Who will win the Giro 100?

[Poursuivant]

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I think Landa will do well in the time trial, but you are right in saying that Thomas won't be his minion (unless he cracks spectacularly on Etna or Blockhaus). And tbh, if he doesn't the next serious test will be the Stelvio day and then there's that...

But all I care about is that Landa won't be slaving for Thomas, Landa can do well for himself as long he is supported on the flats, it just depends if he's strong enough

Who are you kidding mate? Alls you care about is seeing Nairo in pink in three weeks :lol: :lol:

 

[Poursuivant]

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Going up against subpar Landa and Nibali, no Kruijswijk.

As I've said, much more suited to those gradual climbs at 7-8%, whole different ballgame once the gradient reach 10%. Bye G.

Agree with this.

Landa is the interesting one for me in this race, his 2015 Giro was exceptional and in Trentino this year he showed he was not too far away. Hope he stays fit and crash free.

 

[Ikbengodniet]

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Something along the lines of he wouldn't wait on his team leader like he did in 2015 if he felt well, so basically yes, ignoring team orders.

Except if the team orders are not to wait for a leader.

Yeah well he heavily implied that if team orders were to wait, he wouldn't

Landa is one of their leaders. Pretty sure Sky will never tell him to wait for Thomas if he is upfront anyway. Total different hierarchy then 2 years ago.

 

[Oliwright]

How can anyone back Pinot??

He finished 16th if the 2015 TDF and DNFed last year!
His finished 3rd in 2014 8:14 behind Nibali! Also in that race Quintana, Froome, Contador, Porte etc weren't riding.
The giro has many treacherous descents and he is the worst descender in the peloton. I'm genuinely worried for him on the descents. Think he has almost a 99% chance to crash at some point.

He has shown some form in TTs and on climbs in stage races but that is always in the early stage races.
The Dauphine is a race where everyone other than Nibali tries to go into in form. And last year he finished 16th.

He should be aiming for a Top 10. As for me Yates, Quintana, Thomas, Landa, Zakarin, Jungels, Dumoulin, Kruijswijk, Mollema all have a better chance as they've shown more in the last 2 years in GTs.

 

[tobydawq]

How can anyone back Pinot??

He finished 16th if the 2015 TDF and DNFed last year!
His finished 3rd in 2014 8:14 behind Nibali! Also in that race Quintana, Froome, Contador, Porte etc weren't riding.
The giro has many treacherous descents and he is the worst descender in the peloton. I'm genuinely worried for him on the descents. Think he has almost a 99% chance to crash at some point.

He has shown some form in TTs and on climbs in stage races but that is always in the early stage races.
The Dauphine is a race where everyone other than Nibali tries to go into in form. And last year he finished 16th.

He should be aiming for a Top 10. As for me Yates, Quintana, Thomas, Landa, Zakarin, Jungels, Dumoulin, Kruijswijk, Mollema all have a better chance as they've shown more in the last 2 years in GTs.

Then I think Adam Yates has an 80 % chance of being caught out due to lazy positioning provided that there is a 75 % chance that he only feels to be at 90 % of his shape and that there is a 65 % chance of more than 40 % of the peloton being dropped on a climb where Yates with 100 % certainty is at the back of that.

 

[Mr.White]

How can anyone back Pinot??

He finished 16th if the 2015 TDF and DNFed last year!
His finished 3rd in 2014 8:14 behind Nibali! Also in that race Quintana, Froome, Contador, Porte etc weren't riding.
The giro has many treacherous descents and he is the worst descender in the peloton. I'm genuinely worried for him on the descents. Think he has almost a 99% chance to crash at some point.

He has shown some form in TTs and on climbs in stage races but that is always in the early stage races.
The Dauphine is a race where everyone other than Nibali tries to go into in form. And last year he finished 16th.

He should be aiming for a Top 10. As for me Yates, Quintana, Thomas, Landa, Zakarin, Jungels, Dumoulin, Kruijswijk, Mollema all have a better chance as they've shown more in the last 2 years in GTs.

I will remind you of this message when Giro ends, you might be surprised...

 

[BullsFan22]

I hope for a brand new GT winner. Nibali has won enough GT's. Maybe Quintana will provide some fireworks.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I hope for a brand new GT winner. Nibali has won enough GT's. Maybe Quintana will provide some fireworks.

Yep, always exciting when no-names such as Hesjedal wins a GT.

