Why I quit

[Hugh Januss]

Anyone who ever raced against or knew Joe would have told you he was a ******. As 13131313 said, the enemy of my enemy... He was liked here because he played right into your hands. Told you what you wanted to hear.

RR knew not to trust him, he even said so. He made a mistake and replied from the wrong email. A fault totally his own and not any fault of CN. I suspect its why his response has been so reasoned.

I think you went a little heavy on the 13s.
I raced with a guy who shared a house back east with Papp for a while and he told me years ago that he was a deadbeat at the least. I defended him for a while simply because he seemed to be saying the right things now, but clearly his sole motivation is "what is best for Joe".
Mistake or not on RR's part, if that mistake is taken advantage of for profit, then he should be banned here. Whether CN has any liability or not.

 

[Hugh Januss]

And finally, he speaks via Twitter:



...

Yes Joe, just stop.

 

[thehog]

Is he really still living in Mommy's basement?

Its a nice basement. It has carpet on the floor and walls.

 

[hrotha]

Look what the scumbag has to say now:

That's nothing.

Joe Papp ‏@joepabike

I am not joepabike

 

[rhubroma]

Good post.
I too supported Joe against a lot of abuse here when he was just Joe the doper - but when it was revealed he had also been dealing my view soured.
Particularly becasue he did a one on one interview with our own Alpe d'Huez just before it became public that the Feds had come a knockin' and he did not reveal it then.

On CN and their role.
Well - I too had contact from Joe, but looking back I signed off using 3 different names and had two addresses and only emailed from a Drmaserati email account I had set up - not sure why I was suspicious but I obviously was.

I think CN had no idea of the scale of what may have happened - however they could have given a general warning or addressed the issue earlier.

Well, talk about Byzantine.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Yes Joe, just stop.

It appears that someone has hacked Joe's Twitter account. This ought to be fun to watch.

 

[the asian]

Didn't know any of this until now.

if CN didn't want to ban Papp, they at least should have informed the regular posters of the incident because several later incidents like Chewbacca's could have been avoided.

It seems to have been poor judgement on CN's part.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Holy mother of God, I've just read this whole topic through, I had no idea. (Why would I since I avoid the clinic..)

So as a complete Clinic outsider, but someone who has been around here for a while, my two cents -

CN have acted in a manner that may have initially been suggested by legal advice. However, considering subsequent developments that were known about by those in authority (not our mods and admins, obviously,) I really think that CN have acted in an ethically and morally pretty reprehensible way by not at the very least warning those Clinic posters who would be most at risk from these underhand and nefarious approaches by JP.

A shocking case of responsible management dropping the ball in a big way, and I certainly hope that he has been banned forthwith.

I'd also like to express my surprise at the almost *****-cat like reaction here of our learned friend, Chewy. I would have expected his previous persona to have exploded in an historic barrage of inventive invective at this news. Now, all we get is "not cool". I'm disappointed.

(closing humor deliberately added to lighten things up)

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Holy mother of God, I've just read this whole topic through, I had no idea. (Why would I since I avoid the clinic..)

So as a complete Clinic outsider, but someone who has been around here for a while, my two cents -

CN have acted in a manner that may have initially been suggested by legal advice. However, considering subsequent developments that were known about by those in authority (not our mods and admins, obviously,) I really think that CN have acted in an ethically and morally pretty reprehensible way by not at the very least warning those Clinic posters who would be most at risk from these underhand and nefarious approaches by JP.

A shocking case of responsible management dropping the ball in a big way, and I certainly hope that he has been banned forthwith.

I'd also like to express my surprise at the almost *****-cat like reaction here of our learned friend, Chewy. I would have expected his previous persona to have exploded in an historic barrage of inventive invective at this news. Now, all we get is "not cool". I'm disappointed.

(closing humor deliberately added to lighten things up)

****ing law school is teaching me to measure my responses much more carefully...or maybe there is a mild mannered person in me just trying to break out?

 

[Amsterhammer]

I forgot to express my respect and admiration to Barrus for the information in the original post, and for his principled behavior.

