Why I quit

[Cyivel]

Gave myself a bit of license there brother.

 

[Elagabalus]

Thanks for the non-denial denial, Mr. Papp. Now we know where you don't stand.

But answer the most important question: Are you still living in your Mommy's basement?

I think the most important question is, did you, in fact, give out Race Radio's personal information to anyone, yes or no?

 

[Elagabalus]

"Damaging" Joe Papp's "reputation?"

Wouldn't that be akin to bombing rubble?

I was going to mention a while ago wrt Chewie and the others Mr. Papp still has plausible deniability-not much but a little.

 

[MarkvW]

I think the most important question is, did you, in fact, give out Race Radio's personal information to anyone, yes or no?

Papp has been accused of doing the kind of sleazy, disreputable stuff that private investigators do all the time. There's not even a hint of illegality as far as I can see.

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon of accusing Papp of anything. That kind of accusation is for people who can back up the accusation with proof. I don't have access to that proof, so I'm not going to be accusing the lying cheat of anything.

And, seriously, ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW whether or not Joe is still living in his mommy's basement!

It's foolish to ask Joe about anything related to selling info to LA. Either he's going to lie to you, or he's going to tell you the truth. Either way, you'd be a fool to trust anything he says.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

As a future lawyer, if you're implying that I turned over your personal information to anyone, I'd ask you to make that accusation directly, because - since it's absolutely false - it would be good that this allegation be 100% unambiguous, so that any liability (if there was any - I'm not a lawyer, or future lawyer, after all) - would be yours, perhaps for falsely accusing me of something or otherwise endeavoring to maliciously spread falsehoods damaging to my reputation. lol.

You're a public figure, not to mention that I am allowed to speculate all I want. That I find it interesting that on the very day I get into an altercation with Lance on Twitter, YOU contacted ME, and then asked me to converse outside of the forum PM is in no way violative of any law. You are right, you aren't an attorney. You are so far off the mark that it's laughable. I do note that with this reply, you also emailed my personal account again today unsolicited. I think after this response, I will refrain from engaging you on any forum other than a public one.

And I will remain as ambiguous as I want. I'll get specific when I have specific information. That's how these things work.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

"Damaging" Joe Papp's "reputation?"

Wouldn't that be akin to bombing rubble?

Slow clap....progressing into full riotous applause! Bravo good sir, bravo.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

As a future lawyer, if you're implying that I turned over your personal information to anyone, I'd ask you to make that accusation directly, because - since it's absolutely false - it would be good that this allegation be 100% unambiguous, so that any liability (if there was any - I'm not a lawyer, or future lawyer, after all) - would be yours, perhaps for falsely accusing me of something or otherwise endeavoring to maliciously spread falsehoods damaging to my reputation. lol.

And Joe, if my information was sold and they paid over $5 for it, they were cheated and you were overpaid. But that is mere supposition.

 

[Benotti69]

That's true as far as it goes. However, if they banned Buckwheat for going after a CN Editor offsite, then surely it wouldn't be much trouble to ban Papp.

Well it shows what we are dealing with when CN can ban Buckwheat from the forum and leave Papp here.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Guys,

I just received this message. Since Joe's PM box is full and he is obviously reading this thread, I'm going to reply to him here. I trust that, should he attempt to contact me again, CN will take action.

"Ironically enough, in that unfortunate email, I mentioned some bad stuff happening to me and how angry I was that people knew and did nothing. Let's just call it a pet peeve of mine. "

I'm just curious as to who you are, and what this refers to. I've hundreds of unread email still, unfortunately, but wondering if yours is among them, or if it's something we already corresponded on?

I can't even begin to tell you how ridiculously laughable the speculation swirling around my name is, and how wild the conspiracies are. But if you're suggesting that you revealed personal information to me that I then revealed to someone, I'd like to disabuse you of that notion.

I'm not going to satisfy your curiosity further.

I do not suspect you of handing my personal information on to anyone, because I simply can't see who would be interested.

However, I do believe you have been playing both sides of the doping/anti-doping game for some time, and I find that reprehensible.

Please don't contact me again.

 

[Barrus]

Well it shows what we are dealing with when CN can ban Buckwheat from the forum and leave Papp here.

