Who would win if TDF was raced as TT ???

[sublimit]

Ive been giving this a little more thought.

One of these guys would win

Nah too soft. Chris Froome could take them standing on his head even if they relayed each other

 

[sublimit]

How could Martin ever win? Do you count the time he loses on 1 mountain, let stand a stage with 3 mountains??

This is why Wiggins, or Froome would do well. I suppose it depends on the parcours in the end.

This years Giro Contador would walk that IMO.

 

[auscyclefan94]

In which case, why is only the guy saying that Contador would win, delusional.

Why aren't all those posters saying Evans, also delusional, considering Evans is a gt rider like Contador, just weaker in climbs and tts (stronger on sprints which means nothing here).

Firstly, this is much different to a traditional GT. lets get that straight. Secondly I think you are delusional regarding this topic. The reason why I or many others couldn't be bothered to argue about it because it is a situation that will never happen and it is simply just a make belief situation that nobody really cares about.

I don't think Tony Martin would be too far off from the win in this hypothetical situation.

 

[The Hitch]

I haven't called you delusional. I just think you're wrong. I doubt Evans wins either, although his slightly larger build makes me feel less sure. Frankly Bertie's iffy 2010 TTs over 50km of flat is putting people off him. It just seems implausible for a 62kilo guy to put out the necessary wattage for 5 hours. He is precisely the type of rider who benefits most from a team, and a peloton, to take him to a climb fresh.

You are responding to the post in which I ask "Where is the delusion in that" which is why i asked that.

Rgearding Cadel being better on flats, as i have poiinted out before the tt Contador beat Cancellara in was pan flat for 40km (at which point Contador was ahead of Cancellara) and then had a cat 3 climb.

The tt Evans came 2nd in was rolling.

Which is why i think Contador is a better flat tter than Evans.

The best gt tter for a few years was arguably Levi who is 8cm smaller than Contador.

And nothing says Contador couldnt bulk up for this. Clenbuterol is for slimming down you know

I agree with you that maybe a tter (I think Cancellara not Martin) would win this, but my overall point in this is that Contador would beat Evans, for which i have now recieved off topic insults from 4 or 5 different posters.

What is so implausable about a better rider beating a worse one, i have yet to find out, because the Cadel warriors dont offer any analysis after the adhomine,.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Nah.

You're all wrong.

Chris Froome.

I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm half expecting him to win Paris-Roubaix next year, to add cobblestones to the list of "things Chris Froome was mediocre at best at until September 2011", along with climbing gradual climbs, climbing steep climbs, ITT riding, bunch pacing and break control.

 

[Christian]

Back in the olden days the boss and the Kaiser would have had this hands down though

 

[Midnightfright]

I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm half expecting him to win Paris-Roubaix next year, to add cobblestones to the list of "things Chris Froome was mediocre at best at until September 2011", along with climbing gradual climbs, climbing steep climbs, ITT riding, bunch pacing and break control.

Think he will probably content with a podium in the 5 monuments. Atleast 1 GT and the world championship

 

[The Hitch]

Firstly, this is much different to a traditional GT. lets get that straight.
.

Its different?
no **** sherlock.

Secondly I think you are delusional regarding this topic.

Because? Oh surprise surprise, you wont explain to me why Im delusional, you leave it at the insult. You claim you wont explain it to me because "nobody cares".

If you are going to call someone delusional have the balls to explain to them what you mean.

Observe.

For the sake of argument, I will call you stupid.

Explanation:

Because of your well documented inability to understand simple arguments, the comical way you often misread posts and respond with aggression to what you have misread, your tendency to write " would of" then react with aggression when people say its annoying, your tendency to, as you have just done, dismiss an argument you don't like by saying "nobody cares", and many many other things.

( the above paragraph is purely fiction )

The point is that I made a argument (or in this case insult, like you did) but then I backed it up.

You calling me "delusional" then offering the pathetic "nobody cares" line as a smoke screen so that you can run away is called being a coward.

The reason why I or many others couldn't be bothered to argue about it because it is a situation that will never happen and it is simply just a make belief situation that nobody really cares about.

I care. A lot of people are posting in this thread they care. There was a Cancellara vs Cavendish 200km road race thread that went into the hundreds of posts.

Dont confuse your own tastes and interests with that of the general population.

I don't think Tony Martin would be too far off from the win in this hypothetical situation.

I thought you just said you wont argue about it because you don't care?

The reason why I or many others couldn't be bothered to argue about it because it is a situation that will never happen and it is simply just a make belief situation that nobody really cares about.

Classic ACF. Can write 2 sentences, one after another, that totally contradict each-other.

 

[auscyclefan94]

meh, I couldn't be bothered to respond to such babble.

 

[The Hitch]

meh, I couldn't be bothered to respond.

Of course, how could anyone expect the great ACF to actually have to backup his points? To follow up his very coherent and easy to understand sentences?

