Who would win, Cancellara or Cavendish

[Ildabaoth]

The advantage of the drafting rider is huge in pure physics terms, but from a tactical point of view, the ability to respond immediatelly to the rider in front changing pace is also huge - only a very inexperienced rider would be dropped by a rider simply riding away from them unless there was a climb or a side wind which were not cited in this example.

This is one of the most pointless thread I've ever seen. Acceptable between october and december. But now? Anyways, let's join the wagon. Most pro riders are very inexperienced then. They are so sucky. With that huge drafting advantage, enhanced by Cancellara's size. It's amazing how dumb they are.

 

[soOpOSMthanks!]

Oh yes yes yes. Cav is much more exposed than in the bunch but he still gets a huge advantage. Cancellara can ride away from others in a race situation because there are multiple tactical battles going on and this creates hesitations and "games" where people wait for other to chase. All Cav has to do is hold one wheel. I am not sure that Cancellara provides much less draft than a 4ft11 50kg italian girl riding a vespa, but I might be wrong. I have not seen the figures for this.

The peleton also rides faster than Cancellara on his own, so Cav getting less draft has to be looked at in the context of a slower overall pace. It has to be looked at in terms of the power Cancellara needs to be in front versus what Cav needs to stay behind - The difference is huge. Every attack from the front costs Cancellara more than Cav.

No wind and a flat road means that there is nowhere to get a tactical advantage from superior sustainable power.

Just stop...stop.
Also, what's with the drafting talk? It's a pretty moot argument seeing has how it was originally stated that THERE IS NO WIND.

Another thing, you may be able to "accelerate and hold wheels good" but that doesn't mean you can...do whatever it is that you are saying to try to prove a point.

And if you ask me, seeing how Cav has been riding this year...it would be easier to drop him than an ugly woman.

 

[spalco]

He would if he let Cav suck his wheel for 200k.

So what he'd do is drop him early, TT off until he had a several-minute lead, then rest until he had a short lead (no draft and no rest for Cav), then TT off, and so on. Turn it into a 200-km ITT where Cav is working full-bore the whole way and Spartacus is stopping off for espressos. By the end they'd have felt the same distance and wind, but Cav would be barfing up a lung and Fabs wouldn't let him close enough to even think of sprinting to the line.

Or, to simplify the math, Fabs could just get 200 m ahead and hold that the rest of the way. His worst fear would be nodding off.

This is my favourite answer in this thread. I can totally see Cancellara stopping at a roadside cafe after getting a couple minutes lead only to casually step on his bike again after seeing Cavendish panting and suffering past him.

 

[fatsprintking]

Just stop...stop.
Also, what's with the drafting talk? It's a pretty moot argument seeing has how it was originally stated that THERE IS NO WIND.

Another thing, you may be able to "accelerate and hold wheels good" but that doesn't mean you can...do whatever it is that you are saying to try to prove a point.

And if you ask me, seeing how Cav has been riding this year...it would be easier to drop him than an ugly woman.

Sorry Champ, I didnt mean to upset you. There are plenty of other threads you can read if you dont like this one. I didnt think i was doing anything other than mounting an arguement related to the question that was asked seriously by the original poster.

Oh just a quick point - if there is no wind and you are travelling at 50kph then it is actually equivilent to a 50kmph wind - go and ride at 50kph one day and try it for yourself.

 

[spalco]

He may win if he can catch Cav napping, but the idea that he just rides off into the sunset is a bit off the mark when you look at the raw figures that are required to do this.

Um, yes, that's exactly what he would do (if he didn't use the tactics The Hitch proposed).

Did you see the TTT at Tirreno-Adriatico this year? Cancellara basically destroyed his own team there pulling at the front almost the entire time, and that was a relatively short TT, and I don't think he even gave 100%.

 

[Astana1]

From the looks of Cavendish these days, Fabian may want to suck his wheel for 199kms. Cav would certainly punch a nice big hole in the air.

 

[Astana1]

Nice new F1 inspired bike though...

 

[Captain_Cavman]

But I wasn't interested in having a "Who would win in a fight, Batman or Superman?" type of discussion. I genuinely wanted to educate myself about the fundamentals of bike racing. I got a resounding consensus on the answer being Cancellara so I consider myself educated.

