Why Tenerife?

[Digger]

Microdosing...altitude...passport...cortisone

Close the thread please.

Oh and once they were tested in eight camps there...as of may 2013.

 

[del1962]

You mean over 40 miles of ocean between them,

 

[sniper]

Rogers is mentioned in a sworn affidavit given to USADA by American cyclist Levi Leipheimer as somebody who attended two training camps in 2005 in Tenerife run by Dr Michele Ferrari.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ce-Armstrong-fallout-grows.html#ixzz2vn5670N1

 

[Digger]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...ce-Armstrong-fallout-grows.html#ixzz2vn5670N1

but brailsford didn't know he was doping

must have forgotten about the day he was watching rogers on tv, before sky, and referred to him as a doper.

 

[pmcg76]

If riders and teams are travelling to Tenerife specifically to dope, does that mean that those who do not go there are not doping. If that is not the case, why is it even noteworthy that people go to Tenerife if they can just dope as well anywhere else in the world?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If riders and teams are travelling to Tenerife specifically to dope, does that mean that those who do not go there are not doping.

If I go to my office building specifically to work, does that mean people who do not go to my office building are not going to work?

In a word: no.

If that is not the case, why is it even noteworthy that people go to Tenerife if they can just dope as well anywhere else in the world?

If, after me having posted about Fuentes and his doping ring and the use of clenbuterol in said ring, on Tenerife, and seeing Bradley Wiggins crap on, endlessly, about Teide on Tenerife being his secret reason for a most ridiculous 2012 season, where he lost ridiculous amounts of weight while maintaining his absolute TT power and peaking for 6 months straight, then there is nothing more that could be said. Clearly, your question must be rhetorical.

 

[sniper]

but brailsford didn't know he was doping

nor could brailsford possibly have known that tenerife was/is a doping haven.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

nor could brailsford possibly have known that tenerife was/is a doping haven.

Despite most cycling outlets in 2010 having a story about it. It's even more obvious than Leindeers, if not as directly incriminating.

 

[del1962]

Tenerife is a place where athletes go to train.

Why? Because it has altitude which many think is good for training, and warm weather all year

Now amongst athletes a subset are dopers, so if say 5% dope, and 1000 go there, and only 100 go to somewhere else, those who deal in dope will go to where more athletes are as they are more likely to find clients, not exactly rocket science

 

[Digger]

Tenerife is a place where athletes go to train.

Why? Because it has altitude which many think is good for training, and warm weather all year

Now amongst athletes a subset are dopers, so if say 5% dope, and 1000 go there, and only 100 go to somewhere else, those who deal in dope will go to where more athletes are as they are more likely to find clients, not exactly rocket science

Altitude is used to train. Because of the passport. Provides the perfect cover for blood values.

 

[TailWindHome]

Clean cyclists wouldn't benefit from riding up hills in nice weather then?

 

[Parker]

Hot damn. I must have missed that somewhere somehow wtf - Fuentes was [edit] / is living on the island next to the one containing Mt Teide - Team Sky's favourite volcano!?

You do realise that Fuentes was born and brought up on Gran Canaria, don't you? It's where his family are.
When he was running his doping operation, it was in Madrid though.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You do realise that Fuentes was born and brought up on Gran Canaria, don't you? It's where his family are.
When he was running his doping operation, it was in Madrid though.

Kinda makes a mockery of the "doping doctors go where the athletes are" line then, innit?

Unless Dr Fuentes' dad or mum were doping people too?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What do people feel are the reasons for sky training in tenerife, there are few roads, one mountain, it must get pretty boring, no?

Why not going with the obvious?
So here is my wild guess:
Because it´s 20+ grad trou-out the year. And there are no more than max 7 rain days in a month...

 

[Parker]

Kinda makes a mockery of the "doping doctors go where the athletes are" line then, innit?

Yeah, probably. The primary reason the likes of Ferrari went there was because it's a great place to train. Still is.

(And the Canary Islands aren't some pokey archipelego - 2 million people live there).

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yeah, probably. The primary reason the likes of Ferrari went there was because it's a great place to train. Still is.

Having a ready supply of unregulated clenbuterol would no doubt help also. In fact. I'd train there full time vs race if that was the case - less likely to be OOC tested, more time for adaptations to occur.

Win win.

 

[Parker]

Having a ready supply of unregulated clenbuterol would no doubt help also. In fact. I'd train there full time vs race if that was the case - less likely to be OOC tested, more time for adaptations to occur.

Win win.

Is there an unregulated supply? Or is there the same basic drug trade you would get in any conurbation with 2 million people.

And why is OOC less likely? It's a major tourist destination - easily accessible from many, many European cities.

I'm guessing you have never been there and think it's some sort of sleepy fishing community accessed only by light aircraft.

 

[oldcrank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggx_YrAmchI
Very nice roads, and excellent weather.

 

[thehog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggx_YrAmchI
Very nice roads, and excellent weather.

With that soundtrack looks like they're on the disco biscuits.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

And why is OOC less likely? It's a major tourist destination - easily accessible from many, many European cities.

No idea. I saw somewhere how many times there had been OOC tests, and it seemed very low. Looked for the original article but could not find it.

As for you getting personal, meh, get over it.

 

[Catwhoorg]

No idea. I saw somewhere how many times there had been OOC tests, and it seemed very low. Looked for the original article but could not find it.

As for you getting personal, meh, get over it.

It was in Walsh's book.

And Yes I thought it was low as well.
I have posted it previously, but I'd need to dig the book out to post exactly.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It was in Walsh's book.

And Yes I thought it was low as well.
I have posted it previously, but I'd need to dig the book out to post exactly.

Thank you. I have been very slack in recent times in saving links or articles with info I read.

I'll see if I can find the info.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Low as relative to other countries/places? Do we have any stats for this?

 

[Stingray34]

The lack of OCC in Tenerife is to do with cost and sample transport integrity issues. Not sure where that was first stated. Might have been mentioned in Hamilton's 'The Secret Race.'

Meanwhile, where can I get me some disco biscuits? My local ladies auxillary bake sale never have the good stuff.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Not sure what to search for in Walsh's book. :-/