 

[Anderis]

I actually infinitely prefer a boring race with a surprising winner than a boring race with a favourite winning.

 

[lenric]

I'd really like Nibali to win. Remember who Nibali is. :surprised:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKhsTXoKCI

 

[Krokro]

How can anyone back Pinot??

He finished 16th if the 2015 TDF and DNFed last year!
His finished 3rd in 2014 8:14 behind Nibali! Also in that race Quintana, Froome, Contador, Porte etc weren't riding.
The giro has many treacherous descents and he is the worst descender in the peloton. I'm genuinely worried for him on the descents. Think he has almost a 99% chance to crash at some point.

He has shown some form in TTs and on climbs in stage races but that is always in the early stage races.
The Dauphine is a race where everyone other than Nibali tries to go into in form. And last year he finished 16th.

He should be aiming for a Top 10. As for me Yates, Quintana, Thomas, Landa, Zakarin, Jungels, Dumoulin, Kruijswijk, Mollema all have a better chance as they've shown more in the last 2 years in GTs.

How on earth can you rate Jungels higher than Pinot ? I know he had an amazing Giro, and I enjoyed it, but outside or their good TT abilities you cant rate them on the same level when it comes to a full 3week GT. Not talking in terms of palmares but when you just compare climbing abilities its a no-match.
Still hope both to finish in a nice top5, would be such an amazing performance regarding the strong field.
Btw, same for Mollema or even Dennis that someone rated higher than Pinot in another previous post.

 

[Oliwright]

How can anyone back Pinot??

He finished 16th if the 2015 TDF and DNFed last year!
His finished 3rd in 2014 8:14 behind Nibali! Also in that race Quintana, Froome, Contador, Porte etc weren't riding.
The giro has many treacherous descents and he is the worst descender in the peloton. I'm genuinely worried for him on the descents. Think he has almost a 99% chance to crash at some point.

He has shown some form in TTs and on climbs in stage races but that is always in the early stage races.
The Dauphine is a race where everyone other than Nibali tries to go into in form. And last year he finished 16th.

He should be aiming for a Top 10. As for me Yates, Quintana, Thomas, Landa, Zakarin, Jungels, Dumoulin, Kruijswijk, Mollema all have a better chance as they've shown more in the last 2 years in GTs.

How on earth can you rate Jungels higher than Pinot ? I know he had an amazing Giro, and I enjoyed it, but outside or their good TT abilities you cant rate them on the same level when it comes to a full 3week GT. Not talking in terms of palmares but when you just compare climbing abilities its a no-match.
Still hope both to finish in a nice top5, would be such an amazing performance regarding the strong field.
Btw, same for Mollema or even Dennis that someone rated higher than Pinot in another previous post.

Pinot just hasn't shown enough in recent years. He's maybe capable of doing a top 5 in a GT but I have no confidence in him. Jungel's was 6th last year and this year there is many more km's of ITT.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Pinot is very very inconsistent. On his best days he seems almost as strong as Froome and Quintana. But then he has average days where he doesn't even follow the best 30.

I can understand where Oliwright is coming from. Pinot must first prove his TDF podium wasn't a one off and he can be consistent for 3 weeks.

 

[Krokro]

I must agree with Pinot inconsistence, unfortunately. Tbf he has improved in TT and wont lose much time on Bob in that particular exercise. Long High mountain days he is on paper way better climber. But as you said, the key factor of Pinot success is wether he can confirm his abilities without having a Richie day where he can collapse due to lack of placement, experience or so.
I still think and hope he is better than what he showcased on the last GTs. Time will tell !

 

[Mr.White]

How can anyone back Pinot??

He finished 16th if the 2015 TDF and DNFed last year!
His finished 3rd in 2014 8:14 behind Nibali! Also in that race Quintana, Froome, Contador, Porte etc weren't riding.
The giro has many treacherous descents and he is the worst descender in the peloton. I'm genuinely worried for him on the descents. Think he has almost a 99% chance to crash at some point.

He has shown some form in TTs and on climbs in stage races but that is always in the early stage races.
The Dauphine is a race where everyone other than Nibali tries to go into in form. And last year he finished 16th.

He should be aiming for a Top 10. As for me Yates, Quintana, Thomas, Landa, Zakarin, Jungels, Dumoulin, Kruijswijk, Mollema all have a better chance as they've shown more in the last 2 years in GTs.

