Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Ferminal]

lol, Wiggins 2009 probably wins the 2008 Tour, 2012 version definitely does.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

where do you keep getting 4 minutes from when the final gap was less than 1.30

1.13 to be exact

Ooops! The 4 minute gap was Schleck to Contador...

I think my points still stand though. Lance went from putting ~6 minutes into his main rivals to losing time to Andy Schleck. And the extra power required to offset this loss of relative performance on the limited places where time could be gained (ITT and MTFs) is very significant. Therefore 2005 Lance was a superior performer to 2009 Lance.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

But do go on telling everyone how he could have gone *a lot* faster

It is widely accepted that both Berto and Andy were taking it relatively easy on the Ventoux to aid the podium ambitions of Lance and Frank, so Berto could most likely have gone significantly faster here.

There was also the stage 17 where Berto said he was happy to just ride with the Schlecks as this was enough to finish off Lance's and Wiggo's challenges. I think he could have dished a bit out that day if he'd wanted to but didn't need to as he was already ahead of the Schlecks on GC with a long ITT to come.

In the context of how GTs are raced, a minute faster on just two long climbs would represent being significantly faster.

All guesswork of course...

 

[Catwhoorg]

To the balded part: How well do you think Froomes Barloworld past, or SKY's Gert Leinders link serve him?

Barloworld I think like many teams of that era was really two teams, one dirty for sure with team approval, the other not so much.

Augustyn, Thomas, Impey, Robbie Hunter - names not usually associated with doping, but obviously all rode for the team in 2008-2009 timeframe, the same time as Froome.

Hiring Leinders was a stupid stupid move, that will haunt Sky for a long time.

 

[roundabout]

It is widely accepted that both Berto and Andy were taking it relatively easy on the Ventoux to aid the podium ambitions of Lance and Frank, so Berto could most likely have gone significantly faster here.

There was also the stage 17 where Berto said he was happy to just ride with the Schlecks as this was enough to finish off Lance's and Wiggo's challenges. I think he could have dished a bit out that day if he'd wanted to but didn't need to as he was already ahead of the Schlecks on GC with a long ITT to come.

In the context of how GTs are raced, a minute faster on just two long climbs would represent being significantly faster.

All guesswork of course...

Very quickly

Stage 17 - Contador attacked but could not get away despite not doing any work before. No way on earth could he have gone a minute faster.

Ventoux - maybe, but a minute is a figure plucked out of thin air I am afraid

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

...plucked out of thin air I am afraid

That's what the "All guesswork of course..." in my previous post means, so no need to be afraid.

 

[roundabout]

As I said, very quickly. You think that Contador could have gone 30 seconds faster than Armstrong at his very best. I disagree.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

As I said, very quickly. You think that Contador could have gone 30 seconds faster than Armstrong at his very best. I disagree.

Berto vs Lance at their respective peaks would have been a hell of a battle. As would Lance vs Pantani.

Not that we'll ever know for sure, though.

 

[trevim]

Very quickly

Stage 17 - Contador attacked but could not get away despite not doing any work before. No way on earth could he have gone a minute faster.

Ventoux - maybe, but a minute is a figure plucked out of thin air I am afraid

He attacked and then stopped because Kloden had been dropped.

 

[roundabout]

In other words he rode like an idiot.

There was no reason for him to stop or not to try again as it was obvious that Klöden blew up

 

[blackcat]

Barloworld I think like many teams of that era was really two teams, one dirty for sure with team approval, the other not so much.

Augustyn, Thomas, Impey, Robbie Hunter - names not usually associated with doping, but obviously all rode for the team in 2008-2009 timeframe, the same time as Froome.

Hiring Leinders was a stupid stupid move, that will haunt Sky for a long time.

if you only knew about Barlo, if...

 

[Ferminal]

Barloworld I think like many teams of that era was really two teams, one dirty for sure with team approval, the other not so much.

Augustyn, Thomas, Impey, Robbie Hunter - names not usually associated with doping, but obviously all rode for the team in 2008-2009 timeframe, the same time as Froome.

Hiring Leinders was a stupid stupid move, that will haunt Sky for a long time.

Funny that Hunter was only ever very good for one season, which happened to be at Barloworld. No chance whatsoever of being clean.

