Who will win 2012 Tour de France

[Catwhoorg]

Apparently no rib fracture by Samu.
"Buenas noticias¡¡¡¡ Parece que no hay fractura de costilla Samuel Sánchez" via @sergi_lopezegea

Good news.
Hope he can bounce back quickly.

 

[cineteq]

Hope he can start tomorrow.

That's what it looks like

"La idea es, claramente, intentar seguir en carrera, porque si no, no tendría ningún sentido haberse hecho 140 kilómetros a rastras, con dos compañeros, para rozar el cierre de control", manifestaban fuentes del Euskaltel-Euskadi a BiciCiclismo.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=52009

 

[LaFlorecita]

That's what it looks like

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=52009

Vamos Samu!!!!!!

 

[VeloCity]

He does not have a better team. Even with cav there.
Bmc is still pretty weak in the climbing department.

Maybe, but the additions of Gilbert and Van Garderen (assuming both will be at the Tour) and the fact that there's not so much climbing this year make BMC stronger in the mountains than last year. And Sky will have to provide support for Cavendish, which will take a spot or two away from Wiggins.

 

[Lanark]

Maybe, but the additions of Gilbert and Van Garderen (assuming both will be at the Tour) and the fact that there's not so much climbing this year make BMC stronger in the mountains than last year.

Just barely though, if at all. Gilbert was decent in some early mountains in last year's Tour (and faded in the end), but with his shape of this year, it's unlikely he'll be of much use in the mountain stages in the Tour. Neither can Van Garderen, that guy can maybe hang on to a 30 men group if he has a really good day, but that's about it.

 

[Galic Ho]

Maybe, but the additions of Gilbert and Van Garderen (assuming both will be at the Tour) and the fact that there's not so much climbing this year make BMC stronger in the mountains than last year. And Sky will have to provide support for Cavendish, which will take a spot or two away from Wiggins.

Evans was the strongest climber last year besides Andy Schleck. He'll be fine. TVG is a nice addition to have though. Wiggins needs all the help he can get. Porte and Rogers are meh. They are next to useless. Uran and Froome are where the quality is. Evans is substantially better than those two. Wiggins himself has never proven he can beat Gesink when on form, so how the hell he will compete in the mountains at the back end of three weeks against naturally superior riders is a joke.

One can tell this forum can gone to the crapper. 90+ people voting for a guy who has proven diddly squat in a three week race. Honestly, I'd say Gesink has as much chance of winning the Tour as Wiggins does based on history. Three week does not equal one week. Unless Wiggins and Sky found some kind of wonder drug in Teneriffe, his climbing is horribly suspect. Andy Schleck will murder him. Gosh, reading the Dauphine thread is hilarious. He's strolling in the race and people think he's off form. He'll be on form. He has been the last FOUR years in July. He'll be on form this year. Gosh, more so than ever. He's motivated. He's the dark horse this year. Andy Schleck goes all out, lots of damage can be done. Forget the ITT, it means little if big names race in the hills and race whenever they feel like it. Wiggins then has to match said pace. History has shown he can't. It's unlikely he'll put much if ANY time into Evans or Menchov in a chrono...so where does that leave Sky?

Oh, I forgot, throwing everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink at the Dauphine! Smart move boys, smart move. Even Armstrong wasn't that bonkers. But wait...lets drag Cav to the Tour as well. Smart move. Never happened under the most drug assisted team in history, but of course, Sky who have won ZERO GT's, thrown a doozie down the gurgler BTW last September, know better. Bruyneel is comical, but even he was never that daft, nor was Lance.

Sky however do appear dedicated. Wiggins seems motivated appropriately, though Nibali, Evans, Menchov, JVDB and Schleck will naturally be as well. So what trump card does Wiggins really have? What has he learnt and improved? It's a massive mistake gunning for the Dauphine. Idiots...you don't have enough blood bags. Even Contador doesn't do this. Won't do it. Two extremes, Schleck schlepping it out and Wiggins, go all out. A month early. Yeah, I know which one is the dumber of the two ideas.

