Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Doubly curious that your excursions here are always resulting in a defence of the peloton then.

They do? Can't say I've noticed but sounds like you are keeping a count. Most of my posts are usually about the nature of the evidence, data or cycling performance matters.

What would you suggest, that I just claim what I don't know to be true, to be true?

As for my view of the peloton, well the dopeology link says it all. For heaven's sake, a novice could throw a dart at that dart board and be right in a claim of doping far more often than not.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Valid points. What is evidence for you? A positive test or an insane achievement? Then, what is insane.

I've seen some insane stuff in the past, and seeing insane stuff going on right now.

Evidence that would be sufficient for an ADA to deem a rider to be doping and impose a sanction, of which positive dope controls are but one but not the sole nor necessary form of evidence. Testimony, investigative evidence, confessions, evidence of doping product in possession, avoidance of doping control, tampering, evidence from other legit investigations, evidence of supply or administration of doping etc that an ADA would use in a case against an athlete. Doping is proof of doping.

There are clearly things that raise greater level of suspicion, e.g. type and frequency of associations with well known doping supply/support chain, or substance import documentation or financial transactions, and such things presumably would be part of investigative evidence.


As for performances, well let's face it, all pro performance is insane, so they are all by necessity under suspicion in any case, whether or not they are doping. How does one determine what is sane and what's not?

I just don't see how the loose estimation about performances bandied about here is sufficient. But let's say it was, what is considered legit in performance terms, and what is not?

There simply isn't a clearly defined sans-doping performance plausibility line. It is, like it or not, it's a fat murky grey range, like a probability cloud.

 

[thehog]

While it was expected that he would return for the Tour de France, he has not been listed for the upcoming Critérium du Dauphiné, which begins this weekend. The news that he may miss the Tour de France was revealed yesterday by the Daily Mail. Today, Team Sky principal Dave Brailsford has confirmed that there are questions about his Tour participation.

“With these setbacks I can confirm that Brad cannot currently train properly and we are monitoring this situation carefully,” he told the Guardian.

The paper also states that the knee issue may be due to too much play in his pedal.

Lost it to Bostik.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ur-de-France-participation.aspx#ixzz2UsCPvApZ

Too much play in his pedal?

 

[blackcat]

brad will be on the p!ss/drink/amber ale

 

[JimmyFingers]

brad will be on the p!ss/drink/amber ale

This. He always follows a good year with a bad one, gets back on the sauce. Not a born winner really

 

[The Hitch]

He followed his Beijing olympic year by becoming a gt rider out of nowhere.

 

[JimmyFingers]

he wasn't much cop on the road in 2008 though.

But what you saying, he's off the juice this year, that's why he's bad? Or is it because he's a bit mental?

 

[the sceptic]

If he was off the juice he would be back in the gruppetto with Cav where he belongs

 

[Netserk]

He also had (at that time) his best year on the road in '11.

 

[JimmyFingers]

If he was off the juice he would be back in the gruppetto with Cav where he belongs

So what are we discussing here? That's he's a whinger?

 

[blackcat]

If he was off the juice he would be back in the gruppetto with Cav where he belongs

if cav was off the juice he would never finish a pro race even the shelde prijs

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So what are we discussing here? That's he's a whinger?

No, he and Brailsford are posers. There is nothing wrong with Twiggo this year, he was good in Catalunya, very good in Trentino, chickened out in the Giro and will be back for the Tour. Sunshine Brad will rock poor Chris's world in the warmth of French july.

Lets see Sky's tactics when Twiggo puts everyone on 1 and a half minutes in the TT.

Mark my words.

 

[The Hitch]

he wasn't much cop on the road in 2008 though.

But what you saying, he's off the juice this year, that's why he's bad? Or is it because he's a bit mental?

No, you said wiggins good years are always followed by bad years. I pointed out that one of his best years 2008 was followed by an even more amazing year -2009.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I hope so, but another part of me says that his heart just isn't in it, that's he smashed in 2013 and that's sated the hunger and this year he just can't be bothered. He still enjoys saying $hit to the press, but at the sharp end, when the racing gets hard, he doesn't have the cajones to race with him.

