Who will TT better in this years tour. Evans, Menchov or Wiggins?

[adamski101]

Sure enough possible, but the names were in order and Wiggins got 188 not because he preferred it and he had 58 at Tour in 2009. And that you have 1, 11, 21, 31 on your starlist doesn't mean you are the leader of the team, most of the times yes, but not all.

sorry to rain on your parade but according to official tour website and results for last 2 years Wiggins start number was 31 on 2010 and 2011. so think the significance of him having 188 last year was down more to Arvesen being honured than anything else.

 

[adamski101]

Sure enough possible, but the names were in order and Wiggins got 188 not because he preferred it and he had 58 at Tour in 2009. And that you have 1, 11, 21, 31 on your starlist doesn't mean you are the leader of the team, most of the times yes, but not all.

also he had 58 in 2009 tour as he was not leader vandevelde was. no one would have thought Wiggins as leader in 2009 before the race.

 

[Parrulo]

sorry to rain on your parade but according to official tour website and results for last 2 years Wiggins start number was 31 on 2010 and 2011. so think the significance of him having 188 last year was down more to Arvesen being honured than anything else.

and superstition maybe?

 

[python]

ha, the poll results atm reflect pretty accurately what i think about the relative 'paper' chances of the riders involved. saves me a voting click

 

[adamski101]

and superstition maybe?

quite possibly.

 

[Froome19]

Wiggins certainly gave an indication of his TT ability even though this was a relatively short TT, it is also a good indication in terms of the prologue in the tour.
Menchov on the other hand was disappointing coming 86th 42 seconds down and 41 seconds down on wiggins even though he had much superior conditions. Admittedly Menchov doesn't seem to be on form but he did seem to be going decently in Andalucia recently.
I Am just wondering whether Menchov's TT ability has just taken a slight dip as we haven't seen much of it in the past year.

 

[Richeypen]

Wiggins certainly gave an indication of his TT ability even though this was a relatively short TT, it is also a good indication in terms of the prologue in the tour.
Menchov on the other hand was disappointing coming 86th 42 seconds down and 41 seconds down on wiggins even though he had much superior conditions. Admittedly Menchov doesn't seem to be on form but he did seem to be going decently in Andalucia recently.
I Am just wondering whether Menchov's TT ability has just taken a slight dip as we haven't seen much of it in the past year.

Menchov's big strength is his powers of recovery meaning that he is very good in the third week of a GT. Wiggins' big weakness is that he has poor powers of recovery meaning that he struggles in the third week of a GT.

Today's result may possibly give an indication towards the Tour prologue (still very very early in the season), but in terms of the other TTs it means nothing whatsoever.

 

[Froome19]

Menchov's big strength is his powers of recovery meaning that he is very good in the third week of a GT. Wiggins' big weakness is that he has poor powers of recovery meaning that he struggles in the third week of a GT.

Today's result may possibly give an indication towards the Tour prologue (still very very early in the season), but in terms of the other TTs it means nothing whatsoever.

Then how do you explain this:
Giro 2011 stage 21
35. Denis Menchov (RUS), Geox-TMC, at 2:03
He wasn't on the best form in the giro but he was getting into things towards the end and considering his "recovery" he should have been higher.
It just backs up my point that his TT has dipped a bit.

 

[mr. tibbs]

This thread made me realize that, with Contador out and given the parcours, I want Wiggins to win the Tour this year. How did this happen?

 

[roundabout]

You can interpret it as another clinic post, but Wiggins is "naturally" the better time trialist vs Menchov in a sense that his performances in TT's are much less form dependent.

Or maybe I never really bought Menchov as a genuine TT contender that can win GT TTs.

 

[burning]

Well, Menchow won that crazy ITT in Giro 2009

 

[Havetts]

Then how do you explain this:
Giro 2011 stage 21
35. Denis Menchov (RUS), Geox-TMC, at 2:03
He wasn't on the best form in the giro but he was getting into things towards the end and considering his "recovery" he should have been higher.
It just backs up my point that his TT has dipped a bit.