Bringing this back to today...yeah, Evans move was nice. Classy and showing form. Of course I love the part where cycling rules dictate a guy finishing in 61st place, between 5-10 seconds behind 4th gets to pull on the leaders jersey. Well deserved Sky, well done. Inspiring all the Brits! Bravo. Reality, Wiggins is really about 5 seconds behind Cadel, but dem da rules! The move Evans has done this past 24 horus is the move of a guy who redesigned himself and won the Tour. A move a winner needs to do in a big race against strong opposition. What has Wiggins done? Winning a one week race hugging wheels means sweet F#%& all. It doesn't show you can set pace in the mountains during the third week. It does not show you can respond to your rivals moves. Gosh, if the votes on this thread come true this will BE THE DULLEST GT in a long, long, long time. Chrono to victory!!! Yay!

If Wiggins pulls it off, good for him and GB and Sky. Not his fault if his rivals don't race...but here's the problem you budding wannabe geniuses...they will. Evans will. Look at his face today. He's testing his legs after a long lay off. Wiggins winning the Tour means other riders don't race. Period. That's on them. IMO as I stated...boring. The real test comes in four weeks, no make that six weeks. Wiggins statements and his team as far as I am concerned show me he won't win. Doubtful he'll even come close to the podium. He shouldn't be trying to win the Dauphine. Arrogance unbridled and an ego unchecked. I hope he fails...badly.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Evans was the strongest climber last year besides Andy Schleck. He'll be fine. TVG is a nice addition to have though. Wiggins needs all the help he can get. Porte and Rogers are meh. They are next to useless. Uran and Froome are where the quality is. Evans is substantially better than those two. Wiggins himself has never proven he can beat Gesink when on form, so how the hell he will compete in the mountains at the back end of three weeks against naturally superior riders is a joke.

One can tell this forum can gone to the crapper. 90+ people voting for a guy who has proven diddly squat in a three week race. Honestly, I'd say Gesink has as much chance of winning the Tour as Wiggins does based on history. Three week does not equal one week. Unless Wiggins and Sky found some kind of wonder drug in Teneriffe, his climbing is horribly suspect. Andy Schleck will murder him. Gosh, reading the Dauphine thread is hilarious. He's strolling in the race and people think he's off form. He'll be on form. He has been the last FOUR years in July. He'll be on form this year. Gosh, more so than ever. He's motivated. He's the dark horse this year. Andy Schleck goes all out, lots of damage can be done. Forget the ITT, it means little if big names race in the hills and race whenever they feel like it. Wiggins then has to match said pace. History has shown he can't. It's unlikely he'll put much if ANY time into Evans or Menchov in a chrono...so where does that leave Sky?

Oh, I forgot, throwing everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink at the Dauphine! Smart move boys, smart move. Even Armstrong wasn't that bonkers. But wait...lets drag Cav to the Tour as well. Smart move. Never happened under the most drug assisted team in history, but of course, Sky who have won ZERO GT's, thrown a doozie down the gurgler BTW last September, know better. Bruyneel is comical, but even he was never that daft, nor was Lance.

Sky however do appear dedicated. Wiggins seems motivated appropriately, though Nibali, Evans, Menchov, JVDB and Schleck will naturally be as well. So what trump card does Wiggins really have? What has he learnt and improved? It's a massive mistake gunning for the Dauphine. Idiots...you don't have enough blood bags. Even Contador doesn't do this. Won't do it. Two extremes, Schleck schlepping it out and Wiggins, go all out. A month early. Yeah, I know which one is the dumber of the two ideas.

Bringing this back to today...yeah, Evans move was nice. Classy and showing form. Of course I love the part where cycling rules dictate a guy finishing in 61st place, between 5-10 seconds behind 4th gets to pull on the leaders jersey. Well deserved Sky, well done. Inspiring all the Brits! Bravo. Reality, Wiggins is really about 5 seconds behind Cadel, but dem da rules! The move Evans has done this past 24 horus is the move of a guy who redesigned himself and won the Tour. A move a winner needs to do in a big race against strong opposition. What has Wiggins done? Winning a one week race hugging wheels means sweet F#%& all. It doesn't show you can set pace in the mountains during the third week. It does not show you can respond to your rivals moves. Gosh, if the votes on this thread come true this will BE THE DULLEST GT in a long, long, long time. Chrono to victory!!! Yay!

If Wiggins pulls it off, good for him and GB and Sky. Not his fault if his rivals don't race...but here's the problem you budding wannabe geniuses...they will. Evans will. Look at his face today. He's testing his legs after a long lay off. Wiggins winning the Tour means other riders don't race. Period. That's on them. IMO as I stated...boring. The real test comes in four weeks, no make that six weeks. Wiggins statements and his team as far as I am concerned show me he won't win. Doubtful he'll even come close to the podium. He shouldn't be trying to win the Dauphine. Arrogance unbridled and an ego unchecked. I hope he fails...badly.

