Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Morbius]

So is the concensus amoung those who think Wiggins dopes, that he was clean while a trackie with BC (and CA) but started doping with Garmin?

 

[BroDeal]

So is the concensus amoung those who think Wiggins dopes, that he was clean while a trackie with BC (and CA) but started doping with Garmin?

Pretty much. Track is a small pond with no depth. All the talented guys are making money on the road. Before Garmin he never placed in the top 100 of the Tour.

I do not think there is much doubt that Contador, Schleck, and Armstrong were all doping in 2009. The idea that Wiggins finally, after years of being paid to race on the road, decided he would get serious at the Tour and found he could hold his own against those three is ludicrous.

 

[blackcat]

2009 after Paris-Nice. Wiggins targeted the time trial, thinking it was perfect for him as reigning Olympic champion. He was beaten by Contador and was literally crying about it. I think that is the point when he snapped and decided to do what everyone else was doing.

he was always dopinjg, but if you mean, to ramp up the program to the equivalent of others, yeah, i agree.

He also whinged at the Tour de France when Vino was popped, that Pistolero won (gc),

Vino won, Evans (a clean evans <cough cough>) then Contador rounded out the podium on the long chrono, then Wiggo was fourth. He cracked it then too. 2007?

 

[blackcat]

Pretty much. Track is a small pond with no depth. All the talented guys are making money on the road. Before Garmin he never placed in the top 100 of the Tour.

I do not think there is much doubt that Contador, Schleck, and Armstrong were all doping in 2009. The idea that Wiggins finally, after years of being paid to race on the road, decided he would get serious at the Tour and found he could hold his own against those three is ludicrous.

nah, always was doping. Even when he sets the WR in Colombia at altitude in the jnr 3km IP at the worlds.

But just a soft program. So when he was at Linda Mac, he did a soft program too. Even in the 3 months he was on the team with Spencer Smith when they were still viable/liquid/financial

 

[SundayRider]

nah, always was doping. Even when he sets the WR in Colombia at altitude in the jnr 3km IP at the worlds.

But just a soft program. So when he was at Linda Mac, he did a soft program too. Even in the 3 months he was on the team with Spencer Smith when they were still viable/liquid/financial

Why do you think this? And do you mean Spencer Smith the triathlete?

 

[roundabout]

The Hitch, I know you don't like Wiggins and so on, but I'm interested in this bullying of Landis, as I've seen you mention this before, and what form did it actually take?

I've seen that quote where he says about how he 'knows people who Landis has been phoning up drunk, so you've got wonder about his credibility' (and in which he also goes on to say, 'but maybe that's all borne out of frustration, so you never know', though that bit doesn't often get quoted around here), but is there any other substance to his bullying? And didn't Landis publicly accuse Wiggins of cheating in 2009, before the quote above?

Don't want to particularly argue with you about this, as I know you're clear in your own view, I just want to check what the underlying evidence is!

If you got to the never know bit, might as well post the full quote

I think you have to question Landis’ credibility because he lied under oath before and the stories that you hear about him drinking and things like that and you know, [making] telephone calls to people I know, threatening them with things, you just think that the guy appears to not all be there. So when you see these kinds of claims in the press you have to question his credibility because it’s almost like it’s coming from a mad man, but at the same time maybe that’s all borne out of frustration and things.

You just never know but you just look at the way his life has gone over the last five years and you think there’s one person who it would have been so easy to have just admitted it when it happened in 2006, come clean if he did do it and he would have been back racing in a professional team making pretty good money. It’s quite sad how his life has gone away, just dwindled away and now there’s all these claims and counter claims and it’s quite a sad story for him.

Nope, still pathetic.

Doubly pathetic when combined with the quotes on Armstrong from the same article

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-calls-for-biological-passport-data-to-be-made-public

And I think Wiggins started it first with the "bitter drunk" inference. Floyd just put him in his place.

 

[blackcat]

Why do you think this? And do you mean Spencer Smith the triathlete?

was being a little facetious invoking the ponytailed versace shirt wearing triathlete.

why? I think the culture was endemic. And i was given heads up also on Wiggo.

And whinging about Moreno or whoever the Italian rider on Cofidis was popped, and whinging about Vino when he won the tt, then is popped, it is a little much to take.

He is a phenomenal rider, no doubt. But leave the doping talk at the door. You dont wish for people to make value judgements on doping, well dont perpetuate these value judgements. Doping inandofitself is not my concern, by gees, just leave the hypocrisy at the door, and dont throw others under the bus. Like Millar when he was in the Toulouse cell, and DB was there and supported him, well, dont throw the colleagues and associates under the bus. This is the Armstrong behaviour 99.9% of the board rail against.

 

[SundayRider]

was being a little facetious invoking the ponytailed versace shirt wearing triathlete.

why? I think the culture was endemic. And i was given heads up also on Wiggo.

And whinging about Moreno or whoever the Italian rider on Cofidis was popped, and whinging about Vino when he won the tt, then is popped, it is a little much to take.

