Why Lance will dodge this bullet.

[danjo007]

its called tall poppy syndrome. all those out there that are convinced everything he's done for the sport and cancer research should be ripped apart are just - worthless sad jealous little inferior unimportant people with a chip on their shoulder somehow thinking that their narrow opinion on the subject should change the world in their mind better !
wtf get a clue and follow some other sport and cry into your pillows there.

i dont care if he's doped and personally, i think he has done it.
but his positives far outweigh that negative considering most of the peleton was doing it too!

 

[RhodriM]

You're up late.

 

[euanli]

Whats worse? Deceiving thousands for personal gain or Deceiving millions for substantially more gain?

 

[BikeCentric]

Sigmund Freud said we all try to find a partner like our mother.

Hi BPC, you would know this better than most of course since you live in your Mom's basement.

FYI all, this poster is BPC, our notorious forum troll. Update your ignore lists for the 50th time...

 

[B.Rasmussen]

Hi BPC, you would know this better than most of course since you live in your Mom's basement.

FYI all, this poster is BPC, our notorious forum troll. Update your ignore lists for the 50th time...

Way ahead of you. (yes it's him as usual)

 

[Tubeless]

Yep, I thought you needed to believe the charity was all a front and con. It's easier for your mind to believe that - your head would explode otherwise. You are not alone. For the record, Armstrong does not take a dim of donations to livestrong.

Needless to say, doping did not "take care" of winning 7 TdF's in a row - all of his main rivals were doped as well. It was part of the sport.

Don't know how much you know about doping but perhaps you can believe that little money pays for little doping and lots of money pays for lots of doping? Or that a good doping program is very expensive. And covering it up even more so. It's not a level playing field. Who's got the best Dr? Who can fly in the blood bags in a private plane? Who has the money to pay off a UCI official in case of a doping accident?

Armstrong is a clever businessman. He has milked his story for all its worth. And used the money to make more money. And is still doing it.

 

[autologous]

Yep, I thought you needed to believe the charity was all a front and con. It's easier for your mind to believe that - your head would explode otherwise. You are not alone. For the record, Armstrong does not take a dim of donations to livestrong.

do you mean livestrong.org or livestrong.com?
do you know the difference?

you think the average joe might be confused about the difference?
do you think that is an accident?

 

[MarkGreen0]

do you mean livestrong.org or livestrong.com?
do you know the difference?

you think the average joe might be confused about the difference?
do you think that is an accident?

I mean both of them. There is no Livestrong.com brand. It's a myth put about by people who need to believe there is a fraud to make the world seem a bit easier to understand.

 

[autologous]

no livestrong.com brand? liar
from the livestrong.com Web site :

Q: What is the difference between LIVESTRONG.COM and LIVESTRONG.ORG?

A: LIVESTRONG.COM is the definitive health, fitness and lifestyle destination. LIVESTRONG.ORG is the website of the Lance Armstrong Foundation, a non-profit organization focused on supporting cancer survivors and fighting cancer.

Q: How is Lance involved with the site?

A: Lance Armstrong is a strategic advisor and ongoing content contributor. Lance works exclusively with Demand Media to build and promote LIVESTRONG.COM. He is also a daily source of inspiration to its members.

LAnce has a pretty large stake in demand media
LA Times at livestrong.com launch:

The seven-time Tour de France winner and cancer survivor is teaming with Santa Monica-based Demand Media on a for-profit website that helps users stay on track with fitness and weight-loss goals.

liar

 

[MarkGreen0]

There is no Livestrong.com brand. I'm afraid you've been lied to.

 

[La Vie Claire]

I think it's the other way around. In America investigators have to validate their existence by going on long witch hunts against rich and famous people. This means they end up getting into areas they really have no business getting into, and they always have to indite someone to prove it was money well spent. It's a terrible system.

IndICT as in indictment not the same indite. If you keep your head in the sand for too long, well, it affects your head.

 

[MarkGreen0]

The seven-time Tour de France winner and cancer survivor is teaming with Santa Monica-based Demand Media on a for-profit website that helps users stay on track with fitness and weight-loss goals.

Just to clarify for you. Armstrong has a small stake in demand media that run the website and make money from the advertising. But there is no Livestrong.com brand that he makes money from. He may get paid to endorse products by other companies, as celebs often do, but he doesn't receive proceeds from Livestrong gear. It's a perfectly normal arrangment.