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1o char

 

[airstream]

Galic Ho with giant posts came back. We will discuss!

 

[Galic Ho]

Galic Ho with giant posts came back.

You do that and wave the patriotism flag for GB Haven't the Brits got a Euro championship to get flogged at coming up? Ooohhh, so salty!!! Perhaps you might actuall discuss it...nah, that would mean admitting Wiggins weaknesses. Can't do that...gotta show the stiff upper British lip, right governor?

Anyone know where ACF94 went? Maybe the flooding off all these British posters scared him off? I don't want to wave the Evans flag alone. Why is it I am one of a few not praising Wiggins? That's right...capture theory. Look it up. Brits have done that on this forum.

Gosh, what I'd give to see issoisso and other posters of his calibre return...alas, I am consigned to great rebutals like the one you've presented above and guys ripping on De Gendt prematurely (pun intended) Then their buddies holding their hands whilst they cry...gotta love the mods warping forum rules. Oh well. Never happened back in the day when this forum was good. Oh snap, you weren't a member here then. My bad Can't fault you for something you have no knowledge of.

But by all means, do get back to me with a response discussing where Wiggins climbing prowess has been displayed. Better, I'd love to hear a clinic type discussion where one could explain his Armstongesque jump in form on the road. If Froome beats Wiggins again, what will the excuses be? Trading one Brit for another? Yeah, that sounds like the British way. Sorry my bad...he isn't reall a Brit is he? Is Wiggins? How are those Plastic Brits going? Loved by all back in the Motherland? Yeah that's what I though...Britain, the place where you buy talent or throw it a visa and don't nurture it. Don't the natives and real patriots love it?

BTW anyone have a problem with the term 'plastic brit'...take it up with British journalists who coined the term. I personally couldn't give a damn...but it's a theme that repeats itself all too often in recent history. Heck I will do you a favour...take Porte and Rogers as free collateral. Not many Aussies will miss them. The ones worth viewing ride for that Aussie team...what was it's name? Wasn't the one that had an Aussie winning today? Nah, that was BMC, must have been the other day Durbridge won...forum member named after them, can't remember the name with Sky taking up all the headlines for not winning

 

[Maxiton]

Hushovd's absence from the Tour doesn't bode well for Cadel. Not that he can't get by without Hushovd; it just doesn't bode well, like so much else this year with that team.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hushovd-to-skip-tour-de-france

 

[Caruut]

Evans was the strongest climber last year besides Andy Schleck. He'll be fine. TVG is a nice addition to have though. Wiggins needs all the help he can get. Porte and Rogers are meh. They are next to useless. Uran and Froome are where the quality is. Evans is substantially better than those two. Wiggins himself has never proven he can beat Gesink when on form, so how the hell he will compete in the mountains at the back end of three weeks against naturally superior riders is a joke.

One can tell this forum can gone to the crapper. 90+ people voting for a guy who has proven diddly squat in a three week race. Honestly, I'd say Gesink has as much chance of winning the Tour as Wiggins does based on history. Three week does not equal one week. Unless Wiggins and Sky found some kind of wonder drug in Teneriffe, his climbing is horribly suspect. Andy Schleck will murder him. Gosh, reading the Dauphine thread is hilarious. He's strolling in the race and people think he's off form. He'll be on form. He has been the last FOUR years in July. He'll be on form this year. Gosh, more so than ever. He's motivated. He's the dark horse this year. Andy Schleck goes all out, lots of damage can be done. Forget the ITT, it means little if big names race in the hills and race whenever they feel like it. Wiggins then has to match said pace. History has shown he can't. It's unlikely he'll put much if ANY time into Evans or Menchov in a chrono...so where does that leave Sky?

Oh, I forgot, throwing everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink at the Dauphine! Smart move boys, smart move. Even Armstrong wasn't that bonkers. But wait...lets drag Cav to the Tour as well. Smart move. Never happened under the most drug assisted team in history, but of course, Sky who have won ZERO GT's, thrown a doozie down the gurgler BTW last September, know better. Bruyneel is comical, but even he was never that daft, nor was Lance.