ACF's posts are like a work of art. Everybody should interpret what he is actually trying to say, differently.

to such babble

You talking about your own post btw?

I will offer no opinion on this subject because I don't care.

The reason why I or many others couldn't be bothered to argue about it because it is a situation that will never happen and it is simply just a make belief situation that nobody really cares about.

However, my opinion is that...

I don't think Tony Martin would be too far off from the win in this hypothetical situation.

 

[hrotha]

How can you guys have such strong opinions about this? It's completely different from what current pro cycling is like. There's no way to know how each rider would do in such an extreme endurance challenge.

Alternatively: Navy Seals FTW.

 

[The Hitch]

How can you guys have such strong opinions about this? It's completely different from what current pro cycling is like. There's no way to know how each rider would do in such an extreme endurance challenge.

Alternatively: Navy Seals FTW.

The heat isnt coming from the discussion regarding who would win this nonexistent race.

Its coming from the insults being thrown around and to a lesser extent, the discussion about which of Evans and Contador is the better tter. Mainly from the insults though. If words like fanboy and delusional weren't thrown around this thread wouldn't have half the posts it has.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Toni Martin or Cancellara would win easily because of all the flat stages.

I would have to get used to the idea that Baby Scheck doesn't finish second.

 

[boomcie]

This thread was supposed to get about 30 replies max. What the heck are you guys still discussing? It's a completely hypothetical question, all the contenders have been named and still people feel like this thread is viable. I tried following it, but it went from interesting to plain silly.

Not sure if anyone has done it yet, but the only thing this thread misses is someone trying to prove 'scientifically' that their rider would win it.

Please don't.

 

[Midnightfright]

This thread was supposed to get about 30 replies max. What the heck are you guys still discussing? It's a completely hypothetical question, all the contenders have been named and still people feel like this thread is viable. I tried following it, but it went from interesting to plain silly.

Not sure if anyone has done it yet, but the only thing this thread misses is someone trying to prove 'scientifically' that their rider would win it.

Please don't.

You have only yourself to blame for putting the thought into someone's head.

 

[sublimit]

Peter Sagan would win while smoking a cigar..

 

[The Hitch]

This thread was supposed to get about 30 replies max. What the heck are you guys still discussing? It's a completely hypothetical question, all the contenders have been named and still people feel like this thread is viable. I tried following it, but it went from interesting to plain silly.

Not sure if anyone has done it yet, but the only thing this thread misses is someone trying to prove 'scientifically' that their rider would win it.

Please don't.

1 is it as ridiculous as this http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10984
?

In that thread most of the posts actually discuss the subjects.

2 If you read the thread you will find its actually discussing tt abilities. Specifically between Contador and Cadel.

Dont judge a thread by its title.

As I recall, this similar thread http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=13897 ended up at one point taking up all of the forum traffic.

But if someone read the thread they would notice that all of that discussion was actually people discussing the Dutch language.

Similarly this thread might start of asking for an answer to a hypothetical race, but has since then progressed to a debate about who is the better cyclist, who is the better tter. Legitimate topics.

The other half of this thread is taken up by insults, and adhominems,
I dont particularly care what a thread is about, if someone calls me a fanboy or calls me delusional, or tells me they dont think i am worthy of a responce from their superior intellect (see cineteqs post), I will repsond.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

This thread was supposed to get about 30 replies max. What the heck are you guys still discussing? It's a completely hypothetical question, all the contenders have been named and still people feel like this thread is viable. I tried following it, but it went from interesting to plain silly.

Not sure if anyone has done it yet, but the only thing this thread misses is someone trying to prove 'scientifically' that their rider would win it.

Please don't.

can i say its a if we had some ham we could have ham and eggs if we had any eggs...thingy but i am with Hitch on this, contador will in.

 

[mulletCobra]

Speaking of Eminem, I like the candy that was named after him. I wonder what would happen if he changed his name to Skittle.... hmmm. Oh, I could wonder all day about candy and rappers. Hey, candy and rappers! Candy rappers! Get it? They're like, rappers named after candy, and it's such a wonderful pun. Candy, wrappers. <eyebrow movements> If you don't get it, it means like, "candy wrappers", which are those paper things that go around your candy. Now I want some candy. Who else wants some candy? Because I want some candy! Who doesn't want candy? Once I knew a guy one, he hated candy. Really, I don't know how that's possible. There's like supposed to be something in mammal phylegony (did I spell that right?) that makes it so that everybody likes candy. Except maybe him, I realised, once I met him. Or maybe he is lying. I don't know if I told you this before, but I hate liers. And people with bad spelling. They absolutely ruin the chance of an article looking falsely serious to be funny. Phylogeny's a funny word. It's like 'phylo' and 'geny' together... Filo and Genie, get it? No I guess you don't. Ooh, look, squeriils!!!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Speaking of Eminem, I like the candy that was named after him. I wonder what would happen if he changed his name to Skittle.... hmmm. Oh, I could wonder all day about candy and rappers. Hey, candy and rappers! Candy rappers! Get it? They're like, rappers named after candy, and it's such a wonderful pun. Candy, wrappers. <eyebrow movements> If you don't get it, it means like, "candy wrappers", which are those paper things that go around your candy. Now I want some candy. Who else wants some candy? Because I want some candy! Who doesn't want candy? Once I knew a guy one, he hated candy. Really, I don't know how that's possible. There's like supposed to be something in mammal phylegony (did I spell that right?) that makes it so that everybody likes candy. Except maybe him, I realised, once I met him. Or maybe he is lying. I don't know if I told you this before, but I hate liers. And people with bad spelling. They absolutely ruin the chance of an article looking falsely serious to be funny. Phylogeny's a funny word. It's like 'phylo' and 'geny' together... Filo and Genie, get it? No I guess you don't. Ooh, look, squeriils!!!

