Who has the best palmares: Valverde vs. Nibali

[RedheadDane]

So what's going to happen today? Bala and Nibs cross the line holding hands for joint 1st place, I send a namby pambi emoji hug to Toby and we agree they're both the best cyclists ever, RhD wants to know why are we doing this, is it left side of the brain or right side.
We're back. You can't kill the . thread, it's been here for hundreds if years.

I gave up trying to figure a long time ago.

The rules: Don't go off topic!
Us: Whatever is "topic"?

 

[gregrowlerson]

I don't want to be associated with any of this.

Yep, I did literally get you confused with El Pistolero.

As usual, blame beer.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yep, I did literally get you confused with El Pistolero.

As usual, blame beer.

So, it was you with that robbery!?

 

[SHAD0W93]

So, it was you with that robbery!?

He forgot to plead the fifth

 

[gregrowlerson]

So, it was you with that robbery!?

Yep.

I leave the kidnapping to BlueRoads, whilst I do the highway robbery.

 

[BigCoward]

He has 7 medals from the World Championships, all on different courses! Do you even know what the hell are you talking about?!

Firstly as I've said anything other than a win for me is nothing, so he has one win at the world champs and 6 failures.

Secondly we are talking about his success at liege, or at least I am, i don't know what you are talking about. The vast majority of his majority success is built on one very specific race. Hence I'd take Nibali palmares in a second.

 

[dercuforever]

I only care about wins though.

Then you have someone with 135 wins on one hand, and 58 on the other hand.
Also you have to take into account that AV did that in the worst team of the 21th century in terms of strategy in a race.

 

[gregrowlerson]

"The second place is no good, but it's better than BigCoward says it is."

Alberto Contador, probably.

 

[Blanco]

Firstly as I've said anything other than a win for me is nothing, so he has one win at the world champs and 6 failures.

Secondly we are talking about his success at liege, or at least I am, i don't know what you are talking about. The vast majority of his majority success is built on one very specific race. Hence I'd take Nibali palmares in a second.

The vast majority of his success comes from the fact that he was/still is a winning machine, who wins left and right, throughout the whole year, on almost every terrain, and he's doing it for 20 years!

 

[Valv.Piti]

One win and 6 failures.. if a medal is a failure, what is a 25th or a DNF then? Thats just a way too black/white to view things, especially in cycling where you have one winner and 160 failures!

 

[Netserk]

It's time for another big race; another edition of LBL. Potentially an important event in this debate. Would a 5th victory for Valverde be enough to sway anyone currently voting Nibali to switch sides?

Hmm, probably yes.

 

[BigCoward]

Then you have someone with 135 wins on one hand, and 58 on the other hand.
Also you have to take into account that AV did that in the worst team of the 21th century in terms of strategy in a race.

Major wins as I said upthread. Nobody going into cycling would take Valverde's v Nibali.
If you like people who are consistent across a lot of races for a whole season you will favour AV no question. But if you value the biggest wins on the grandest stage then there is no comparison in my book.
I'm constantly amazed by the value put on podiums in cycling.

 

[BigCoward]

One win and 6 failures.. if a medal is a failure, what is a 25th or a DNF then? Thats just a way too black/white to view things, especially in cycling where you have one winner and 160 failures!

A bigger failure.
Caveat- if they were someone who was meant to compete for the win. Van aert has had a lot of 'failures' because he should have done better and converted a lot more of his chances. Same with Valverde over his career. He has something missing that Nibali doesn't.

 

[Blanco]

Major wins as I said upthread. Nobody going into cycling would take Valverde's v Nibali.

So, you're talking to junior cyclists quite often?
Cause I would take Valverde's career over Nibali's any day!

 

[BigCoward]

So, you're talking to junior cyclists quite often?
Cause I would take Valverde's career over Nibali's any day!

Again, that's what you are discussing. Not me.

Nobody would take Valverdes grand tour/monument x 4/WC v 4 grand tours and 3 monuments.

 

[SHAD0W93]

In this, let’s also not forget 2010 and 2011 that Valverde would have been the favorite of in the Vuelta and potentially more Adrennes wins.

 

[Netserk]

In this, let’s also not forget 2010 and 2011 that Valverde would have been the favorite of in the Vuelta and potentially more Adrennes wins.

He was there in 2010, we saw how well he did.

 

[movingtarget]

Most fans would pick the stronger GT rider over the superior classics rider but I think there valid arguments for both.

 

[SHAD0W93]

He was there in 2010, we saw how well he did.

True enough, for some reason I was thinking TdR started before them that year.

 

[Bonimenier]

In this, let’s also not forget 2010 and 2011 that Valverde would have been the favorite of in the Vuelta and potentially more Adrennes wins.

There is a good (or bad) reason he wasn't there for a period (which belongs to another subforum). You can hardly use that as an excuse in favor of him, but more the opposite.

 

[Angliru]

I thought I was on a wrong page of the forum to see that avatar again, and replying to almost one-month old post Good to see you anyway!

Thank you. Good to be back, good see you and the other stalwarts of the forum and me as always replying late.

I thought I was on a wrong page of the forum to see that avatar again, and replying to almost one-month old post Good to see you anyway!

Good to see you and the old forum stalwarts still holding it down. Then here I am late as always. Good to be back.

 

[Angliru]

Call me crazy but I still believe he would have won that Tour.

Being an unabashed Valverde fanboy at that point and now I had hopes that he was on his way to dethroning Lance and being the next great champion of the Tour.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Sandisfan's latest like has reminded me: What was the deal with those bonus sprinting seconds that Nibali once stole from Valverde?

 

[tobydawq]

Sandisfan's latest like has reminded me: What was the deal with those bonus sprinting seconds that Nibali once stole from Valverde?

That Valverde didn't realise there had been fewer (I almost wrote less ) than three riders who had finished the stage before the favourites rolled in, so he didn't sprint hard for the seconds and was a bit embarrassed afterwards.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Sandisfan's latest like has reminded me: What was the deal with those bonus sprinting seconds that Nibali once stole from Valverde?

I remember in the 2011 Vuelta, people were saying Sagan and Agnoli stole seconds from Nibali when Liquigas went on their 4 man raid and brought Lastras for a ride.