Sky however do appear dedicated. Wiggins seems motivated appropriately, though Nibali, Evans, Menchov, JVDB and Schleck will naturally be as well. So what trump card does Wiggins really have? What has he learnt and improved? It's a massive mistake gunning for the Dauphine. Idiots...you don't have enough blood bags. Even Contador doesn't do this. Won't do it. Two extremes, Schleck schlepping it out and Wiggins, go all out. A month early. Yeah, I know which one is the dumber of the two ideas.

Bringing this back to today...yeah, Evans move was nice. Classy and showing form. Of course I love the part where cycling rules dictate a guy finishing in 61st place, between 5-10 seconds behind 4th gets to pull on the leaders jersey. Well deserved Sky, well done. Inspiring all the Brits! Bravo. Reality, Wiggins is really about 5 seconds behind Cadel, but dem da rules! The move Evans has done this past 24 horus is the move of a guy who redesigned himself and won the Tour. A move a winner needs to do in a big race against strong opposition. What has Wiggins done? Winning a one week race hugging wheels means sweet F#%& all. It doesn't show you can set pace in the mountains during the third week. It does not show you can respond to your rivals moves. Gosh, if the votes on this thread come true this will BE THE DULLEST GT in a long, long, long time. Chrono to victory!!! Yay!

If Wiggins pulls it off, good for him and GB and Sky. Not his fault if his rivals don't race...but here's the problem you budding wannabe geniuses...they will. Evans will. Look at his face today. He's testing his legs after a long lay off. Wiggins winning the Tour means other riders don't race. Period. That's on them. IMO as I stated...boring. The real test comes in four weeks, no make that six weeks. Wiggins statements and his team as far as I am concerned show me he won't win. Doubtful he'll even come close to the podium. He shouldn't be trying to win the Dauphine. Arrogance unbridled and an ego unchecked. I hope he fails...badly.

So blinded by your hatred for Wiggins that you're complaining about riders from the same group finishing in the same time. I don't quite get it - if Wiggins had tried to finish first in his group, you'd say he was being stupid for spending unnecessary effort, but as he just did what he had to do you instead hold the rules of road cycling at fault for allowing him to succeed.

Similarly, when Evans expends far more energy than Wiggins, and wins it's the sign of a man in the form of his life who is about to win the Tour. When Wiggins expends energy and wins, he's an idiot for throwing the kitchen sink at smaller races.

If you want to read a clinic like discussion on Wiggins, there is a discussion about Wiggins in the clinic.

 

[Galic Ho]

Hushovd's absence from the Tour doesn't bode well for Cadel. Not that he can't get by without Hushovd; it just doesn't bode well, like so much else this year with that team.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hushovd-to-skip-tour-de-france

How does the absence of a rider who last year rode for himself and was not part of the winning BMC team that supported Cadel Evans bode unwell? How exactly? Is he on form? Can he climb? Is he going to shelter Cadel better on the flats in the headwinds and crosswinds than Hincapie? Or Gilbert? Is he going to lead Cadel on some dare devil descent? Gilbert could do that.

Take Thor's role last year. Absolutely irrelevant in the final week for Tommy D. It was CVV who was of value. Dan Martin. Ryder...those guys on Garmin were the firepower. Thor was stage hunting. He's not vital for a GC team. It's theoretically better to excuse him, even more so if his form is off. One team objective, versus two. What did UPS/Disco do? Did anyone ever stage hunt whilst Lance won? Nope. BMC are doing the right thing. Sky should remove Cav from the team if they are serious about Wiggins as well. Will they? Yet people take them seriously. Armstrong wouldn't allow it and he won 7 Tours running.

People here need to wake up and get back to reality.

 

[The Hitch]

You do that and wave the patriotism flag for GB Haven't the Brits got a Euro championship to get flogged at coming up? Ooohhh, so salty!!! Perhaps you might actuall discuss it...nah, that would mean admitting Wiggins weaknesses. Can't do that...gotta show the stiff upper British lip, right governor?

Anyone know where ACF94 went? Maybe the flooding off all these British posters scared him off? I don't want to wave the Evans flag alone. Why is it I am one of a few not praising Wiggins? That's right...capture theory. Look it up. Brits have done that on this forum.

Gosh, what I'd give to see issoisso and other posters of his calibre return...alas, I am consigned to great rebutals like the one you've presented above and guys ripping on De Gendt prematurely (pun intended) Then their buddies holding their hands whilst they cry...gotta love the mods warping forum rules. Oh well. Never happened back in the day when this forum was good. Oh snap, you weren't a member here then. My bad Can't fault you for something you have no knowledge of.

