Who do you trust? LA & JB versus AC & Spanish media AKA Wheel Gate

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Reminds me of the days when every time George W. opened his mouth he enhanced the reputation of America & americans throughout the world.

Ha ha ha... nice one!

The most surprising thing about this thread is that we are still talking about this crap. It's the middle of winter - we are all supposed to be resting up for next year's season. If Lance doesn't watch out, his hands will be so tired from twittering all winter that he won't be able to work his gears next year. Seriously, most teenage girls are more mature than him. Talk about destroying a legacy!
 

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.....and that's what grates Armstrong. He's been telling the world you have to be a pric to win. Contador comes along and is gratious, polite and still wins.

http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009/07/alberto-contador-you-may-not-know.html

There are PLENTY of nice guy winners....

Contador, Big Mig, Zabel, Jan U, Sastre, Bjarne, Mario, Cadel, Fausto - the list goes on and on, there are very many nice guy winners

And yes, there are the prics....

Eddy, Hinault, LeMond, Lance, and a few others I'm sure....

I takes all kinds. Can you provide the links to Lance telling the world that you have to be a pric to win?
 
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There are PLENTY of nice guy winners....

Contador, Big Mig, Zabel, Jan U, Sastre, Bjarne, Mario, Cadel, Fausto - the list goes on and on, there are very many nice guy winners

And yes, there are the prics....

Eddy, Hinault, LeMond, Lance, and a few others I'm sure....

I takes all kinds. Can you provide the links to Lance telling the world that you have to be a pric to win?

Sorry to say that Zabel and Riis are not that nice....But Lemond is
 
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I was just looking at a Graham Watson Tour de France photo gallery at VN. There's a nice shot of Contador racing the final TT. I don't know enough about such things to identify the rear wheel, but the front one clearly says "Hed". Can't you buy wheels directly from Steve Hed? If so, why would Armstrong suggest that people call Trek to see that Contador hadn't bought his own wheels. Is the rear one Bontranger? Are these really the same wheels that the whole squad used, as Bruyneel stated? Happy New Year

http://velonews.competitor.com/2009...s-2009-tour-de-france-gallery_102142?pid=1018
 

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theswordsman said:
why would Armstrong suggest that people call Trek to see that Contador hadn't bought his own wheels.]

Maybe Trek would confirm that Trek wheels were provided for free?

Alberto needs to clarify why he had to pay for Hed or whatever.

Gosh, this is an important issue. Can someone e-mail the AC Fan Club?
I bet they would be nice enough to clear up this burning issue.
 
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Maybe Trek would confirm that Trek wheels were provided for free?

Alberto needs to clarify why he had to pay for Hed or whatever.

Gosh, this is an important issue. Can someone e-mail the AC Fan Club?
I bet they would be nice enough to clear up this burning issue.

Alberto already cleared up why he bought the wheels back in November. It's only come up again because JB and LA think it is critical to clear the air lest anyone think they were d1cks or something. Perhaps you can twit LA and find out why he even brought it up?
 
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Alberto already cleared up why he bought the wheels back in November. It's only come up again because JB and LA think it is critical to clear the air lest anyone think they were d1cks or something. Perhaps you can twit LA and find out why he even brought it up?

Isn't "twit LA" redundant?
 
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Race Radio said:
Cervelo

What do I get?

I said I was almost tempted to give a prize. I didn't say i would, because I suspected there were some triathlon followers roaming the site. However, I expected it to take more than the first guess. How did you know Cervelo (which it is by a massive margin, roughly 60%) was the correct answer?
 
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richwagmn said:
Poor Alberto and Astana, how did they ever beat those other teams in the TT and ITT with such inferior equipment?

Also, who gives a damn what triathletes ride? When a triathlete holds the hour record, then I'll give a damn.

I raised the issue because another poster said Lance's affiliations with Trek and his desire to have a dalliance into Kona would help the brand. Did you read the entire thread? When a bike rider can actually swim or run maybe I'll give a damn. Oh, wait I do. Some of us can separate sports and disciplines. After all, swimming and running have centuries of history. Cycling has what, 110 maybe a little more years of history? Nice try.
 
