Why is Cyclingnews giving LeMond a platform?

[Benotti69]

Ferrari link or not, Lemond was a supporter of Armstrong until he looked like usurping his standing as greatest American cyclist.
Timing may well have played a part, but I doubt Lemond would have been quite so animated if Armstrong had been Spanish or Italian.

there is an article/interview in the NYT from 1998 ,that Dr Maserati posted in another thread, after the festina affair, which Lemond talks about his anti doping stance, 12 years ago. Lemond supported an American(LA) in his come back from cancer, why not? fellow american, done all the time. When he heard about Ferrari everything changed. Nothing to do with jealousy, that's the easy explanation for those not interested in the truth.

 

[andy1234]

there is an article/interview in the NYT from 1998 ,that Dr Maserati posted in another thread, after the festina affair, which Lemond talks about his anti doping stance, 12 years ago. Lemond supported an American(LA) in his come back from cancer, why not? fellow american, done all the time. When he heard about Ferrari everything changed. Nothing to do with jealousy, that's the easy explanation for those not interested in the truth.

I read the article. Its hardly scathing.
Im not necessarily saying that Lemonds standpoint is based on jealousy. Being intimidated, having your livelyhood taken away from you etc are probably higher motivations.

Either way, its not like he hasn't got plenty of reasons to bear a grudge.
Would he be so interested in doping otherwise?

 

[Anonymous]

I read the article. Its hardly scathing.
Im not necessarily saying that Lemonds standpoint is based on jealousy. Being intimidated, having your livelyhood taken away from you etc are probably higher motivations.

Either way, its not like he hasn't got plenty of reasons to bear a grudge.
Would he be so interested in doping otherwise?

Of course not. Why does that matter though? He cannot be removed from his experience any more than you can be removed from yours. He can also not change the fact that he won the Tour 3 times and is considered a great champion. Why is it that only Lemond's statements in regards to Armstrong are talked about as being "bitter." Have not Mr Armstrong's statements regarding Mr Lemond been as caustic? Even his "I don't give a crap about Greg" statements are done for specific effect. Saying you don't care is a sure sign you actually do.

No, it is funny that when it comes to things like this and his tiff with Contador, it is only the statements of those whom Mr Armstrong opposes that are talked about in regards to their venom. In reality, Mr Armstrong is as venomous in his words, and much more so in his actions.

In some ways, it is obvious that this is a p!ssing contest. So what? Are not most instances of confrontation invibed with emotional content to varying degree?

 

[Anonymous]

No, I wasnt referring to Lemonds palmares LOL
That is not in question.

"Pathetic" was in relation to the quoted posters childish comeback.

It is apparent to you that once you deviate from discussion by characterizing the post of another with and adjective such as "childish" you have decided to correspond on the same level as the person you chose to insult, right?

 

[Benotti69]

I read the article. Its hardly scathing.
Im not necessarily saying that Lemonds standpoint is based on jealousy. Being intimidated, having your livelyhood taken away from you etc are probably higher motivations.

Either way, its not like he hasn't got plenty of reasons to bear a grudge.
Would he be so interested in doping otherwise?

Why would LeMond be jealous, apart from what are obvious reasons, which are too easy an answer and really its a tabloid answer, was he not helping to build the sport in america, setting up his LeMond bikes, then why be upset when someone comes along and breaks your records. Has Indurain put down Contador? Did Anquetil put down Hinault i dont think so. But because it appears LeMond rode clean and we have no evidence to say different why not be upset about dopers, it defeats everything he struggled for in his wins, then a guy comes along and does it with dope. Of course you would be peeved, but i think betrayed as well,especially if you gave assistance during the first 2 wins.

his great love of the sport would make him interested in it being clean is the bottom line with LeMond.

 

[andy1234]

Of course not. Why does that matter though? He cannot be removed from his experience any more than you can be removed from yours. He can also not change the fact that he won the Tour 3 times and is considered a great champion. Why is it that only Lemond's statements in regards to Armstrong are talked about as being "bitter." Have not Mr Armstrong's statements regarding Mr Lemond been as caustic? Even his "I don't give a crap about Greg" statements are done for specific effect. Saying you don't care is a sure sign you actually do.