(@thirteen - jeez, I had no idea you're notorious. What are you doing for the play-offs in a few weeks? PM?)

 

[Elagabalus]

...RR knew not to trust him, he even said so. He made a mistake and replied from the wrong email. A fault totally his own and not any fault of CN. I suspect its why his response has been so reasoned.

That's true as far as it goes. However, if they banned Buckwheat for going after a CN Editor offsite, then surely it wouldn't be much trouble to ban Papp.

 

[joe_papp]

...
A while back it came to the attention of the CN staff that Joe Papp used a false method to get to know the identity of RR. He did so in order to get this information to LA and associates who had offered him money, or some manner of help in getting a lighter sentence for his doping related offences...

I reject your allegations categorically and forcefully, and the fact that you suggest that the Federal Court would base a reduction in my sentence on something transpiring via cyclingnews.com forum goes beyond ridiculous to the point of not meriting a response, beyond a reiteration of my rejection of your allegations.

It appears that someone has hacked Joe's Twitter account. This ought to be fun to watch.

I do confirm, though, that my Twitter account was compromised, and unknown other accounts may have been compromised. For all I know, this user Barrus may have been the one to hack my Twitter - a statement based about as much in fact as the suppositions littering the initial post.

 

[BroDeal]

I reject your allegations forcefully, and the fact that you suggest that the Federal Court would base a reduction in my sentence on something transpiring via cyclingnews.com forum goes beyond ridiculous to the point of not meriting a response, beyond a reiteration of my rejection of your allegations.

So you did it for money instead of hope that Armstrong's connected lawyers and lobbyists could put in a good word for you with the feds. That makes it even worse.

 

[hrotha]

I reject your allegations forcefully, and the fact that you suggest that the Federal Court would base a reduction in my sentence on something transpiring via cyclingnews.com forum goes beyond ridiculous to the point of not meriting a response, beyond a reiteration of my rejection of your allegations.

Nice strawmanning.

 

[131313]

Since the title of this thread is "why I quit", I have to say that I'm not sure I can really take loggin into the forum much longer myself. Papp has nothing to do with it. I feel as though I'm about to have a seizure from the ads. Yeah, I realize that advertisements pay for all of this, but having to open a browser without adblock is going to have me logging in less and less.

Anyway, on to Papp. Among my many talents, I'm a keen observer of human nature. While there are a ton of red flags into Papp's lack of character, here is one of the biggest ones for me: his blog picture. He's still hanging onto the career that he never even should have had. He still has his doped-up results listed on his wiki page. If you still list your discredited results on your wiki page, you have issues... (take a look at Zajicek for a guy who's really in need of an intervention!).

I feel badly for those burned by Papp, and in a weird sense I feel badly for him as well. You have to be in a pretty bad place to act this way, and be so disconnected from your own reality.

I also agree with Brodeal's comment that RR shares some responsiblity as well. While he obviously saw the same things that I saw, he probably should have been a little more proactive in letting others know once he realized what was actually going on.

 

[Maxiton]

Since the title of this thread is "why I quit", I have to say that I'm not sure I can really take loggin into the forum much longer myself. Papp has nothing to do with it. I feel as though I'm about to have a seizure from the ads. Yeah, I realize that advertisements pay for all of this, but having to open a browser without adblock is going to have me logging in less and less.

Anyway, on to Papp. Among my many talents, I'm a keen observer of human nature. While there are a ton of red flags into Papp's lack of character, here is one of the biggest ones for me: his blog picture. He's still hanging onto the career that he never even should have had. He still has his doped-up results listed on his wiki page. If you still list your discredited results on your wiki page, you have issues... (take a look at Zajicek for a guy who's really in need of an intervention!).

I feel badly for those burned by Papp, and in a weird sense I feel badly for him as well. You have to be in a pretty bad place to act this way, and be so disconnected from your own reality.

I also agree with Brodeal's comment that RR shares some responsiblity as well. While he obviously saw the same things that I saw, he probably should have been a little more proactive in letting others know once he realized what was actually going on.