But by all means, do get back to me with a response discussing where Wiggins climbing prowess has been displayed. Better, I'd love to hear a clinic type discussion where one could explain his Armstongesque jump in form on the road. If Froome beats Wiggins again, what will the excuses be? Trading one Brit for another? Yeah, that sounds like the British way. Sorry my bad...he isn't reall a Brit is he? Is Wiggins? How are those Plastic Brits going? Loved by all back in the Motherland? Yeah that's what I though...Britain, the place where you buy talent or throw it a visa and don't nurture it. Don't the natives and real patriots love it?

BTW anyone have a problem with the term 'plastic brit'...take it up with British journalists who coined the term. I personally couldn't give a damn...but it's a theme that repeats itself all too often in recent history. Heck I will do you a favour...take Porte and Rogers as free collateral. Not many Aussies will miss them. The ones worth viewing ride for that Aussie team...what was it's name? Wasn't the one that had an Aussie winning today? Nah, that was BMC, must have been the other day Durbridge won...forum member named after them, can't remember the name with Sky taking up all the headlines for not winning

no wonder you think the whole forum is full of "British" posters when you just gave a Belarussian poster who is still learning English, an 800 word rant about how British he is.
Im not british either, but i wouldnt want to spoil the 2000 word essay coming my way when you see the "London" in the corner"

 

[Caruut]

How does the absence of a rider who last year rode for himself and was not part of the winning BMC team that supported Cadel Evans bode unwell? How exactly? Is he on form? Can he climb? Is he going to shelter Cadel better on the flats in the headwinds and crosswinds than Hincapie? Or Gilbert? Is he going to lead Cadel on some dare devil descent? Gilbert could do that.

Take Thor's role last year. Absolutely irrelevant in the final week for Tommy D. It was CVV who was of value. Dan Martin. Ryder...those guys on Garmin were the firepower. Thor was stage hunting. He's not vital for a GC team. It's theoretically better to excuse him, even more so if his form is off. One team objective, versus two. What did UPS/Disco do? Did anyone ever stage hunt whilst Lance won? Nope. BMC are doing the right thing. Sky should remove Cav from the team if they are serious about Wiggins as well. Will they? Yet people take them seriously. Armstrong wouldn't allow it and he won 7 Tours running.

People here need to wake up and get back to reality.

If you spent half as much time reading as you did typing, some of these posts might end up being readable.

The guy specifically stages that it's not going to make much difference to Evans, and that he just means it's a sign that BMC might be running as smoothly as they'd hoped.

 

[Galic Ho]

So blinded by your hatred for Wiggins that you're complaining about riders from the same group finishing in the same time. I don't quite get it - if Wiggins had tried to finish first in his group, you'd say he was being stupid for spending unnecessary effort, but as he just did what he had to do you instead hold the rules of road cycling at fault for allowing him to succeed.

Similarly, when Evans expends far more energy than Wiggins, and wins it's the sign of a man in the form of his life who is about to win the Tour. When Wiggins expends energy and wins, he's an idiot for throwing the kitchen sink at smaller races.

If you want to read a clinic like discussion on Wiggins, there is a discussion about Wiggins in the clinic.

Hatred? I'm a straight shooter genius. If I hated Austin Powers wannabe...I'd say so. He's hilarious. The guy to dislike. It was Schleck last year...will be him this year. Someone else next year. Honestly, the fact he's a carbon cut out of Armstrong...that doesn't bother you? Anyone in England? Of all the people you can mirror, you pick him. That is very revealing.

My comment was not to spite Wiggins, but to highlight a mistake I believe he is making. He should take the Dauphine lightly but seriously. Not what he has said and not what his domestiques have said. He's going full ball balistic to win this. To prove what? He's a contender? That's stupid. But of course, once again I have to join all the dots for people. That's why my posts are long. Inferring knowledge and ideas...people here refuse to do it. They go off on a tangent. Answer this if you are serious, why has Contador not done this? Then explain the paralled between Evans trying to win the Dauphine and falling short at the Tour every time he tried...and stating Wiggins is just more talented isn't sufficient, that's subjective opinion. Not proven in road results. Answer that and you'll understand why I couldn't be bothered once again answering more blind Wiggins fanboys questions.