No, it is funny that when it comes to things like this and his tiff with Contador, it is only the statements of those whom Mr Armstrong opposes that are talked about in regards to their venom. In reality, Mr Armstrong is as venomous in his words, and much more so in his actions.

In some ways, it is obvious that this is a p!ssing contest. So what? Are not most instances of confrontation invibed with emotional content to varying degree?

Agreed, as I said earlier, whatever comes from Armstrong or Lemonds mouth with regards to doping (and each other) should be taken with a pinch of salt.

However... To be hailed as a crusader for clean cycling, when your real agenda is the downfall of a chief rival, is hardly virtuous.

 

[andy1234]

It is apparent to you that once you deviate from discussion by characterizing the post of another with and adjective such as "childish" you have decided to correspond on the same level as the person you chose to insult, right?

Right. However, I would also have responded to an intelligent comment respectfully.

 

[Anonymous]

Agreed, as I said earlier, whatever comes from Armstrong or Lemonds mouth with regards to doping (and each other) should be taken with a pinch of salt.

However... To be hailed as a crusader for clean cycling, when your real agenda is the downfall of a chief rival, is hardly virtuous.

Virtue's got nothing to do with anything in my experience. People who come floating at you on a cloud of virtue, spouting off what is and isn't right are people who are liars. Self interest always plays a part to a greater or lesser extent. In this case, I'd say most of the back and forth between Lemond and Armstrong is about a personal disagreement. However, that does not mean that Greg doesn't care about cycling clean.

 

[redtreviso]

I think long before Greg LeMond said anything untowardly about Lance, Lance made it known(to trek) there was not room for him and LeMond under the Trek banner. Trek had to choose which side of their own bed they would s* in.

 

[Anonymous]

Right. However, I would also have responded to an intelligent comment respectfully.

Yea, I play by those rules too...but lowering myself to another's level has never really bothered me all that much...

 

[Race Radio]

I read the article. Its hardly scathing.
Im not necessarily saying that Lemonds standpoint is based on jealousy. Being intimidated, having your livelyhood taken away from you etc are probably higher motivations.

Either way, its not like he hasn't got plenty of reasons to bear a grudge.
Would he be so interested in doping otherwise?

Why is it Armstrong's fans refuse to address any of the issues raised by Lemond and instead just focus on name calling?

 

[VeloCity]

Greg's got every right to say whatever he wants to say, CN's got every right to publish/not publish what Greg says, and you have every right to read it/not read it. Don't really see what the problem is.

 

[andy1234]

Why would LeMond be jealous, apart from what are obvious reasons, which are too easy an answer and really its a tabloid answer, was he not helping to build the sport in america, setting up his LeMond bikes, then why be upset when someone comes along and breaks your records. Has Indurain put down Contador? Did Anquetil put down Hinault i dont think so. But because it appears LeMond rode clean and we have no evidence to say different why not be upset about dopers, it defeats everything he struggled for in his wins, then a guy comes along and does it with dope. Of course you would be peeved, but i think betrayed as well,especially if you gave assistance during the first 2 wins.

his great love of the sport would make him interested in it being clean is the bottom line with LeMond.

The problem I have with this argument is that Lemond is portrayed as a noble and rightous individual, with his only concern being the sport he loves.
It would be great if that were true, but I doubt it. He has too much to gain from seeing Armstrong fall.

He is overplaying the "our generation were clean" card. Anyone who has been around cycling previous to the EPO era will testify to that. Just because the gains were not as great does not mean they were cheating any less.

Thats not to say Lemond doped, just that he raced through that era, later watched the likes of Indurain, Pantani and Riis, but appears to be unwilling to cast his net any further than Armstrong.

 

[andy1234]

Why is it Armstrong's fans refuse to address any of the issues raised by Lemond and instead just focus on name calling?

Show me a post where I claim to be an armstrong fan?

 

[scribe]

Show me a post where I claim to be an armstrong fan?

Guilty until proven innocent.

 

[straydog]

Why is it Armstrong's fans refuse to address any of the issues raised by Lemond and instead just focus on name calling?