LAF does a lot of good work to help cancer survivors so I'm sure you are just as keen as I am that the truth not be distorted to further some seperate agenda.

 

[buckwheat]

found one! Did LA bag her??? She sort of resembles LA's women/mom...lol what a yummy top on her!

what modulus is the carbon fiber up top?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

In America investigators have to validate their existence by going on long witch hunts against rich and famous people. This means they end up getting into areas they really have no business getting into, and they always have to indite someone to prove it was money well spent. It's a terrible system.

Sort of like Bernie Madoff?

Enron?

WorldCom?

 

[Tubeless]

There is no Livestrong.com brand. I'm afraid you've been lied to.

What exactly do you mean by this? Read the definitions here

http://www.livestrong.com/aboutus/

"Livestrong" is a registered trademark of LAF that the foundation is using serious money defending. In 2008, LAF spent nearly $5 million in legal expenses - among other things on topics such as this:

http://dailydoseofip.blogspot.com/2007/09/lance-armstrong-foundation-alleges.html

And then LA uses the identical Livestrong trademark for a for-profit business venture of his own? The foundation pays for the filing and defending of the trademarks, and LA is then free to use them for his own business purposes? Classy.

EDIT: To put the $5 million in perspective, that same year the foundation spent $8.7 million on its stated objective - "Grants and awards" for cancer research.

 

[MarkGreen0]

What exactly do you mean by this? Read the definitions here

http://www.livestrong.com/aboutus/

"Livestrong" is a registered trademark of LAF that the foundation is using serious money defending. In 2008, LAF spent nearly $5 million in legal expenses - among other things on topics such as this:

http://dailydoseofip.blogspot.com/2007/09/lance-armstrong-foundation-alleges.html

And then LA uses the identical Livestrong trademark for a for-profit business venture of his own? The foundation pays for the filing and defending of the trademarks, and LA is then free to use them for his own business purposes? Classy.

A charity defends it's own trade mark so the proceeds can all go to the charity instead of some other place? What's the problem with that? I'm sorry but you've bought into a lot of propaganda on this matter.

 

[blackcat]

Just to clarify for you. Armstrong has a small stake in demand media that run the website and make money from the advertising. But there is no Livestrong.com brand that he makes money from. He may get paid to endorse products by other companies, as celebs often do, but he doesn't receive proceeds from Livestrong gear. It's a perfectly normal arrangment.

LAF does a lot of good work to help cancer survivors so I'm sure you are just as keen as I am that the truth not be distorted to further some seperate agenda.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q="10/2"+"lance+armstrong"&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

actually, Armstrong holds numerous stakes, or profit centres associated with the Livestrong marque.

In 2005, they brought out a line at Nike, 10/2 which donated $1 from each unit sold, because it was all badged by a yellow swatch mimicking the wristband. The actual market value of the yellow swatch would have exceeded $1. The was Armstrong Inc, attemption his Jordan/Tiger line. It failed.

Then Nike brought out a Livestrong line, which they said they donated ALL profits to Livestrong. Now, I assume ALL profits were after Armstrong's endorsement profits. So this was a way to defray the cost of Armstrong's sponsorship from Nike.

Armstrong gets 150k speaking fee per. He has refused cancer conventions in The Netherlands because they did not have the means to pay the fee. His entire brand and speaking fee is based on cancer, this is his niche, and the charity promotes and buttresses this brand of Armstrong. But Armstrong gets his 150k in whole.

Armstrong parlayed the brand into Demand Media. Richard Rosenblatt intended to flip this pretty quickly in an IPO he hoped to get over 1 billion. Armstrong's stake was material.

Who owned the Livestrong TM. Did Armstrong, or the charity. Because Armstrong has acted like he owned the copyright to the brand.

 

[MarkGreen0]

User kurtinsc explains more:

But they (LAF) aren't owned by Lance in any way, and Lance in no way can get the money donated to the LAF or raised by the LAF. While he spearheaded the creation of the LAF, the LAF is not in any way dependent upon him any longer for their existenc (just like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is no longer dependent upon the Gates' for their existance... perhaps you like that comparison more.)

My whole point is that while Lance does profit from his association with the LAF... none of it in any way takes ANYTHING from the charity... or directly from anyone donating to the charity. I'd argue the charity profits 10 times as much from the relationship as Lance does. I don't see a lot his endorsements not being there if he were "just" a 7-time tour winner who recovered from cancer who didn't have a charity. I still think Trek, Nike, Michelob and all his other sponsors would be paying him as much... and the people at livestrong.com would be going to armstrong.com instead. If anything, he'd have gotten a bigger chunk from Demand out of the bargain.