Oh and the point about Wiggins really being behind...if you lost a one week stage race over 2-3 seconds and yet won a stage, like Cadel did today and your rival won GC because he cruised, would you not like to see the rules changed? It's one of the few failings of cycling and I thoroughly dislike it. Not Wiggins fault he is the beneficiary as he was second after the prologue, but the point remains. I think it encourages wheel sucking...not that Brad was doing that, yesterday showed he was flogging himself, but it encourages riders to become the next Bottle. I say bring back time bonuses. High risk, high reward. If the peloton takes 10-15 seconds to pass the line, you should not finish 15-20 behind a winner and get +4 on official time. It's wrong. To those who don't agree...do you still count using your fingers and toes? For every 5-10 riders in the peloton, I say add +1 second. Irrespective. Evans ALWAYS tries to be in the first 20 over the line every stage of every race he competes in seriously. Harder to stay there. Those who want to take it easier a bit further back there should be slapped with a cost in time. You'd be amazed how it would change racing for the better.

Oh yeah, the Clinic...you've seen the threads? Nah, you weren't a forum member when they started. If you did you'd realise I made the first thread about Wiggins in the Clinic. One of the few I've made. Back in 2009.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

A case for Wiggins as a serious contender:

1) This is, by modern standards, a very TT heavy course. Wiggins is one of the three best TT riders currently and he's a much better climber than the other two.

2) He does in fact have some record of achievement in Grand Tours. Not a massive record, but not "diddly squat". A guy who has a fourth and a third in recent Grand Tours should quite normally be spoken about as a possible winner on a more suitable parcours.

3) He has shown an ability to keep up with some of the big guns on climbs in one week races too. Obviously, one week races aren't three week races and there are quite a few riders who show form in one week races that they never produce in a GT, but it does add some additional weight to his case.

4) He certainly can't climb with a Contador or a Schleck, but the first won't be there and the second is badly handicapped by the parcours - none of the big TT guns have to be able to beat him on the climbs. Sanchez may have his preparation thrown by todays crash and is unpredictable anyway. Menchov and Evans both have superior records to Wiggins, but the Pope hasn't shown his old form in a long time and Evans, despite last year's heroics, himself has a long history of losing stupid time or getting injured. All of these guys, and guys like Gesink etc, are capable of beating Wiggins, but they are also capable of losing to him. It's not even slightly difficult to imagine Evans having a disastrous day, Sanchez losing some silly time somewhere and Menchov plodding around anonymously.

5) He will be surrounded by strong, diesel climbers who will keep a tough, steady pace up the climbs for him. It is ridiculous to call the likes of Rogers and Porte "useless" if you are talking about them as your fourth best and third best climbing domestiques! No, of course Richie Porte isn't going to ride the best climbers around off his wheel, but he's more than capable of riding the bottom third of a climb at a pace which will seriously discourage attacks. And Uran and Froome will still be there.

6) I agree that the more controlled and less attacking the race is, the better off Wiggins will be. But I fear that the Tour may well turn out to be a lot less attacking than you are predicting. We've just seen a Giro where the big favourites rode climb after climb together. Schleck will have to go nuts and he's the best climber, but the rest really don't have to match him acceleration for acceleration.

I actually don't make Wiggins the top favourite. I think that's Evans. But I do think that Wiggins is one of maybe six guys who can go into the Tour thinking that they have a legitimate shot at it which doesn't involve freakish luck.

 

[Captain Sensible]

You do that and wave the patriotism flag for GB Haven't the Brits got a Euro championship to get flogged at coming up?
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No there is no British football team each separate country from the British Isles has its own team .

 

[will10]

/snip

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

f the peloton takes 10-15 seconds to pass the line, you should not finish 15-20 behind a winner and get +4 on official time. It's wrong. To those who don't agree...do you still count using your fingers and toes? For every 5-10 riders in the peloton, I say add +1 second. Irrespective

There are perfectly sound safety reasons why riders are given the same time as the bunch they finish with. If they did otherwise, every single finish would be mayhem as scrawny midgets with no business sprinting get in the way along with their domestiques trying to lead them out.

It would be funny, right up until the broken bones started mounting.

 

[will10]

/snip

 

[The Hitch]

Also Daniel Martin did not do the Tour last year.

As is claimed somewhere in 1 of those posts.