I have addressed the issues Lemond has raised...it seems some don't want to hear them....hence the names directed at me and my "like"

The reasons CN have Lemond on the payroll are;

1. Headlines....This little ding **** ups their click rate...and hence their sponsorship revenue....all due to people like us endlessly discussing it

2. He is Cheap....Bike business and fitness programmes not going so well

I made point 2 up...just because it made me laugh

 

[straydog]

why can't i say d o n g ?

anti Armstrong conspiracy...next i won't be able to say balls

 

[Oldman]

why can't i say d o n g ?

anti Armstrong conspiracy...next i won't be able to say balls

you mean "ball".

 

[metaCYCLE]

there's no BALL in cycling.

 

[DirtyWorks]

For the record...

They look at the riders crotch??? ewwww.

The massage therapist will definitely work the muscles that make up 'the @$$' as they would the various parts of the thigh and lower leg. The saddle sores are generally around where the pointy part of the hip rests on the saddle, which coincidentally works out to being on your @$$. No crotch. So, a massage therapist would *definitely* see a saddle sore.

For those that haven't had the luxury of physio. Massages make a world of difference in recovery. They use a sheet and keep everything covered while only working on one part.

People with no clue about massage rub me the wrong way...

Thank you!! I'll be here all week!

 

[131313]

The problem I have with this argument is that Lemond is portrayed as a noble and rightous individual, with his only concern being the sport he loves.

who is portraying him that way? I certainly haven't seen it. He feels Armstrong screwed him over and he doesn't like him. He's certainly never made that a secret. I have no idea what his motives are, and I doubt he completely does, either. Except that people who don't like what he has to say immediately bust out "he's just jealous, he's just bitter, etc.". I'm sure there are elements of many things which factor into his speaking about against doping in general and Armstrong in particular.

He has too much to gain from seeing Armstrong fall.

like what?? I doubt his life will be much different after a year of "I told you so's". He's a whiny guy by nature. He'll have something else to whine about.

He is overplaying the "our generation were clean" card. Anyone who has been around cycling previous to the EPO era will testify to that. Just because the gains were not as great does not mean they were cheating any less.

That's simply not true. He's been critical of doping his entire career. One big difference though it that the '90s dope worked so well that you simply couldn't be competitive without it.

Thats not to say Lemond doped, just that he raced through that era, later watched the likes of Indurain, Pantani and Riis, but appears to be unwilling to cast his net any further than Armstrong.

He's spoken out about all of those guys, and yet anytime he says anything, people go on about how he should just shut up...

People just don't seem to like hearing the truth, and it's harder when it comes from someone like LeMond. He can't be written off like a Bassons or Mark Scanlon, where people will just say "oh, they're just mad because they never accomplished anything". Doesn't work with a guy with his palmares.

The real injustice here is that Cyclingnews will give column space to a guy who rambles on for paragraphs at a time, and then puts "so, anyways..." in print! WTF?? If people want to complain about LeMond, they should take it out on his writing style, as it's downright painful to read.

 

[straydog]

you mean "ball".

ha ha....exactly

 

[Race Radio]

I have addressed the issues Lemond has raised...it seems some don't want to hear them....hence the names directed at me and my "like"

Where? Was it this username or one of your dozens of other usernames?

 

[straydog]

Where? Was it this username or one of your dozens of other usernames?

cripes...here we go again....conspiracy....do you really think there is just one of us who disagrees with you?


ok....in between covering up the JFK assassination and causing the BP oil spill....I found the time to post a thread entitled "Why I am proud to be a fanboy..."

Please feel free to read it and bang your angry, paranoid little head against a wall with indignation and moral outrage if you wish....

night

 

[scribe]

I have addressed the issues Lemond has raised...it seems some don't want to hear them....hence the names directed at me and my "like"

The reasons CN have Lemond on the payroll are;

1. Headlines....This little ding **** ups their click rate...and hence their sponsorship revenue....all due to people like us endlessly discussing it

2. He is Cheap....Bike business and fitness programmes not going so well

I made point 2 up...just because it made me laugh

#2: business has been bad since big Tex set up shop across the street some 10 years ago.