Who would win if TDF was raced as TT ???

[Task_Force]

there can be only one...

TGBM

 

[bicing]

Hitch, I didn't read your posts intricately but did I read you suggest that Sanchez would out-do Evans in a race like this? What has Sanchez done to suggest he could do this? I can't think of one thing except maybe downhill which is not as important.

Your persistence in justifying your opinion which everyone considers a joke clearly proves that you've lost it my friend. I

 

[Angliru]

Best climber of all time? Even last year he was no better a climber than Schleck. They were basically equals.And he isn't the best TTer of the contenders. Everything equal, I'd back Evans and Wiggins ahead of him in most TTs. Those three are well and truly the top three though.

Maybe not the best of all time but as far as AS being equal are you forgetting why that was? Your post implies that AS had bridged the gap (if you in fact believe one ever existed), climbing wise. At his best and Evans and Wiggins at there's I'd give them both the edge on flat TT's but Contador certainly in the hilly and mountainous TT's.

 

[Angliru]

I think since the tour and seeing Alberto at la vuelta, you have become star struck by him. You really can't compare Evans during the giro last with Contador in the giro this year. Evans would come a lot closer than you think. Evans is head and shoulders above Sanchez. He's a hack.

Now if someone were to call your beloved Evans "a hack" your little panties would instinctively ride up on you and we would be the recipients of such a relentless estrogen fueled, high-pitched rant (with CAPITILIZED letters and all types of expletives) from you that our monitors would begin to smoke.

 

[Angliru]

Tell you who else would go well.

Stick man with Cobble - can ride all day on the front, can climb well hard as

Excuse my ignorance but I don't have any idea who you're talking about.

 

[Midnightfright]

Excuse my ignorance but I don't have any idea who you're talking about.

Van summeren he's the stick man and has the cobble as he's the most recent winner of Paris Roubaix.

 

[Angliru]

I think the most important attribute is the ability to recover day after day following a hard effort and in a 3 week, no drafting, "TT" competition I would have to go with the gc contenders that are the most well rounded: Evans, Contador and maybe Wiggins. Evans and Contador especially because they appear to be the most durable and strong-minded of the bunch. I think it would be close between the two of them and my allegiance to the Spaniards would not allow me to admit Evans had the edge, if in fact he did.

 

[Angliru]

As I said before stick man with Cobble.

Thanks for the visual. I truly didn't catch the hints you gave but should've.

 

[Angliru]

Hitch, I didn't read your posts intricately but did I read you suggest that Sanchez would out-do Evans in a race like this? What has Sanchez done to suggest he could do this? I can't think of one thing except maybe downhill which is not important.

Your persistence in justifying your opinion which everyone considers a joke clearly proves that you've lost it my friend. I

How can downhill talent not be important if one is ascending and descending multiple mountains on a daily or semi-daily basis? It has be factored into the equation at least.

 

[Angliru]

Van summeren he's the stick man and has the cobble as he's the most recent winner of Paris Roubaix.

Thanks! "Cobble" and "Stickman" should've been dead giveaways. It's early yet, I'm still sleepwalking!

 

[bicing]

How can downhill talent not be important if one is ascending and descending multiple mountains on a daily or semi-daily basis? It has be factored into the equation at least.

Sorry, not AS important.
Thank you for prompting my correction.

 

[meat puppet]

To be honest, I struggle to see Contador doing well in this format, without a complete body reshape.

You'd want to be around 75 Kilos for this - the winner needs to be comfortable churning out 300-350W 5 hours a day, for 3 weeks.

My thoughts exactly.

Contador might have the ultimate engine in terms of design, relative size and perhaps efficiency, but it is simply to small in absolute terms with regard to this type of racing. Personally I think he has not the ultimate one but a top level engine and an insane lactate tolerance that is needed when he attacks. Now Conti is what, 60-62 kilos when in race shape, no? In other words, to hit those numbers he would have to put out watts 5+W/kg, constantly. I dont think so.

In order to recover and repeat the drill the next day, I would assume that the sustained effort on a stage should at most a bit above the aerobic threshold, hence well below "tempo" and definitely miles below FTP.

Also I would think that the ability to sustain the best possible TT position would become one of the key things in such a race. If I remember correctly 40kph can be reached with ~250W with a very good aero position or something to that effect.

However, in a race like this the guy pushing 300+ W would probably win in the end. There are simply so much more flat kilometers than climbing ones.