How on earth can you rate Jungels higher than Pinot ? I know he had an amazing Giro, and I enjoyed it, but outside or their good TT abilities you cant rate them on the same level when it comes to a full 3week GT. Not talking in terms of palmares but when you just compare climbing abilities its a no-match.
Still hope both to finish in a nice top5, would be such an amazing performance regarding the strong field.
Btw, same for Mollema or even Dennis that someone rated higher than Pinot in another previous post.

Pinot just hasn't shown enough in recent years. He's maybe capable of doing a top 5 in a GT but I have no confidence in him. Jungel's was 6th last year and this year there is many more km's of ITT.

Pinot shown more in GT's than any of those you mentioned bar Quintana, so I don't know what's your point exactly? You have no confidence in Pinot, but you have in Thomas, Jungels or Dumoulin?!!! Really strange.

 

[yaco]

I suspect Jungels will lose big time in the mountains - I'd be surprised if he finishes in front of Pinot.

 

[silvergrenade]

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Pinot is very very inconsistent. On his best days he seems almost as strong as Froome and Quintana. But then he has average days where he doesn't even follow the best 30.

I can understand where Oliwright is coming from. Pinot must first prove his TDF podium wasn't a one off and he can be consistent for 3 weeks.

When has Pinot been with Quintana or Froome at the Tour on a MTF?? :surprised: :surprised:
The only time I remember was when Froome sat up for Wiggins in 2012.
Same goes for TTs.

 

[Akuryo]

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I suspect Jungels will lose big time in the mountains - I'd be surprised if he finishes in front of Pinot.

Bob Jungels regeneration is off the charts. He has shown that in the Tour 2015 and the Giro 2016 already. last year he was actually climbing with the best in the third week. This time around the real mountains come in that week. So at that moment I wouldn't bet against him. Also someone mentioned in his rider thread that he looks skinnier this year. So he should climb even better!

 

[portugal11]

Pinot is not stronger than bardet, yates and people are comparing him to the likes of quintana and froome...
This hype train is even worse than the gaviria's hype train...

 

[Krokro]

@portugal11 I havent posted here for a while, but your saltiness against Pinot is still on point, congratz.

@silvergrenade. Tbf, no one mentionned Le Tour when comparing Pinot/Dawg/Quintanas perfs.

 

[yaco]

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I suspect Jungels will lose big time in the mountains - I'd be surprised if he finishes in front of Pinot.

Bob Jungels regeneration is off the charts. He has shown that in the Tour 2015 and the Giro 2016 already. last year he was actually climbing with the best in the third week. This time around the real mountains come in that week. So at that moment I wouldn't bet against him. Also someone mentioned in his rider thread that he looks skinnier this year. So he should climb even better!

Jungels lost over 10 minutes in the three big mountain stages in the last week of Giro 2016.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Thats really misrepresenting Jungels. He has a good recovery and a monstrous engine, he is most probably better this year, but so is the field. Around 5th-9th for him probably.

 

[Forever The Best]

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I suspect Jungels will lose big time in the mountains - I'd be surprised if he finishes in front of Pinot.

Bob Jungels regeneration is off the charts. He has shown that in the Tour 2015 and the Giro 2016 already. last year he was actually climbing with the best in the third week. This time around the real mountains come in that week. So at that moment I wouldn't bet against him. Also someone mentioned in his rider thread that he looks skinnier this year. So he should climb even better!

Jungels lost over 10 minutes in the three big mountain stages in the last week of Giro 2016.

Stage 16 Brixen-Andalo 132 km
1 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOV) 2:58:54
2 KRUIJSWIJK, Steven (TLJ)
3 ZAKARIN, Ilnur (KAT) + 8
4 ULISSI, Diego (LAM) + 37
5 JUNGELS, Bob (EQS)
11 NIBALI, Vincenzo (AST) + 1:47

Stage 19 Pinerolo-Risoul 162 km
1 NIBALI, Vincenzo (AST) 4:19:54
2 NIEVE ITURALDE, Mikel (SKY) + 51
3 CHAVES RUBIO, Johan Esteban (OGE) + 53
4 ULISSI, Diego (LAM) + 1:02
5 MAJKA, Rafal (TNK) + 2:14
6 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOV)
7 URAN URAN, Rigoberto (CPT)
8 PREIDLER, Georg (TGA) + 2:43
9 ROCHE, Nicolas (SKY) + 2:51
10 DUPONT, Hubert (ALM)
11 MONFORT, Maxime (LTS) + 3:00
12 CARDOSO, Andre (CPT) + 3:07
13 ATAPUMA HURTADO, Darwin (BMC) + 3:36
14 JUNGELS, Bob (EQS) + 3:45