If someone goes to livestrong.com... I don't see ANYWHERE they can actually spend money on anything. Yes, Demand makes money from the advertisements... but it's not like you're getting tricked into opening your wallet thinking that it's going to charity. And the LAF owns a "significant" portion of DemandMedia as well (according to the press release)... so they DO get funds from you visiting the .com site.

 

[Tubeless]

Just to clarify for you. Armstrong has a small stake in demand media that run the website and make money from the advertising. But there is no Livestrong.com brand that he makes money from. He may get paid to endorse products by other companies, as celebs often do, but he doesn't receive proceeds from Livestrong gear. It's a perfectly normal arrangment.

LAF does a lot of good work to help cancer survivors so I'm sure you are just as keen as I am that the truth not be distorted to further some seperate agenda.

Since you seem to be "in the know", do you happen to be aware of the $$ figure or percentage of the revenue Armstrong makes off the Livestrong.com web site? Since the Livestrong trademark is a property of LAF, shouldn't the foundation be compensated for the use of this trademark via a reasonable license agreement?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Meanwhile, if Lance says he's riding the Tour of Luxemborg next week, and the Dauphine in order to prepare for the Tour, when is he going to find the time to meet with federal investigators who'd like him to come back to the US to answer some questions?

 

[MarkGreen0]

Blackcat, so you know for a fact because did not travel around the world for a speech at one convention, this means it's all a con? You really have no idea of the process of this.

Nike pays Lance a set endorsement fee. It's not related to the livestrong brand or the LAF. He had an endorsement contract with Nike prior to Nike doing anything with the LAF.

He doesn't make a percentage of sales, like the LAF used to. His involvement is totally unrelated to the licensing of Livestrong apparel. If Lance's contract ended tomorrow, Nike would continue paying the LAF. They would not be required to renew with Lance.

 

[MarkGreen0]

Since you seem to be "in the know", do you happen to be aware of the $$ figure or percentage of the revenue Armstrong makes off the Livestrong.com web site? Since the Livestrong trademark is a property of LAF, shouldn't the foundation be compensated for the use of this trademark via a reasonable license agreement?

He has a stake in demand media along with LAF from the adverts, and given he helps promote LAF that is more than fair. He makes no money at all from LAF sold gear.

 

[buckwheat]

1 bonds was clean in the early stages of his career, same as clemens. A baseball players productive years tend to tail off in a very pronounced manner. Bonds and clemens both had a period of lack of production followed by a resurgence that lasted for years. Go look at pics, the changes in his body from the roids are grotesque. his 'mistress' gave interviews about how disgusted he was about what the drugs had done to his....well ....let's just be discreet and say 'Barry's berries'. And he struggled to hit the long ball in the boudoir. (If that doesn't make you stop, nothing will.)

2 Bonds holds the record for greatest number of home runs ever. And he can't get a job. The biggest difference I see is that Bonds was pretty nasty to everyone, especially members of the media. People just loooove to hate Barry. Lance cultivated relationships with some and attacked those who stood against him. I see the two as quite different. I see the mich ultr commercial at least 1X/ daily. When I see an edit of that spot w/out Lance, I will come here and report it.

Actually Bonds didn't have a fall off..

He started juicing after McGwire's 70 HR year in '98. Actually Bonds had a great year in '98 which was completely overshadowed by the HR race.

 

[buckwheat]

Meanwhile, if Lance says he's riding the Tour of Luxemborg next week, and the Dauphine in order to prepare for the Tour, when is he going to find the time to meet with federal investigators who'd like him to come back to the US to answer some questions?

I hear he's moving in with Polanski in Switzerland.

 

[MarkGreen0]

Meanwhile, if Lance says he's riding the Tour of Luxemborg next week, and the Dauphine in order to prepare for the Tour, when is he going to find the time to meet with federal investigators who'd like him to come back to the US to answer some questions?

thehog says he will be asked to come back next week. If that is true I wonder if they will arrange a date or they will be heavy handed and say he must stay in the US. If that is the case he will obviously retire.

If his form is still crap then it's a let off for the tour - that third place last year will seem pretty good compared to being somewhere way down.

Then I guess this thing will go into the long grass and last for a couple of years before deciding whether to bring charges.