Silly of me, that does make sense, quite clever too.... I always thought the Spanish had a Prime Minister though, not a President, my mistake, I would've probably understood it otherwise..The Hitch said:Someone else called him El Presidente and i liked it. Its because (well I assume it was directed at Scarponi), Zapatero is the presidente del gobierno in spain.
Its not great but its probably a bit harsh to call him Zapatero directly. To go around calling Basso "The Terrible", Ricco "The Cobra" but Scarponi after his OP nickname.
Venezuelan...dlwssonic said:whats up with this rujano, so many other riders have proven more than him and he is so popular just because he is columbian
HA! good joke....Sparta said:Rujano is Venezuelan not Colombian but most importantly he is hugely overrated. I honestly think Gilbert is a superior climber.
Zapatero sounds cool as wellMoondance said:Silly of me, that does make sense, quite clever too.... I always thought the Spanish had a Prime Minister though, not a President, my mistake, I would've probably understood it otherwise..
Actually, now that I think about it, it is actually a little confusing of the Spaniards, since they do have a Monarch who acts as the Head of State, and then to also have a President is mucho confusing.
And as for the nickname thing, calling Scarponi 'Zapatero' is just desserts for having doped. Plenty of people, myself included, refer to Alejandro Valverde as Piti, or Valv-Piti, so we're not singling Scarponi out for unfair treatment.
In a Giro where Contador was riding with a cracked elbow (ala like a certain rider at the 2010 Tour that I won't mention), not ideal preparation, with no reconnaissance of the events climbs. I personally can't put Ricco in the same class as Contador based on that particular Giro alone. Had Ricco showed the same level of climibing prowess at the Tour versus Contador and others till the end of the event I would then give him some consideration but for me he remains an example of a talent which we may never see the best of.jens_attacks said:il cobra. because at his best,he looked like the only person in the world who can upset alberto on the climbs.and when you think that this year's giro could have been the revenge....
He also got dropped in the Tour de Suisse (I think 2008) by such great climbers as Stijn Devolder for exampleLibertine Seguros said:How about winning a mountain stage of the Vuelta back in '06 and being the only person to be able to stay with Contador and Valverde in the '08 one until crashing out?
+1000Libertine Seguros said:Pozzovivo should probably be in there. He won more or less every mountain stage on the Italian calendar last year. Urán, not yet, and Sastre, not any more. Certainly a year or two ago Sastre had to be included. If we include Cadel we have to include Menchov, who has probably shown more on long climbs than Cadel.
If we're talking best climbers ever then somebody really needs to mention José Manuel Fuente.
I believe he's Venezuelan and from what I've read most of the people that root for him are doing it based on his Giro performance years ago not because of his nationality.dlwssonic said:whats up with this rujano, so many other riders have proven more than him and he is so popular just because he is columbian
In what the Ardennes? Surely you don't rate him better in a 3 week stage race or even in mountainous week long stage race?Sparta said:Rujano is Venezuelan not Colombian but most importantly he is hugely overrated. I honestly think Gilbert is a superior climber.
If this is Anton your talking about I recall him winning an mtf in the Tour de Suisse around that time, it being the win that really brought him to be noticed as a rider to look out for.Christian said:He also got dropped in the Tour de Suisse (I think 2008) by such great climbers as Stijn Devolder for example
it was 2005, not 2007http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-hEtCGx1zopalmerq said:Rujano was really good in one giro, I forget which, I think it was 2007 he won a stage(maybe it was more than one I forgot this too :S) and ended up 3rd and king of the mountains, he was very impressive then. He is also amazingly tiny( I will check on wikipedia how small he is)
Since then he hasn't done so much I read he has a very bad attitude, he was the first non colombian to win the vuelta a colombia for ages though(that sounds a very interesting race too)... No idea where I would rate him, I haven't seen him do much since the giro.
wikipedia says he is 1.62 and 48kg
Yes, Virenque was never one of the "elite (as in very best)" because he was never on pace to win the Tour by a clear margin. Sort of like Anton, Sanchez, Rujano.roundabout said:Virenque has won the Tour KoM and a stage in his last 3 Tours even beating the poultry in 04 in the process. I doubt anyone would try to use those results to promote the notion that he was one of the elite (as in very best) in those years.
TBH if he uses that conservative tactic it doesn't make him a weak climber. If he lost significant time on longer easier climbs then that would be a fair criticism, but he's still in the elite group on those. He just has a particular aptitude for the steep stuff: it's not a bad thing. He'd have won a Vuelta already, most likely, if it wasn't for his TT. Genuine contender for the Giro, underrated in the Giro poll, if not more widely.Havetts said:Rodriguez is only 'good' on the very steep stuff, for the rest he hangs in and attacks indeed on the last kilometer just like was shown on the Tourmalet this year which is also steeper than the rest of the climb. Gesink was chasing for Menchov basically the whole climb and then the last km Rodriguez, Hesjedal and in the final meters Sanchez jumped away..
If you read my posts rather than rushing to hate Rasmussen, you'll see that Basso is one of the riders (along with Evans) whom I rate as being right at the top near Rasmussen.roundabout said:You were the one using KoMs and stage wins from breaks as some sort of sign of superiority.
1 Tour alone doesn't make Rasmussen a better pure high mountain talent than someone like Basso with multiple top 5 finishes in Grand Tours spread out over many years.
In 2005 Basso beat Rasmussen on 2 of the 3 mountain top finishes but i guess it was due to his overall riding skills as he isn't as good in the high mountains.
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