ag2r 503
18.Euskaltel 457
19.Geox - TMC 419
20.Cofidis 349
21.Colnago - CSF 343
22.Europcar 338
23.Skil 262
24.Saur - Sojasun 226
25.Androni 213

Barometer :
+ 53 : Cavendish
+15 : Greipel, Cancellara
+8 : Roelands, Ravard
+7 : Hivert, Farrar
+5 : Levarlet, Sagan, Feillu
+2 : Goss, Boassen Hagen, Bozic

-10 : Pozzovivo, Gallopin , Pinot, Kocjan
-6 : Basso, Boom, Fédrigo, Taborre
-5 : Voeckler, Westra, Belletti, Brutt, Matthews
-2 : S.Sanchez
-1 : Marczinski, Gerdemann, Albasini, Schumacher, Reihs, Terpstra, Degand, McNally

Teams :
Lotto : +23
Saur : +12
AG2R : +8 (and +95 with Sohrabi's signing)
Garmin : +7
RSH : +4
Sky : +2 (et + 55 if Cavendish signs with them)
Astana : +2
Green Edge : +1

OPQS : -1
Liquigas : -1
Vacansoleil : -1
Euskaltel : -2
Europcar : -5
Rabobank : -11
Colnago : -15
FDJ : -16

 

[LaFlorecita]

Update after Worlds :

1.RadioShack 1622
2.BMC 1443
3.Rabobank 1030
4.Liquigas 985
5.Garmin 956
6.Sky 929
7.Lampre 838
8.Movistar 776
9.Vacansoleil 774
10.Quickstep 730
11.Saxo Bank 685
12.Green Edge 583
13.Lotto 580
14.Katusha 558
15.Astana 552
16.FDJ 524
17.Ag2r 503
18.Euskaltel 457
19.Geox - TMC 419
20.Cofidis 349
21.Colnago - CSF 343
22.Europcar 338
23.Skil 262
24.Saur - Sojasun 226
25.Androni 213

Barometer :
+ 53 : Cavendish
+15 : Greipel, Cancellara
+8 : Roelands, Ravard
+7 : Hivert, Farrar
+5 : Levarlet, Sagan, Feillu
+2 : Goss, Boassen Hagen, Bozic

-10 : Pozzovivo, Gallopin , Pinot, Kocjan
-6 : Basso, Boom, Fédrigo, Taborre
-5 : Voeckler, Westra, Belletti, Brutt, Matthews
-2 : S.Sanchez
-1 : Marczinski, Gerdemann, Albasini, Schumacher, Reihs, Terpstra, Degand, McNally

Teams :
Lotto : +23
Saur : +12
AG2R : +8 (and +95 with Sohrabi's signing)
Garmin : +7
RSH : +4
Sky : +2 (et + 55 if Cavendish signs with them)
Astana : +2
Green Edge : +1

OPQS : -1
Liquigas : -1
Vacansoleil : -1
Euskaltel : -2
Europcar : -5
Rabobank : -11
Colnago : -15
FDJ : -16

How can they lose points?!
Edit: stupid, I thought they lost points because of the WC.
Edit2: Wait. Why do some riders lose points? I thought I got it, but I didn't, I guess.

 

[jens_attacks]

europcar will be in because it has shiitloads of money for a french team
geox too.

 

[Nicosix]

How can they lose points?!
Edit: stupid, I thought they lost points because of the WC.
Edit2: Wait. Why do some riders lose points? I thought I got it, but I didn't, I guess.

They lose points because they drop in the Europe Tour ranking.
For instance Pinot loses 10 points from dropping from 18th to 21st and therefore getting 25 points from his ranking instead of 35.

I will edit the new Europe Tour ranking tomorrow on the blog

 

[Nicosix]

New Europe Tour ranking after Worlds

http://nicosix.wordpress.com/category/cyclisme/classements-2012/classement-europe-tour-2011/

 

[Nielsa]

Très bon travail mec!

 

[Nicosix]

New Update after Belletti's signing To AG2R. It changes a lot.

Colnago out of top 20 but they didn't ask for license anyway.

AG2R Back to top 15 where Astana drops out.

It is gonna be very close now with 6 teams for 4 directly qualifying spots and results are gonna be of tremendous importance.

1.RadioShack 1536
2.BMC 1441
3.Rabobank 1030
4.Liquigas 985
5.Garmin 950
6.Sky 929
7.Lampre 838
8.Vacansoleil 784
9.Movistar 776
10.Quickstep 730
11.Saxo Bank 685
12.Green Edge 583
13.Lotto 580
14.Ag2r 567
15.Katusha 558
16.Astana 552
17.FDJ 522
18.Euskaltel 457
19.Geox - TMC 417
20.Cofidis 349
21.Europcar 338
22.Colnago - CSF 279
23.Skil 256
24.Saur - Sojasun 226
25.Androni 203

 

[nobilis]

New Update after Belletti's signing To AG2R. It changes a lot.

Colnago out of top 20 but they didn't ask for license anyway.

AG2R Back to top 15 where Astana drops out.

It is gonna be very close now with 6 teams for 4 directly qualifying spots and results are gonna be of tremendous importance.

1.RadioShack 1536
2.BMC 1441
3.Rabobank 1030
4.Liquigas 985
5.Garmin 950
6.Sky 929
7.Lampre 838
8.Vacansoleil 784
9.Movistar 776
10.Quickstep 730
11.Saxo Bank 685
12.Green Edge 583
13.Lotto 580
14.Ag2r 567
15.Katusha 558
16.Astana 552
17.FDJ 522
18.Euskaltel 457
19.Geox - TMC 417
20.Cofidis 349
21.Europcar 338
22.Colnago - CSF 279
23.Skil 256
24.Saur - Sojasun 226
25.Androni 203

Movistar signing Visconti has really boosted them.
It's sad to see Skil outside the top 20. They really deserve a place in the World Tour.