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L29205 said:
Well, I guess you are a little late in the understanding of tri-geeks. Quintana Roo was the the first of the specialized bikes for the Tri-geeks they brought the 78 Degree seat tube angles and 650c wheels to the market.

Next you are looking at the the average joe going out to do a triathlon. You are not looking at a person whose goal is to get to Kona. That person is willing to spend what ever they have. hey will spend whatever to buy the fastest wheels on the market. I was not talking about Trek when I was bringing this up. I was talking about HED and their marketing.

I distinguished between those differences you mentioned in bold. I said the pro's mostly use Zipp and others, the neo's and wannabes buy what they can afford. A lot hire wheels specifically for an event. Much cheaper than dropping a grand or two on a set of wheels. As for Felt, I was more or less referring to a manufacturer who sponsors a Pro Tour team. Felt started there and expanded. Quintana Roo came onto the scene when I was a kid. Do they sponsor any teams?
 

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Galic Ho said:
I said I was almost tempted to give a prize. I didn't say i would, because I suspected there were some triathlon followers roaming the site. However, I expected it to take more than the first guess. How did you know Cervelo (which it is by a massive margin, roughly 60%) was the correct answer?
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In recent years as in the past, bicycle brands are getting involved more and more in the professional peloton, to the extent that one of them, Cervelo, sponsors one of the strongest groups in international cycling: Carlos Sastre’s team. In 2010, BMC—Evans’ new team—will also be a strong player in the market, and for that reason its competitors are forced to stick to its wheel.

In this context, Specialized’s reaction is perfectly understandable as a company running the risk of falling behind in the battle with rival firms, especially Trek, the other American giant that has been linked from the beginning to Armstrong, Bruyneel and their teams: US Postal, Discovery Channel and especially, Astana.

And so, although Contador has loved the Trek bicycles that he’s used for the last three years, since signing with Discovery Channel, Armstrong’s comeback has changed everything. Knowing that Trek will go with Armstrong and his new RadioShack team, Contador has searched for a technically and economically effective manufacturer, one that can supply him with cutting-edge equipment, including doing as many tests in the wind tunnel or in the velodrome as needed to put him ahead.

And that’s the agreement that has been reached with Specialized, a company launched in 1974 by Mike Sinyard, a 24-year-old who had to sell his van in order to come to Europe, to buy components here and sell them afterwards in the USA.

Sinyard founded Specialized with $1,500, and in the first year, sales had already reached $64,000, which allowed him to take a new step and to create in that same year a new bike called the Allez, his first great success. In 1981 he created his first mountain bike, the Stumpjumper, which lent its name to a mountain biking team, a discipline in which Specialized enjoys great prestige.

Nevertheless, the biggest bicycle manufacturer in the world is neither Trek nor Specialized, but Giant, whose machines are used by Rabobank (and formerly by Telekom and Liberty). Giant, in fact, does not only make bicycles in Taiwan with its own name, but also for other companies and, sometimes, for its direct competitors.

According to 2008 figures, Giant did business worth $750,000,000 (on its brand of bicycles only), compared to $725,000,000 by Trek and $650,000,000 by Specialized, which accounts for the top three spots in the world ranking.

However, the signing of Contador could help Specialized, a dependent for several years of the multinational corporation Merida, expand its market and rise on the points scale.
 
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Galic Ho said:
I distinguished between those differences you mentioned in bold. I said the pro's mostly use Zipp and others, the neo's and wannabes buy what they can afford. A lot hire wheels specifically for an event. Much cheaper than dropping a grand or two on a set of wheels. As for Felt, I was more or less referring to a manufacturer who sponsors a Pro Tour team. Felt started there and expanded. Quintana Roo came onto the scene when I was a kid. Do they sponsor any teams?