(Not to say he wasn't doping before then).

 

[roundabout]

1999. Points jersey at the Vuelta.

edit doh, forgot that he lost it on the last day

 

[bobbins]

Barloworld I think like many teams of that era was really two teams, one dirty for sure with team approval, the other not so much.

Augustyn, Thomas, Impey, Robbie Hunter - names not usually associated with doping, but obviously all rode for the team in 2008-2009 timeframe, the same time as Froome.

Hiring Leinders was a stupid stupid move, that will haunt Sky for a long time.

I think Leinders more than proved his worth to the team in 2013, what he did for them far outweighs any criticism they have ever got for recruiting him.

 

[trevim]

In other words he rode like an idiot.

I have to agree.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

i think leinders more than proved his worth to the team in 2013, what he did for them far outweighs any criticism they have ever got for recruiting him.

2012 ?

 

[bobbins]

2012 ?

My mistake sorry, 2011.

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/09/bradley-wiggins-vuelta-a-espana

Brailsford is going for world domination it seems.

Will Horner be able to juice to the max in two GTs this year to save cycling? Otherwise I hope someone else steps up.

 

[del1962]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/09/bradley-wiggins-vuelta-a-espana

Brailsford is going for world domination it seems.

Will Horner be able to juice to the max in two GTs this year to save cycling? Otherwise I hope someone else steps up.

septic, still encouraging riders to dope

anyway did you read the article, where in the article does it say wiggo will be going for GC in the vuelta, get back to me wen you can show me where, otherwise I can only assume you reading skills are somewhat limited

 

[roundabout]

Yup, will be the Vuelta of the Spanish bars.

 

[the sceptic]

septic, still encouraging riders to dope

anyway did you read the article, where in the article does it say wiggo will be going for GC in the vuelta, get back to me wen you can show me where, otherwise I can only assume you reading skills are somewhat limited

del 1962, still being a blind fanboy of the most obvious dopers since postal.

Where does it say he wont be trying to win it?

 

[del1962]

del 1962, still being a blind fanboy of the most obvious dopers since postal.

Where does it say he wont be trying to win it?

Septic. You are the one who wants people to dope, not me, I think dopers should be banned, I bet you where a pharmstrong fan

Anyway if you read the article you would find that he sees it as prep for world championship tt like Tony Martin used it, but I guess if something is not explicitlly said I guess someone with low comprehension skills is unlikely to get it.

 

[the sceptic]

Septic. You are the one who wants people to dope, not me, I think dopers should be banned, I bet you where a pharmstrong fan

Anyway if you read the article you would find that he sees it as prep for world championship tt like Tony Martin used it, but I guess if something is not explicitlly said I guess someone with low comprehension skills is unlikely to get it.

Skybots getting on their moral high horse is always funny. If you cared that much about doping you wouldnt be making so many excuses for the most obvious dopers in the peloton.

I want Ricco with 60% hematocrit against Froome in the tour. The sport is now beyond saving after sky started a new doping era. The least I can ask for is to get some entertainment, not one team winning everything they want to.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Skybots getting on their moral high horse is always funny. If you cared that much about doping you wouldnt be making so many excuses for the most obvious dopers in the peloton.

I want Ricco with 60% hematocrit against Froome in the tour. The sport is now beyond saving after sky started a new doping era. The least I can ask for is to get some entertainment, not one team winning everything they want to.

Remember what you posts in the mod thread earlier?

While you do have a point, you cannot complain about it when you instigate a fight. Wiggins riding the Vuelta is hardly a Clinic issue especially if it's so obvious that he is doping regardless.
And del is correct - when the article states that BW is riding the Vuelta in a bid to win the Worlds, then it's pretty obvious which is the priority.

 

[del1962]

Skybots getting on their moral high horse is always funny. If you cared that much about doping you wouldnt be making so many excuses for the most obvious dopers in the peloton.

I want Ricco with 60% hematocrit against Froome in the tour. The sport is now beyond saving after sky started a new doping era. The least I can ask for is to get some entertainment, not one team winning everything they want to.

Wow, even if Sky are doping (which you will need to find some credible evidence to convince me of, such as ppl witnessing them doping etc), they are hardly the ones that started the doping era

You love your dopers though