It's his character that is lacking this year. I'm not sure he had much of it last year but I just wish he'd man up and flipping race like he can. Instead he's got a case of the Schlecks.

Froome on the other hand has the hunger, you can see it gleaming from behind the eyes, a maniacal desire to win, that or eat children, I can't be sure

 

[JimmyFingers]

No, you said wiggins good years are always followed by bad years. I pointed out that one of his best years 2008 was followed by an even more amazing year -2009.

I was referencing his post-Beijing 'depression' when he got on the sauce because he wasn't sure what to do with himself, then got it together and started focusing on the road. Or something. I haven't read any if his books but this is what I understand happened, think he banged on about it in an interview a while ago.

I just that same complacency in him now really, and I find it very disappointing.

 

[thehog]

I was referencing his post-Beijing 'depression' when he got on the sauce because he wasn't sure what to do with himself, then got it together and started focusing on the road. Or something. I haven't read any if his books but this is what I understand happened, think he banged on about it in an interview a while ago.

I just that same complacency in him now really, and I find it very disappointing.

Good to know your musings are so well researched

More disappointing is your lack of thought. Appears you just spew things out.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Yes. It's the alcohol talking. Need to trade it in for the Hoggo™ All Seeing Eye

 

[JimmyFingers]

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8744262,00.html

Confirmed by Sky, no Wiggins circus at the Tour

 

[The Hitch]

He still enjoys saying $hit to the press,

Nice sleight of hand attempt there but I think wiggos behaviour over the last year puts to bed the idea that he is some grandmaster at pschychological games who carefully plans everything he says for a purpose.

He has succeeded to wind himself up far more than anyone else, and his bizzar mind change from saying he was gonna let froome lead the tour to saying he was gonna go for it himself, only resulted in Bailsford coming out and saying froome was the leader, and wiggins coming out looking like a muppet.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Nice sleight of hand attempt there but I think wiggos behaviour over the last year puts to bed the idea that he is some grandmaster at pschychological games who carefully plans everything he says for a purpose.

He has succeeded to wind himself up far more than anyone else, and his bizzar mind change from saying he was gonna let froome lead the tour to saying he was gonna go for it himself, only resulted in Bailsford coming out and saying froome was the leader, and wiggins coming out looking like a muppet.

You're putting words into my mouth, I wasn't suggesting that at all.

It's his character that is lacking this year. I'm not sure he had much of it last year but I just wish he'd man up and flipping race like he can. Instead he's got a case of the Schlecks.

Not trying to cover up for him....

 

[thehog]

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8744262,00.html

Confirmed by Sky, no Wiggins circus at the Tour

“However, further medical investigations on the knee injury that we were managing at the Giro showed the condition was more significant than we thought.

Giro/Tour double with a dodgy knee?

Managing?

 

[Ney the Viking]

So... Froomdawg (or maybe that wife of his ) threatened to tell-all if he did not get to be Tour leader? And suddenly, knee injury due to pedal play ..

Ah Tour Time... Conspiracies and laughter.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_8744262,00.html

Confirmed by Sky, no Wiggins circus at the Tour

The dreaded GW501516-induced knee injury...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I hope so, but another part of me says that his heart just isn't in it, that's he smashed in 2013 and that's sated the hunger and this year he just can't be bothered. He still enjoys saying $hit to the press, but at the sharp end, when the racing gets hard, he doesn't have the cajones to race with him.

It's his character that is lacking this year. I'm not sure he had much of it last year but I just wish he'd man up and flipping race like he can. Instead he's got a case of the Schlecks.

Froome on the other hand has the hunger, you can see it gleaming from behind the eyes, a maniacal desire to win, that or eat children, I can't be sure

Sh*t, I agree with that completely.

 

[JimmyFingers]

And hell has actually frozen over....