QR may have came on when you were a kid. But they were the first bike directly geared to Triathletes, that is why I mentioned it. No they don't sponsor a Pro-tour team

Quite a few will rent wheels for the event in question, it is usually easier than bringing them alone for the trip. But if you look at the dollars behind the Ironman races and triathlon in general the dedicated age grouper trying to get to Kona does not have an issue dropping a grand or two on wheels. They happily drop $575 a race for entry fees a year in advance, have to travel to the event, and spend money locally for the week or so that they are there.

"The 60,000 subscribers of Triathlete magazine have a median income of $122,600, according to co-owner Mitch Thrower, with 93.4 percent earning more than $100,000. Average income among athletes competing in the 22 official Ironman events: nearly $160,000."

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/56631
 
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Is there a longer version of the interview somewhere that I haven't read? I'm trying to work out what is making people so upset. :confused:

I read the interview on sportwereld.be and I was shocked. Lance also said bad things about Kasakhstan and called kasakhs hobos and that he wouldn't shake hands with them and he mentioned the movie 'Borat' -- a bad comedy that has nothing to do with the real Kasakhstan.

You can still find this interview but it's flemish.
 
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Galic Ho said:
I said the pro's mostly use Zipp and others, the neo's and wannabes buy what they can afford.

In 2009 it's Zipp by a landslide in Kona

Wheel Count (includes aero wheels only)
Zipp – 1936
Hed – 229
Mavic – 165
Xentis – 134
Bontrager – 100
Reynolds – 63
Shimano – 48
Corima – 37
Campagnolo – 35
Easton – 34
Lightweight – 29
SRAM – 23
Planet X – 22
Rolf – 17
Nimble – 17
Edge – 13
Ceepo – 11
Fulcrum – 6
Other – 212 (Includes unidentifiable wheels plus wheel count of less than five)
 
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isayic said:
I read the interview on sportwereld.be and I was shocked. Lance also said bad things about Kasakhstan and called kasakhs hobos and that he wouldn't shake hands with them and he mentioned the movie 'Borat' -- a bad comedy that has nothing to do with the real Kasakhstan.

You can still find this interview but it's flemish.

That Lance Armstrong he's all class - wonder how he'd feel if Contador started calling him 'trailer trash'? Though LA is clearly doing a fairly good job of making a complete chav of himself
 
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bianchigirl said:
LA is clearly doing a fairly good job of making a complete chav of himself
always consistent - whether winning seven TdFs or making a complete chav of himself
 
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bianchigirl said:
Though LA is clearly doing a fairly good job of making a complete chav of himself

Oh, it's so fun having to constantly read drivel from you average nobodies who have no clue what's it like to be #1.

I know you're looking to blame somebody.. but at least blame the right person. Your parents.
 
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fpcyclingn said:
Oh, it's so fun having to constantly read drivel from you average nobodies who have no clue what's it like to be #1.

I know you're looking to blame somebody.. but at least blame the right person. Your parents.

Good day to you chucklepants. Sounds like you have some of your own built up rage about your parents.
 
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fpcyclingn said:
Oh, it's so fun having to constantly read drivel from you average nobodies who have no clue what's it like to be #1.

I know you're looking to blame somebody.. but at least blame the right person. Your parents.

Pray tell: how does it feel to be number one? is it nice?
 
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fpcyclingn said:
Oh, it's so fun having to constantly read drivel from you average nobodies who have no clue what's it like to be #1.

I know you're looking to blame somebody.. but at least blame the right person. Your parents.

I am glad I had parents that taught me cheating to win was still cheating. It appears this lesson has been lost on Armstrong. That his groupie fans applaud this cheating only points out the shortcomings of their own parents.
 
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fpcyclingn said:
Oh, it's so fun having to constantly read drivel from you average nobodies who have no clue what's it like to be #1.

I know you're looking to blame somebody.. but at least blame the right person. Your parents.


You know the best thing about this is that he isnt #1 anymore and he can't handle it. He has had his **** handed to him and he doesnt know what to do.