Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Zam_Olyas]

Considering what he says about training he either is clueless or indeed does not tell the truth even about simple things.

Nobody trains by climbing the Pico del Teide 100 times. That's just *** and indeed medival training methods. Yet he said it... why? I assume it was because it was the perfect heroic story in the newspaper.

And that's just one of the many times I know the guy is just saying nonsense. I tale everything what he says for just another usless soundbite. He's extremely secretive about his real training methods and that makes me also cnvinced what he says about his weight is just as sketchy.

what do you reckon his weight was during PR and now at the California race?

 

[red_flanders]

Do you think the climb was really that difficult? Sure it ramped up in the last km (where Wiggins, incidentally, lost time), but for the most part was a long steady gradient. I would say that kind of climb suits the tempo riding of a diesel motor like Wiggins.

I've climbed it a couple of times. It's long and relatively shallow, but not steady. Lots of flat spots. Not a difficult climb, but a long one. Perfect for Wiggins other than the last bit, IMO. The field is weak as well.

Wiggins looked to me like he was simply trying to push himself and see what he could do and didn't give a toss about the stage win or really the race overall. I think he just wanted to put the hurt on, which he did.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

No DW, this is exactly the point: You think he's a flat out liar about doping. That's why you took the nickname. You think he's scum.

So if he talks about doping: Liar.
If he talks about weight: The truth.

Your attempt here falls flat on it's face as this is eactly why we can't take his claims about his weight for truth. Because there's a rather big chance he's indeed a liar.

If you took the trouble to read my sig, you would see the words "letters to and from the pro peloton".

You're an absolute idiot if you think I think Wiggo - or anyone for that matter - is scum. A complete and utter moron.

I took the name because it's how you start letters, when you write them to people. And Wiggo, when I started taking more interest in strange rider transformations, was the most intensely weird and strange transformation, replete with countless examples of utter BS to support his transformation.

So "Dear Wiggo" is how I would start a letter to Wiggo, about his transformation, and how I earn a proper living with a proper job, and don't get paid a tonne of money (75,000 GBP) to do 24-34 minutes riding every year like he does, but do 30-40 hours a week of work.

If he's sincere about not doping - and from memory he doesn't actually say, "I don't dope", but only, " I wouldn't dope because..." then his weightloss / gain claims should be taken sincerely also.

I am not the one saying Wiggo cannot be believed in what he says, and if you can find a post where I do say he's lying, then I welcome you linking to it.

Otherwise, your claim of "Your attempt here falls flat on it's [sic] face" looks as stupid as your claim that I think he is scum.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Do you think the climb was really that difficult? Sure it ramped up in the last km (where Wiggins, incidentally, lost time), but for the most part was a long steady gradient. I would say that kind of climb suits the tempo riding of a diesel motor like Wiggins.

Unless he was riding by himself, everyone sitting on his wheel was saving 10-30% in watts required to ride up that same hill.

Just sayin'.

 

[red_flanders]

Unless he was riding by himself, everyone sitting on his wheel was saving 10-30% in watts required to ride up that same hill.

Just sayin'.

Good point but I think on that climb it's hard to imagine anyone saving 30%. 10% sounds about more like it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Good point but I think on that climb it's hard to imagine anyone saving 30%. 10% sounds about more like it.

If there were flat spots (?) but yes, depends on speed. At ~30km/hr, I get a ~15-20% drop in power sitting on second wheel. At 3rd wheel it's down to around 30% lower, and then 4th+ is around 35% (from memory, been a while since I was riding a "pace" line).

Either way, anyone saying Wiggo smashing out 6km solo on the front, giving everyone else a draft and then sitting up for the final 500m is not indicative of form or strength is dreaming. A 6km uphill leadout is essentially what he did, and it's absolutely no surprise at all that the riders sitting on him, for 10+% less effort, were able to drop him towards the end when it got steep.

Wiggo is here to do well, but his mind is on the Tour and next year's contract, and I think he'll be even more capable in July.