 

[sublimit]

I still say only one or two riders would finish

Stage 1 - 220km over rolling terrain with wind, and intermitent rain. How many riders would finish outside of the time limit??? You could probably wipe out 25% of the field straight off.

None of the big riders would be able to ride well every day, the nature of time trialling means you are using a lot more energy and everyone would have a few bad days.

i would guess that by the end of the first week we would be down to 6 or 7 riders.

By the middle of the second week we would be down to maybe four, Wiggins, Cancellara, Contador, Evans, and then by the end of three days in the mountains there would only be 1 or 2 left. The final ten days would see two riders battling it out.

Wiggins would go well, he's already shown he can go on solo long breaks before, I think he was away for 160 K or something alone in 2007 for a TDF stage.

Evans has fantastic endurance and would be up there, but the lighter climbing specialists would find it too tough on the long flat stuff.

 

[The Hitch]

What you don't seemed to have addresed yet Hitch is just how would each rider deal with 15 days of nearly 200k TT a day. All the numbers we have are for compartively shorter disances so its hard to get a fair idea of just how well somone would do in a 150km mountain stage. Altough I do agree the results we have to work with suggest Contador.

Well what i am principally arguing against here is that Evans would beat The Great One and beat Samu Menchov, Nibali, Gesink by hourse because he is some sort of super tt + gc rider who always crushes these guys.

Hence i do not need to adress that point because if Contador fails there, so does Evans.

I do agree that maybe Canc would win this though. His ability to pace himself as well as bikehandling would get him dozens of free minutes before endurance is even factored in.

 

[Midnightfright]

Thanks! "Cobble" and "Stickman" should've been dead giveaways. It's early yet, I'm still sleepwalking!

I know the feeling man. The otherwise day I couldn't understand who this Piti character that was being talked about was. Fortunately I woke up before asking what the hell everyone was talking about.

 

[The Hitch]

2009? That was long time ago, it's irrelevant. The day you'd stop writing these one-sentence-paragraphs (did anybody tell how hard is too read that?) and offer concise and unbiased analysis, that day, I will start considering you a serious poster, in the meantime you're just a fanboy rambling about your favorite riders.

You do realise that even if someone is a fanboy that does not mean their input should be rejected. This is a pretty basic.

You dont just get to claim someone is biased if you dont like what they are saying.

Otherwise demagogues like you can just dismiss anyone they dont agree with as a "fanboy" and claim that their opinion is therefore worthless.

In reality it doesnt matter if Im Contadors mother, brother, sister or just a fan who admires him (as well as half the peloton). My opinion is as valid as yours.

 

[Midnightfright]

Well what i am principally arguing against here is that Evans would beat The Great One and beat Samu Menchov, Nibali, Gesink by hourse because he is some sort of super tt + gc rider who always crushes these guys.

Hence i do not need to adress that point because if Contador fails there, so does Evans.

I do agree that maybe Canc would win this though. His ability to pace himself as well as bikehandling would get him dozens of free minutes before endurance is even factored in.

Fair enough I was wondering why u were ingnoring that when u were discussing the winner of this hypothetical tour. My apologies if it seemed like I was having ago.

 

[Old School]

Contador wins this, hands down.

Hitch is right.

 

[Sophistic]

Unless the 2009 TDF Conti shows up, its Wiggins or Evans.

 

[taiwan]

Unless the 2009 TDF Conti shows up, its Wiggins or Evans.

Agree. Or Martin IMO.

 

[Escarabajo]

Lance Armstrong

Kinda weird idea though. Like asking who would win the team pursuit at the olympics if they rode on horses.

But to answer the question, there would probably only be 1 or 2 finishers. A large portion of the field would be elliminated on the first full stage for finishing outside the time, and everyone else would be eliminated by the end of the first three days in the mountains. Contador would then have to ride about 2000km on his own for the last ten days.

LOL. I like this answer.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

a normal tdf i would go with Martin, but in the Giro Contador would probably win with 5 hours

 

[Angliru]

I know the feeling man. The otherwise day I couldn't understand who this Piti character that was being talked about was. Fortunately I woke up before asking what the hell everyone was talking about.

Yep sometimes it's best to remain silent till you catch on, something I should have done.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Hmm, might be interesting to try this in Cycling Manager

 

[Havetts]

Hmm, might be interesting to try this in Cycling Manager

! That would be so awkward, its pretty hard to do TT's already and then you have to gauge your power for 200 km.