He is a phenomenal rider, no doubt. But leave the doping talk at the door. You dont wish for people to make value judgements on doping, well dont perpetuate these value judgements. Doping inandofitself is not my concern, by gees, just leave the hypocrisy at the door, and dont throw others under the bus. Like Millar when he was in the Toulouse cell, and DB was there and supported him, well, dont throw the colleagues and associates under the bus. This is the Armstrong behaviour 99.9% of the board rail against.

Agree that Wiggins is not clean just not sure when he will have started. Re. Spencer Smith he didn't have a great reputation when triathlon was in its infancy in the UK - many many years ago.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Like Millar when he was in the Toulouse cell, and DB was there and supported him.

I often wonder about the significance of DB being with Millar when the Gendarmes came a-knocking. Complicity in some mega-doping scheme, or sounding him out about the upcoming Athens OGs, when Millar would have been a major contender in the ITT?

 

[roundabout]

I often wonder about the significance of DB being with Millar when the Gendarmes came a-knocking. Complicity in some mega-doping scheme, or sounding him out about the upcoming Athens OGs, when Millar would have been a major contender in the ITT?

There's only one question then, did Millar give him the guided tour of his apartment?

 

[RownhamHill]

If you got to the never know bit, might as well post the full quote



Nope, still pathetic.

Doubly pathetic when combined with the quotes on Armstrong from the same article

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-calls-for-biological-passport-data-to-be-made-public

Yeah, sorry I was quoting off the top of my head, as I've seen that article thrown up a few times in these boards, wasn't not linking for any particular reason. To be honest I'm not that interested in another discussion of that interview, just wondering if that is the full extent of Wiggins bullying, or if there's more to it.

And I think Wiggins started it first with the "bitter drunk" inference. Floyd just put him in his place.

What is the story with all that - all I've ever seen is a reference to Cath Wiggins going off on one on twitter about Floyd, but never been sure of what he is meant to have said, or when?

 

[BroDeal]

Doubly pathetic when combined with the quotes on Armstrong from the same article

Triply pathetic when combined with the fact that Wiggins rode on a team filled with ex-Postal riders who told him that Armstrong was doping. He knew Landis was telling the truth and chose to publicly cast doubt on Landis.

 

[blackcat]

I often wonder about the significance of DB being with Millar when the Gendarmes came a-knocking. Complicity in some mega-doping scheme, or sounding him out about the upcoming Athens OGs, when Millar would have been a major contender in the ITT?

I'd be prepared to give DB benefit on just planning out the next 12-18 months of their major races schedule for the national team, be it worlds or olympics. I doubt brailsford would have bothered with getting his hand in the cookie jar.

but doping in cycling was around yonks before DB ever stepped into the GB set-up. But to think the trackies were clean before, or after he got the gig, is risible. It has zero credibility. They did like everyone else. no worse. But they definitely never had this stiff upper lip gordonstoun chariots o fire muscular christianity thing and no doping position.

 

[Catwhoorg]

DB pregnant wife was also at the table.

Hardly a likely companion for deep doping talk.

 

[blackcat]

DB pregnant wife was also at the table.

Hardly a likely companion for deep doping talk.

is that his ex-wife?

Has he not shacked up/married to Fran Millar?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

is that his ex-wife?

Has he not shacked up/married to Fran Millar?

 

[SundayRider]

Triply pathetic when combined with the fact that Wiggins rode on a team filled with ex-Postal riders who told him that Armstrong was doping. He knew Landis was telling the truth and chose to publicly cast doubt on Landis.

I'm sure he knew that Armstrong was doping before he joined Garmin.

 

[Benotti69]

I'm sure he knew that Armstrong was doping before he joined Garmin.

Anyone with half a brain who was watching the TdF in '99 knew that Armstrong was doping!!!

I mean the dope bust in '98 should've been a big hint.

 

[BroDeal]

Anyone with half a brain who was watching the TdF in '99 knew that Armstrong was doping!!!

I mean the dope bust in '98 should've been a big hint.

There are still lots of people with half a brain or less. Many post here. The same sort of saps who believed in Armstrong then believe in Sky now.

 

[BYOP88]

There are still lots of people with half a brain or less. Many post here. The same sort of saps who believed in Armstrong then believe in Sky now.

And don't forget the ones who were against Armstrong but strangely believe in Sky.

 

[blackcat]

And don't forget the ones who were against Armstrong but strangely believe in Sky.

DimSpace / SkyCyclingFan

Almost as bad as AusCyclingFan94 and her belief in Evans

 

[veganrob]

And don't forget the ones that never heard of Armstrong till now that are true, blue Sky believers.

 

[sittingbison]

There are still lots of people with half a brain or less. Many post here. The same sort of saps who believed in Armstrong then believe in Sky now.

And don't forget the ones who were against Armstrong but strangely believe in Sky.

That's probably left brain dominant and right brain dominant

 

[ChewbaccaD]

And don't forget the ones who were against Armstrong but strangely believe in Sky.

Or all of those idiots who didn't/don't believe in either, nor miracles, nor unicorns, nor the fact that winning the Anatomic Jock Race and coming in 5th in the Commonwealth Games TT is a STRONG indicator of future Tour dominance...I pity those fools...

 

[oldcrank]

... Even when he sets the WR in Colombia at altitude in the jnr 3km IP at the worlds....

There are a number of errors in the above quote.