Stage 20 Guillestre-Sant'Anna di Vinadio
1 TAARAMAE, Rein (KAT) 4:22:43
2 ATAPUMA HURTADO, Darwin (BMC) + 52
3 DOMBROWSKI, Joseph Lloyd (CPT) + 1:17
4 NIEVE ITURALDE, Mikel (SKY) + 4:12
5 FOLIFOROV, Alexander (GAZ) + 4:36
6 NIBALI, Vincenzo (AST) + 6:44
7 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOV) + 6:57
8 URAN URAN, Rigoberto (CPT)
9 VISCONTI, Giovanni (MOV) + 7:47
10 MAJKA, Rafal (TNK) + 8:06
11 JUNGELS, Bob (EQS)
14 CHAVEZ RUBIO, Johan Esteban (OGE) + 8:20

So excluding bonis Jungels lost 3:57 to Nibali, 3:27 to Valverde, and 3:18 to Chavez in the mountain stages of the final week so not sure where your 'lost over 10 mins' claim comes from

 

[yaco]

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I suspect Jungels will lose big time in the mountains - I'd be surprised if he finishes in front of Pinot.

Bob Jungels regeneration is off the charts. He has shown that in the Tour 2015 and the Giro 2016 already. last year he was actually climbing with the best in the third week. This time around the real mountains come in that week. So at that moment I wouldn't bet against him. Also someone mentioned in his rider thread that he looks skinnier this year. So he should climb even better!

Jungels lost over 10 minutes in the three big mountain stages in the last week of Giro 2016.

Stage 16 Brixen-Andalo 132 km
1 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOV) 2:58:54
2 KRUIJSWIJK, Steven (TLJ)
3 ZAKARIN, Ilnur (KAT) + 8
4 ULISSI, Diego (LAM) + 37
5 JUNGELS, Bob (EQS)
11 NIBALI, Vincenzo (AST) + 1:47

Stage 19 Pinerolo-Risoul 162 km
1 NIBALI, Vincenzo (AST) 4:19:54
2 NIEVE ITURALDE, Mikel (SKY) + 51
3 CHAVES RUBIO, Johan Esteban (OGE) + 53
4 ULISSI, Diego (LAM) + 1:02
5 MAJKA, Rafal (TNK) + 2:14
6 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOV)
7 URAN URAN, Rigoberto (CPT)
8 PREIDLER, Georg (TGA) + 2:43
9 ROCHE, Nicolas (SKY) + 2:51
10 DUPONT, Hubert (ALM)
11 MONFORT, Maxime (LTS) + 3:00
12 CARDOSO, Andre (CPT) + 3:07
13 ATAPUMA HURTADO, Darwin (BMC) + 3:36
14 JUNGELS, Bob (EQS) + 3:45

Stage 20 Guillestre-Sant'Anna di Vinadio
1 TAARAMAE, Rein (KAT) 4:22:43
2 ATAPUMA HURTADO, Darwin (BMC) + 52
3 DOMBROWSKI, Joseph Lloyd (CPT) + 1:17
4 NIEVE ITURALDE, Mikel (SKY) + 4:12
5 FOLIFOROV, Alexander (GAZ) + 4:36
6 NIBALI, Vincenzo (AST) + 6:44
7 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOV) + 6:57
8 URAN URAN, Rigoberto (CPT)
9 VISCONTI, Giovanni (MOV) + 7:47
10 MAJKA, Rafal (TNK) + 8:06
11 JUNGELS, Bob (EQS)
14 CHAVEZ RUBIO, Johan Esteban (OGE) + 8:20

So excluding bonis Jungels lost 3:57 to Nibali, 3:27 to Valverde, and 3:18 to Chavez in the mountain stages of the final week so not sure where your 'lost over 10 mins' claim comes from

Jungels lost 6m and 21s on Stage 14 won by Chaves which was the Queen Stage - My previous post is correct - And I'll point out there are 2 or 3 stages similar in Giro 17.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Your post wasn't correct as Andalo, Vinadio and Risoul were the last 3 mountain stages.