I would not reccomend looking for it without the ctrl f function though.

No there is no British football team each separate country from the British Isles has its own team .

There will be next month as i understand.

 

[El Pistolero]

Be honest, did you get past the first paragraph? If so, I salute you.

 

[Galic Ho]

no wonder you think the whole forum is full of "British" posters when you just gave a Belarussian poster who is still learning English, an 800 word rant about how British he is.
Im not british either, but i wouldnt want to spoil the 2000 word essay coming my way when you see the "London" in the corner"

That's rich coming from the guy who lost his nut last year when his misread a statement from me that mentioned England...you remember Hitch, the one where you thought I said you were English. Despite the fact I didn't and know fully well you're Spanish. Oh snap, the superior memory letting you down? You forgot did you? No, my bad, you're right, you're Spanish...heck not like it wasn't bloody obvious. But of course, I think you're really English because you are 21 and living in England. You keep telling yourself that. Am I wrong? How old am I? Where do I live Hitch? Roughly where in Australia? I've mentioned it...if you're going to have exceptionally high standards for me, can I not apply them to you? Want me to get specific? Ok if I had to state where you come from geographically...I'd say somewhere associated with Samu, some region near his home. Explains you're obsession with him. Common sense...could be wrong though.

Of course, one set of rules for you and one for me is it not?Perhaps you can mistakenly get mad at me and run and get a mod on your friends list to tell me off...to ban me? I honestly don't care about your De Gendt slander...you're 21, people say stupid crap all the time. However I do notice your subtle and crafted jibes at many forumists...having 13K of posts doesn't grant you special priviliges...you talk garbage, worse, pick biffs with people, I remember. You started this champ last year...not me. You carried on about something that was never said about nationality.

Given you have 13K of posts in under 2 years...run the numbers. Lots of spare time, lots of interaction amongst forumists. Actually, it appears from your statement Hitch, you do know quite a lot. Good for you. Your time, do with it as you will. But frequenting the forums as much as you do, and naturally, pertaining to a level of decent intellect, you'd also have noticed some older names who were here years ago are not here as much as they once were. That I and many others don't frequent the forums like we once did, that we're not all 21 and living it up outside our home country (wanna explain to the forum why Spain ain't so grand to live in at your age because we both know it's not nice and ironically every young Spaniard has my sympathy as such) spending hours a day here and learning a great deal about the forumists identies other than a picture and a name. So naturally, when his location doesn't say Belarus, let alone have I read anything of his anytime this year that reveals as much...his nationality means sweet ****** all.

But his behaviour does indicate he sympathises with Wiggins. So I assumed he was British...because honest to God, only a pom would love Wiggins of all riders THAT MUCH. I cannot see how any other European could like him over all the others. It doesn't add up. Oh and if being labelled British or mistakenly associated with being British is so nasty, dispicable and wrong, even mistakenly by misconstrued inference, please explain why you are living in a nation I can get citizenship in a wink? One where both sides of my parents ancestral line originate? Then explain to me the history between Britain and Austalia? Our rivalry and goading of each other. Sledging Britain is what Australians do...likewise they sledge back. No we don't hate England/UK. It's just banter...sheesh, go watch the cricket next year when we turn up for the Ashes if you're still in London. That' clear it all up. Giving Wiggins a hard time is our right. Giving Evans a hard time is theirs. Heck I win overall...Murdoch owns Sky and his money was made in Australia because wait for it...daddy owned the only paper in Adelaide. Yet he sponsors a British team!!! The irony.

I apoligise for what I said last week. I was too nasty. But giving Wiggins fans a hard time ain't gonna change.

 

[Galic Ho]

Also Daniel Martin did not do the Tour last year.

As is claimed somewhere in 1 of those posts.

I would not reccomend looking for it without the ctrl f function though.


There will be next month as i understand.

Yeah I know. I deliberately left Dan Martin in there to see who'd correct me. It's not like the news the last day regarding Dan Martin didn't come attached with his Tour history. That and the fact I distinctly don't remember him at all last Tour. Garmin after all had a lot of spotlight in the first week of the Tour. Well the commentary last night on Aussie tv mentioned Martin and naturally his racing history, goals, yadda yadda yadda and all that good stuff brilliant Aussie SBS commentators bore one to death with. At least you're awake...given it's night time in London. Morning here...gotta see if people are functioning because some times I wonder when reading these forums.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

magnificient rant.