That is an excellent point.

 

[mewmewmew13]

It's becoming more clear how many forumites have been pm'd by Papp in the past with the offer of 'would like to collaborate--pm me'...

 

[cprior]

For all I know, ...

Stop digging.

Daniel Benson confirmed the OP ffs!


You are burnt here to such a degree that even me lurker posts to express my disgust!

 

[joe_papp]

Interesting, Papp got me to email him outside of here too just a few months ago. I emailed him from my law school email so he has most of my personal information. If I remember correctly, it happened pretty soon after Lance and I had an altercation on Twitter. Hmm...

He engaged me in the same way. PM here and then asked for my personal email. Interestingly, it started with me asking him if he thought Lance would screw with my personal life because of the altercation I had with Lance on twitter...In fact, here is the PM between Joe and I where he gave me his personal email address. I will black out the email address, but it does make me wonder now...Probably nothing illegal, but maybe some civil liability if my personal information ends up in the public sphere. Maybe not in my case since I gave my name on Twitter and here, though I didn't give my legal name, I used the nickname I have always gone by...but my school email has my legal name.

Here is the PM


We emailed back and forth a couple of times, and then nothing more.

As a future lawyer, if you're implying that I turned over your personal information to anyone, I'd ask you to make that accusation directly, because - since it's absolutely false - it would be good that this allegation be 100% unambiguous, so that any liability (if there was any - I'm not a lawyer, or future lawyer, after all) - would be yours, perhaps for falsely accusing me of something or otherwise endeavoring to maliciously spread falsehoods damaging to my reputation. lol.

 

[MarkvW]

I reject your allegations categorically and forcefully, and the fact that you suggest that the Federal Court would base a reduction in my sentence on something transpiring via cyclingnews.com forum goes beyond ridiculous to the point of not meriting a response, beyond a reiteration of my rejection of your allegations.



I do confirm, though, that my Twitter account was compromised, and unknown other accounts may have been compromised. For all I know, this user Barrus may have been the one to hack my Twitter - a statement based about as much in fact as the suppositions littering the initial post.

Thanks for the non-denial denial, Mr. Papp. Now we know where you don't stand.

But answer the most important question: Are you still living in your Mommy's basement?

 

[mewmewmew13]

I reject your allegations categorically and forcefully, and the fact that you suggest that the Federal Court would base a reduction in my sentence on something transpiring via cyclingnews.com forum goes beyond ridiculous to the point of not meriting a response, beyond a reiteration of my rejection of your allegations.



I do confirm, though, that my Twitter account was compromised, and unknown other accounts may have been compromised. For all I know, this user Barrus may have been the one to hack my Twitter - a statement based about as much in fact as the suppositions littering the initial post.

Why don't you check in with your 'friend' the disgraced cyclist lance Armstrong, about your hacked account...This type of bs is right up his alley.

I for one can't believe that you are still here.

 

[hrotha]

For all I know, this user Barrus may have been the one to hack my Twitter - a statement based about as much in fact as the suppositions littering the initial post.

Oh? Did I miss the plethora of CN staff/mods confirming that Barrus hacked your Twitter account?

 

[MarkvW]

As a future lawyer, if you're implying that I turned over your personal information to anyone, I'd ask you to make that accusation directly, because - since it's absolutely false - it would be good that this allegation be 100% unambiguous, so that any liability (if there was any - I'm not a lawyer, or future lawyer, after all) - would be yours, perhaps for falsely accusing me of something or otherwise endeavoring to maliciously spread falsehoods damaging to my reputation. lol.

"Damaging" Joe Papp's "reputation?"

Wouldn't that be akin to bombing rubble?

 

[Cyivel]

Papp don't preach, you're in trouble deep
Papp don't preach, you're a using creep
But I made up my mind, you're bleeping shady
You're bleeping shady mmm

 

[thehog]

Papp don't preach, you're in trouble deep
Papp don't preach, you're a using creep
But I made up my mind, you're bleeping shady
You're bleeping shady mmm

I'm gonna keep my baby.