He fell.. lol

 

[Froome19]

Well, Menchow won that crazy ITT in Giro 2009

Yes it has already been discussed in this thread Menchov's previous GT, TT perfomances, the point I am trying to emphasise is 2009

 

[The Hitch]

Then how do you explain this:
Giro 2011 stage 21
35. Denis Menchov (RUS), Geox-TMC, at 2:03
He wasn't on the best form in the giro but he was getting into things towards the end and considering his "recovery" he should have been higher.
It just backs up my point that his TT has dipped a bit.

Menchov is one of those riders who when he cant be asked he cant be asked.

Theres the Jens Voigt, Joaquim Rodriguez, Alberto Contador type rider who loves nothing more than just to race his bike and give it all every time.

Then theres the Lance Armstrong type rider who doesn't neccesarily enjoy suffering on the bike, but if theres some glory to be gained and an ego to stroke, will do it when it matters.

Thats Menchov.

 

[palmerq]

I dont remember menchov ever being good at prologues, his result today is not surprising..

Anyway I voted wiggins, I think he's going to win the tour, or at least come 2nd to andy :S

 

[Froome19]

Menchov is one of those riders who when he cant be asked he cant be asked.

Theres the Jens Voigt, Joaquim Rodriguez, Alberto Contador type rider who loves nothing more than just to race his bike and give it all every time.

Then theres the Lance Armstrong type rider who doesn't neccesarily enjoy suffering on the bike, but if theres some glory to be gained and an ego to stroke, will do it when it matters.

Thats Menchov.

Difficult to believe especially due to the fact that he could have got top 5 GC if he "tried" in that TT. I dont think any sane rider would give up the opportunity to get a top 5 in a GT and if thats true then its quite sad.

 

[The Hitch]

Yes it has already been discussed in this thread Menchov's previous GT, TT perfomances, the point I am trying to emphasise is 2009

The point burning was making was that Menchov had won a tt before, in response to roundabout who said he had never bought Menchov as a tt specialist.

So your point that it was 2009 is irrelevant here. Doesnt matter when it was, burning was just making the point about a tt win.

 

[Lanark]

Menchov also won an ITT in the Vuelta. His best ITT performance was probably in the 2010 Tour, he absolutely destroyed the competition there, shifting wind conditions prevented him from winning the stage, but it was a fabulous performance anyway.

What kind of bike does Menchov ride now? I know that at Rabobank they were really happy with the Giant ITT bikes in 2010, could be a factor in his diminished performances in time trials in 2011 and 2012.

 

[The Hitch]

Difficult to believe especially due to the fact that he could have got top 5 GC if he "tried" in that TT. I dont think any sane rider would give up the opportunity to get a top 5 in a GT and if thats true then its quite sad.

The point when he decided he wasnt really asked would have been before the gc even began, or at the latest during the GT, not on the day of the final tt lol.

He sucked everywhere that gt, not just on the time trial, though the idea that he finds himself in 8th position with 30k out of the 3000 to go and only then does he suddenly decide - ya know what, **** it, is funny.

Unless you really believe Roman Kreuziger in the space of 10 months became a vastly superior climber to Menchov

 

[roundabout]

It's a convenient excuse why he is inconsistent. Menchov was not good in the 3rd week in the Giro, period.

 

[roundabout]

Oh, I know that Menchov has won that TT. I wasn't living on Mars in 2009. It's just that ever since this day I can't help but squint my eyes whenever there's a great performance or just talk of Menchov as one of the best time trialists.

Funnily enough a few weeks later he was nowhere in the Worlds.

 

[burning]

I just like Menchov (not a fan of him at all) and I think he will come 3rd in TT's among this trio but he showed few times that he is able to do well in TT's.

 

[greenedge]

Menchov's big strength is his powers of recovery meaning that he is very good in the third week of a GT. Wiggins' big weakness is that he has poor powers of recovery meaning that he struggles in the third week of a GT.

Cadel also has good recovery.

 

[Froome19]

Going on today's TT, Wiggins should also now be the favorite for the the hilly TT in my opinion
Of course his form is superb currently whilst other GC contenders isnt so, but today ,was barring Westra, a true decimation in terms of the time.

 

[Ferminal]

It's the descending not climbing which will be his biggest challenge.