Look, I'll probably adress more posts and stuff in here tomorrow, but for now lets just say that Buckwheat his comments against me is still one of the worst insults that have ever been hurled at me

 

[diorgen]

Why is this *** joe papp still not banned? Hope he gets it good in real life from someone. What a pile of human garbage he is. Crap rider to boot lol.

 

[Cyivel]

Yo, the R word isn't cool bro.

 

[Digger]

"Damaging" Joe Papp's "reputation?"

Wouldn't that be akin to bombing rubble?

Yeah our arguments aside, that's a good line!

 

[Digger]

Guys,

I just received this message. Since Joe's PM box is full and he is obviously reading this thread, I'm going to reply to him here. I trust that, should he attempt to contact me again, CN will take action.



I'm not going to satisfy your curiosity further.

I do not suspect you of handing my personal information on to anyone, because I simply can't see who would be interested.

However, I do believe you have been playing both sides of the doping/anti-doping game for some time, and I find that reprehensible. Please don't contact me again.

This..........

 

[Jeremiah]

Pretty cool

Look, I'll probably adress more posts and stuff in here tomorrow, but for now lets just say that Buckwheat his comments against me is still one of the worst insults that have ever been hurled at me

that this thread is still on teh charts!

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=9295

This Buckwheat fella is a real legend.

The insult couldn't have been much worse than Wigans dropping the "w" and "c" words....

Has CN banned Wigans? After all, he basically said that about the whole clinic and I for one am shocked and appalled!

 

[BroDeal]

The sad thing about this is that there are many cyclists who doped. Maybe they did not want to, maybe they were unhappy about it, but they had to do what they had to do to continue to work. Now that the sport is getting cleaner, some of them, perhaps lots of them, have tried to move on and put what happened in the past. Some will try to race clean the remainder of their careers. Some might feel the urge to come forward and speak about what went on. Along comes Papp, who not only destroys his own credibility but makes it difficult to believe in the sincerity of other riders who attempt to talk. The others will always be stalked by questions about whether what they are doing is another cynical Papp-like ruse.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I reject your allegations categorically and forcefully, and the fact that you suggest that the Federal Court would base a reduction in my sentence on something transpiring via cyclingnews.com forum goes beyond ridiculous to the point of not meriting a response, beyond a reiteration of my rejection of your allegations.



I do confirm, though, that my Twitter account was compromised, and unknown other accounts may have been compromised. For all I know, this user Barrus may have been the one to hack my Twitter - a statement based about as much in fact as the suppositions littering the initial post.

Gosh Joe, I have to admit that I am in a bit of a quandary here. Do I believe your side of the story or do I believe Dan Benson and several of the past and current mods on this forum along with Race Radio and a number of other posters some of whom I converse with outside of this place, who all seem to be telling the same story. It's a tough one Joe because I want to believe you, like I did when I thought you really were anti-doping, you know, before everyone found out that you were still dealing, even while mouthing the anti drug message.

 

[Cavalier]

Such a quandry in my decision making process here. Do I believe the forum user with no reason to make any of this up?

Or do I believe the convicted drug user, the convicted dope dealer, who seeks fame at any other opportunity, with no actual athletic ability whatsoever that wasn't artificially generated?

Man, that's a very tough decision for me to make.

e: I should have read Hugh's post above.

 

[ChrisE]

Gosh Joe, I have to admit that I am in a bit of a quandary here. Do I believe your side of the story or do I believe Dan Benson and several of the past and current mods on this forum along with Race Radio and a number of other posters some of whom I converse with outside of this place, who all seem to be telling the same story. It's a tough one Joe because I want to believe you, like I did when I thought you really were anti-doping, you know, before everyone found out that you were still dealing, even while mouthing the anti drug message.

Maybe I should call him again on his fake GL fanboy BS he was feeding the forum when several cult members were fighting over who could bnose the reformed anti-doping crusader the most lol. That will get him back in good graces here pronto.

At least that thread resulted in him putting me on ignore. No special pm's from him lol. Maybe y'all shouldn't be so clannish based upon words in a forum.

 

[BroDeal]

Such a quandry in my decision making process here. Do I believe the forum user with no reason to make any of this up?

Or do I believe the convicted drug user, the convicted dope dealer, who seeks fame at any other opportunity, with no actual athletic ability whatsoever that wasn't artificially generated?

Man, that's a very tough decision for me to make.

Note that Papp is not denying that sold RR out. He is deflecting the issue by deriding the idea that he did it for help in getting a lighter sentence.