Very deep, well typed.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

 

[boomcie]

@hitch. Thanks for the explanation boyo.

 

[theyoungest]

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

You mean Noam Chomsky could win the Tour?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Just read this thread. Have a headache from all the facepalms I did.

Based on this year Cadel.

*facepalm*

So when you can't justify Contador over Evans, you just talk nonsense? It's time for you to put aside your fanboyism and recognize Evans as the best overall rider of 2011 and most likely 2012.

*facepalm*

Unless the 2009 TDF Conti shows up, its Wiggins or Evans.

*facepalm* , in fact *another facepalm*

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Not sure if you guys knew this, but AC rode a little race in italy a month before the tour. True it was only 3474 km long, with more then half being mountainious stages of some some sort. Probably the hardest GT on paper I have seen in a long time.

He actualy won that race, by an amazing 6 minutes.
People made the mistake at the time suggesting it was an easy win, and he won 'effortlessly'. You don't win a GT by 6 minutes, and do it easily. Some of the stages he rode there is something we'll never see in the tour. Stage 15 he called the hardest day of racing in his entire life. Took the winner more then 7 hours.

He then rode the tour, and still managed to take 5th place, despite the fatigue, despite a crash. Ater two long, difficult grand tours, he was just 1 minute behind in the final itt.

The idea that AC was not the best GT guy this year, is hilarious. And truly points out all of your ignorance.
The idea that he was better in 09' is even more hilarious.
What a feat he achieved this year. The day cuddles does anything like that I like tatoo a cuddles face on my forehead, which will make me want to do a permanent facepalm in reality.

AC >>>>>>>>>>>> cuddles. This should be no discussion.

Also people suggesting this format would suit cuddles better.
Keep in mind, prior to this tour, Cuddles would often struggle in the final week of a GT. I guess he wins one GT and the world forget about the rest of his career. Contador historically has a much better recovery rate, and has shown to always have great legs in a 3rd week -barring this tour, where he had a long hard giro in his legs- so in terms of recovery and endurance, no way does cuddles beat AC. And obviously in bizarro land if such a race happend I'm sure AC would train accordingly. I;m not saying AC would win, or even beat evans, but I am laughing greatly at the cuddles=god comments. Ignorance.

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In regards to the actual topic, my thoughs...

1) Anyone who finishes this race is an incredible athlete.
2) Not only would the rider have to be incredibly fit, but the mental strength it would take to ride 3500km on your lonesome in competitive maner would be so very difficult.
3) In regards to that thought, really brings perspective to the early ediitions of these races where it was everyone man for himself. Insane.
BTW the time gaps were huge, anyone thinking they would be close, are not thinking straight.
4) As for a winner, I have no idea.
Way too hard to tell, maybe martin or canc wins, maybe levi wins, this is a too insane format to base any logic from races we watch.

It's a completely different event. Like saying Bolt is the best 'runner' so he'd probably win a marathon.

This is just a idiotic comparison really.

Same sport, different format.
Your comparison would be more appropiate saying, hey hoy wins on track so obviously wins this endurance event.

Bolt = spriner. Not Endurance. There are guys who run long distance,as there are events.

At least Conta is a road racer, and with no 21-stage-itt-in-a-row-for-3500km riders in exsistance the next best comparison is the road racers which conta is.

just a dumb comment really.

 

[cineteq]

Just read this thread. Have a headache from all the facepalms I did.

The idea that AC was not the best GT guy this year, is hilarious. And truly points out all of your ignorance.
The idea that he was better in 09' is even more hilarious.
What a feat he achieved this year. The day cuddles does anything like that I like tatoo a cuddles face on my forehead, which will make me want to do a permanent facepalm in reality.

Having said that, you definitely deserve a global facepalm for your comments.
Big Mig asked me to send you this:
Miguel Indurain names Cadel Evans as his rider of the season

Hope you like it, and don't dare to disagree