In hindsight I shouldn't have picked the most loved and most hated (Lance has retired, right?) riders in the pro peloton, that was just asking for trouble. What I should have asked was "Could a top time triallist drop a top sprinter without a hill, cobbled section, or tight corner to make the separation?"

If you phrase the question this way, the answer is that (probably) Cancellara would not be able to simply TT away from any top sprinter.

In order to drop Cavendish, he would rely on sudden sustained accelerations to create his gap. I.e. it's his classics ability which creates the gap and his TT ability which makes it impossible to close again.

If the question was, "Can Wiggins drop Cavendish over 200 Km?" I think the answer would be, "No."

 

[boomcie]

Seriously, this is one ****ed up thread.
Maybe we should just have the race, cause this is all just pure fantasy...
Batman vs. Superman: funny.

 

[jens_attacks]

what about those navy seals?and the pickle?

 

[taiwan]

Cancellara can ride away from others in a race situation because there are multiple tactical battles going on and this creates hesitations and "games" where people wait for other to chase.

If someone you know can win rides away like that it trumps all other tactical considerations. When riders hesitate in those situations it's just because they're tired.

I am not sure that Cancellara provides much less draft than a 4ft11 50kg italian girl riding a vespa, but I might be wrong. I have not seen the figures for this.

Does Cav's girlfriend really do his motorpacing? Evidence of this and the power figures and we'll talk.

The peleton also rides faster than Cancellara on his own

Sometimes.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Given that the putative race takes place on a motorway, rather than a 2ft wide path, Cancellara could presumably open a gap pretty easily by zigzagging and weaving, makinghimself difficult to predict, and therefore to follow closely. Gap within the first 500m if he wants it.

 

[ultimobici]

Given that the putative race takes place on a motorway, rather than a 2ft wide path, Cancellara could presumably open a gap pretty easily by zigzagging and weaving, makinghimself difficult to predict, and therefore to follow closely. Gap within the first 500m if he wants it.

You do realise that Cavendish is not just a road sprinter but a trackie with couple of those multi-coloured jerseys in his wardrobe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Career_accomplishments_of_Mark_Cavendish#Major_track_results

 

[Clearly Unstable]

Awesome, just awesome. I've learned so much!

 

[El Pistolero]

When 2 dogs fight over a bone Gilbert wins.

 

[Ad Rock]

NO question.... Cancellara would set such a ridiculous pace that Cav would be dropped with 60-100kms to go and finish 10 minutes in the rear. Cav would crash into something and finish all bloodied up, and complain that it was unfair and/or he just had bad luck. Cav is awesome with 600m to go; when 9 teammates have been pulling him for the last 199.4kms... Cancellara excels by pushing a crazy pace for long distances and with noone there to help him out.... in a 200km drag race against the Swiss Machine, Cav wouldn't even stand a chance.

 

[El Pistolero]

Seriously, this is one ****ed up thread.
Maybe we should just have the race, cause this is all just pure fantasy...
Batman vs. Superman: funny.

Goku vs Superman

 

[taiwan]

Goku vs Superman

Goku>Superman>Batman.

Need you even ask?

 

[Jamsque]

James Bond vs Batman

 

[Mambo95]

James Bond vs Batman

Well that depends.

Christian Bale beats Roger Moore, but Sean Connery beats Adam West.


(As for Cav v Canc. FC would win as Cavendish would be the first to realise the poitlessness of the exercise and quit).

 

[fatsprintking]

Some people would say that my pondering of who would win a fantasy street fight between Michael Rasmussen and Janez Brajkovic is also pointless, but it doesnt stop me from gaining a lot of pleasure from thinking about it.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Ras would win

Goku>Superman>Batman.

Need you even ask?

Vegeta>all.

 

[woodie]

Ras would win



Vegeta>all.

No way, Goku would kick his ****.

 

[ergmonkey]

Some people would say that my pondering of who would win a fantasy street fight between Michael Rasmussen and Janez Brajkovic is also pointless, but it doesnt stop me from gaining a lot of pleasure from thinking about it.

There's absolutely no way Brajkovic can handle this (the guy's got a barbed wire biceps tattoo, for God's sake):

 

[fatsprintking]

There's absolutely no way Brajkovic can handle this (the guy's got a barbed wire biceps tattoo, for God's sake):

Personally I would be more intimidated by his chest moles.