I wonder if Armstrong's investigators approached Papp, knowing that he had been accepted into the group and might have an opportunity to get information. That is the most likely scenario. But it could have been Papp who contacted Armstrong's people to see if they would pay him if he could get identities. With Papp it appears the slimier it is, the more likely it is, so the second scenario cannot be dismissed.

 

[ExRower]

CN Forums seriously needs a Papp smear.

No room here for two faced, self-absorbed, pack filler rats

 

[joe_papp]

Categorical Rejection and Denial of all Allegations

To ensure there is no ambiguity:

I categorically, without exception or qualification, unequivocally and in the strongest and most direct terms possible deny the allegations that I shared, traded, sold or otherwise gave ANY information to Lance Armstrong concerning the cyclingnews.com forum user posting under the pseudonym "Race Radio" or facilitated his alleged harassment by Lance Armstrong or anyone else.

Furthermore, I remind you that during the period in question I was, and still am, subject to the terms of a plea agreement in federal court with the USATT, the terms of which I may very well have been in violation of - at my own peril - had I engaged in any unseemly behavior.

ALL of the action I've taken in support of anti-doping and criminal investigations has been with the knowledge and consent of USADA, the USATT, and various law enforcement agencies including the DEA, FDA and FBI.

I challenge Race Radio or anyone else to produce evidence to the contrary, and I will absolutely investigate what recourse might be available to me under the relevant legal statutes with respect to the malicious libel splashed about this forum, throughout this thread. And should legal recourse be available to me, I absolutely will take whatever action I can afford to defend myself against the falsehoods and outright lies that are being disseminated here with the complicity of cyclingnews.com's staff, publisher, certain users of this forum, and any and all those who might be liable.

I'm also requesting from cyclingnews.com and its publisher Future Publishing the immediate deletion of this thread (http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18585 "Why I Quit,") which is filled with unsubstantiated, libelous allegations and outright lies that must surely constitute a violation of the website forums terms
of use, which prohibit personal attacks against other users, let alone the dissemination of potentially-libelous, harassing, obscene, defamatory falsehoods. The specific TOS violation would pertain to:

5. *MEMBER CONDUCT:* You agree that when using the Website or any other
Future Site or Server you will not:

- (a) Upload, post or otherwise transmit Content which violates the
rights (including, without limitation, the intellectual property rights) of
a third party or which is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive,
argumentative, flaming, hateful, offensive (whether in relation to sex,
race, religion or otherwise) *harassing, defamatory, vulgar,
obscene,*indecent,
*libellous*, invasive of another’s privacy or contains any illegal
content;

 

[sittingbison]

Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so

OK Joe,
it looks like you have noticed this thread, and responded, so perhaps you could answer the following. Do a Vaughters and engage in a discussion. Like Tyler said, the truth will set you free, a world will be lifted from your shoulders - so come clean. Look what it did for him, beautiful fiance, Side Show Bob haircut, feted on TV the world over (he was even on the govt owned current affairs show in Australia ).

1) Did you sell RRs personal information. If so, to who? Herman? Lance?
2) Have you been paid for or divulged other information garnered through CN forum that would not be the expectation? Such as email addresses?
3) Have you been paid to write on this forum ie set up a thread like "Peleton Responds". If so, by who? Herman? Lance??
4) Do you still live in mommys basement, and is it furnished as thehog described?

EDIT: feel free to answer Q4

 

[Hugh Januss]

He does sound a bit like Lance at this time, threatening lawsuits left and right.

 

[BroDeal]

I challenge Race Radio or anyone else to produce evidence to the contrary, and I will absolutely investigate what recourse might be available to me under the relevant legal statutes with respect to the malicious libel splashed about this forum, throughout this thread. And should legal recourse be available to me, I absolutely will take whatever action I can afford to defend myself against the falsehoods and outright lies that are being disseminated here with the complicity of cyclingnews.com's staff, publisher, certain users of this forum, and any and all those who might be liable.

You are a public figure. In the U.S. you will have to prove malice. As aptly described in above posts, a reasonable person would believe RR and the moderators over you with your history, so there is no reckless disregard for the truth, hence no malice. No one here has any reason to doubt RR's account of the events.

You would also have to prove damages. MarkW's 'bombing rubble' statement describes the situation there.