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Jagers said:Sorry if this was already posted: Lance's good works matter above all else, even steroids.
Cobblestoned said:You mean that EPO doper and Ferraricustomer without talent who wanted to save his own skin and attacked Lance and his environment FIRST ?
As I said it many times. Know the whole story and history. Most times Lance just defended, which resulted in attacks.
Cobblestones said:Yes, that's what I mean, the whole 'witness intimidation in a whistleblower case' thingie. Surely a history buff would remember.
Dr. Maserati said:Well Mark - you appear to be the only one struggling with what I meant, here is my opening post:
To answer your question:
Justice - he should bare the consequences of his actions.
For doping, he should be sanctioned and results taken away, as happens with other riders.
If proven to have purchased, trafficked and distributed PEDs I am happy to let the FDA pursue that.
To all those he bullied he should apologies - because they were right and he was wrong.
He should allow the LAF accounts to be fully opened to the public and explain the $4 million advertising & $2 million travel that makes up part of the 'programmes'.
MarkvW said:Enough of the lance-obsession! If he does go down, you can throw the most spectacular party that the world has ever seen! Until then, deny the man what he craves most--attention!
NashbarShorts said:.....in order to do that, he'd have to be a real SOCIOPATH".
I just smiled. "Well Dad, some people think he is."
Jagers said:Sorry if this was already posted: Lance's good works matter above all else, even steroids.
andy1234 said:That is is one "journalist" who isnt sitting on the fence.
I think plenty of the general public will buy into this.
Polish said:The acorn does not fall far from the tree lol.
+1
Nice to read an article by a PRO journalist that is worth more than ALL the chairs found in a crowded hotel press conference...
andy1234 said:But Joe Public will be nodding their heads in agreement as we speak.
MarkvW said:That's a mighty big wish list. Two of your four items would appear to involve a transformational change of Lance's personality. I doubt we'll ever see a truly contrite and open Lance. Another is vague; it doesn't really count as "going down". The only thing left is sanctions from the UCI.
Lance will soon be gone from cycling. His results are fast becoming trivial history. YOU obviously don't think too much of the UCI, so why does any sanction from them matter? Any sanction would be toothless anyway.
Enough of the lance-obsession! If he does go down, you can throw the most spectacular party that the world has ever seen! Until then, deny the man what he craves most--attention!
fatandfast said:some of the answers to the thread have been that Lance has white trash association, that he has thin lips, he has sole/soul control on the press and the general public and he is commanding their minds to think positive thoughts about him,his eyes are close together, he is secretly in control of the UCI, and that there is an army of men of a certain age and color that rally around all things Lance.. all of them are super awesome answers to why Lance should go down. His cancer surgery and tour wins were done with special effects on a sound stage in Holly Wood and all done so that he could get a foundation going because he loves air travel and just couldn't figure out a way to pay for it. Oh yea and he took secret dope in mobile hospitals while driving in the alps and he got the stuff from a company that kept it on the market just long enough for him to get enough for 8 years..plus the 2 years off and then 2 years back on the bike. He is only really going to retire this time because his HemmaHelper supply has run dry. He is probably going to go to a warm climate or do jumping jacks and the other ball will drop and we will have all been fooled..man this guy is smart for a Texas dropout raised by a single mom
fatandfast said:some of the answers to the thread have been that Lance has white trash association, that he has thin lips, he has sole/soul control on the press and the general public and he is commanding their minds to think positive thoughts about him,his eyes are close together, he is secretly in control of the UCI, and that there is an army of men of a certain age and color that rally around all things Lance.. all of them are super awesome answers to why Lance should go down. His cancer surgery and tour wins were done with special effects on a sound stage in Holly Wood and all done so that he could get a foundation going because he loves air travel and just couldn't figure out a way to pay for it. Oh yea and he took secret dope in mobile hospitals while driving in the alps and he got the stuff from a company that kept it on the market just long enough for him to get enough for 8 years..plus the 2 years off and then 2 years back on the bike. He is only really going to retire this time because his HemmaHelper supply has run dry. He is probably going to go to a warm climate or do jumping jacks and the other ball will drop and we will have all been fooled..man this guy is smart for a Texas dropout raised by a single mom
BikeCentric said:Except that they're not. As you can see if you'd read the comments to the article.
But instead you're apparently happy to make stuff up. I hope your self-affirming narrative makes you happy, too too bad that it's at odds with reality.
Glenn_Wilson said:I have not seen anyone call Lance Whisky Tango and am not sure it would matter.
It is very simple for me. The difference between him and the rest of the contenders is that he enjoyed the benefit of "He would never dope. He had cancer and PED's could kill him". That is what makes it different for me. The entire above it all attitude towards PED’s.
I also have the opinion that a majority of the "haters" are just ****ed that Lance Armstrong the jerk had the sneaky stuff that no one else in the contenders group could get for 7 straight years. Do not kid yourself.....if Lance had won the tour only 3 or 4 times and then lost he would be treated a bit different on cycling sites.
Benotti69 said:i dont think the clinic would treat him with any less condemnation. You just have to read the Contador threads to see that. He has won 3 and now caught for Clen and he is not getting off lightly in here for it either.
what Armstrong gets hammered on big time and so would anyone who behaves like him, is the bullying, the lying, the sociopathic attitude to all and sundry who dare to not see him as the greatest living cyclist ever. that's what gets up most people's noses i imagine.
Glenn_Wilson said:I understand your point and----- your example of Contador is also on point.
I just think the amount of hate would be less if he had won the tour less times.
Your points bolded above are the largest reasons he is disliked more,,,,,, I do agree with that.
Sanitiser said:When you see advertisements like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph6Gd2Cg4gc the wider public needs to realize that not only has Lance exploited cycling but cancer sufferers and their families as well to make himself and Nike a buck.
That makes him worse than any other doper.
Sanitiser said:Apart from the fact that both situations are different. Contador so far has blamed the test results on beef and has appeared on Spanish TV getting misty eyed. Both PR stunts.
Sanitiser said:When you see advertisements like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph6Gd2Cg4gc the wider public needs to realize that not only has Lance exploited cycling but cancer sufferers and their families as well to make himself and Nike a buck.
That makes him worse than any other doper.