 

[red_flanders]

Either way, anyone saying Wiggo smashing out 6km solo on the front, giving everyone else a draft and then sitting up for the final 500m is not indicative of form or strength is dreaming.

Oh, no doubt. He looks in amazing form. I thought that was pretty obvious from day 1 when he, Boonen and QS were crushing the field in the echelons. Looks very strong and in great form.

Rides with some style as well.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Oh, no doubt. He looks in amazing form. I thought that was pretty obvious from day 1 when he, Boonen and QS were crushing the field in the echelons. Looks very strong and in great form.

Rides with some style as well.

You know thinking about the whole weight thing, there's two possibilities:

1. he didn't put weight on for P-R, in which case holy hell he has some power for that race to be up there with Cancellara et al
2. he did, and then lost it for this hillier stage race in preparation for the tour, in which case his weight loss looks ridiculous (again).

I reckon all that talk in the British papers, over and over again about Wiggo maybe not making the Tour team but wanting to is a big telegraph - he wants it.

The person earlier saying riders don't ride consistent years, but do well on alternate years need to remember riders don't perform for 6 months straight at the top of the pile, and Adam Hansen is a pretty good counter example of not performing well year in year out, as are countless other doms.

 

[SundayRider]

If you took the trouble to read my sig, you would see the words "letters to and from the pro peloton".

You're an absolute idiot if you think I think Wiggo - or anyone for that matter - is scum. A complete and utter moron.

I took the name because it's how you start letters, when you write them to people. And Wiggo, when I started taking more interest in strange rider transformations, was the most intensely weird and strange transformation, replete with countless examples of utter BS to support his transformation.

So "Dear Wiggo" is how I would start a letter to Wiggo, about his transformation, and how I earn a proper living with a proper job, and don't get paid a tonne of money (75,000 GBP) to do 24-34 minutes riding every year like he does, but do 30-40 hours a week of work.

If he's sincere about not doping - and from memory he doesn't actually say, "I don't dope", but only, " I wouldn't dope because..." then his weightloss / gain claims should be taken sincerely also.

I am not the one saying Wiggo cannot be believed in what he says, and if you can find a post where I do say he's lying, then I welcome you linking to it.

Otherwise, your claim of "Your attempt here falls flat on it's [sic] face" looks as stupid as your claim that I think he is scum.

When does he get paid 75K to do 24-34 minutes riding?

 

[andy1234]

So "Dear Wiggo" is how I would start a letter to Wiggo, about his transformation, and how I earn a proper living with a proper job, and don't get paid a tonne of money (75,000 GBP) to do 24-34 minutes riding every year like he does, but do 30-40 hours a week of work.

Boo f****g hoo....

Guess what, I can guarantee there are millions of people working harder than you, and earning less. Should they write letters to you??

Dear, Dear Wiggo......

 

[DirtyWorks]

Wiggo is here to do well, but his mind is on the Tour and next year's contract, and I think he'll be even more capable in July.

IMHO, that's what the climb was about. He showed team bosses he can produce GT power on a substantial climb and it's not even June.

Sir Brad seems to be setting himself up to take the first chance circumstances may not go well for Froome-Dog.
I like the new Brad. He'll create total chaos for the team in July at this rate. Drama!!!

 

[SundayRider]

You know thinking about the whole weight thing, there's two possibilities:

1. he didn't put weight on for P-R, in which case holy hell he has some power for that race to be up there with Cancellara et al
2. he did, and then lost it for this hillier stage race in preparation for the tour, in which case his weight loss looks ridiculous (again).

I reckon all that talk in the British papers, over and over again about Wiggo maybe not making the Tour team but wanting to is a big telegraph - he wants it.

The person earlier saying riders don't ride consistent years, but do well on alternate years need to remember riders don't perform for 6 months straight at the top of the pile, and Adam Hansen is a pretty good counter example of not performing well year in year out, as are countless other doms.

If your implying that you earn 75K per year thought then that is more than twice the average UK wage, so not bad at all!

 

[red_flanders]

You know thinking about the whole weight thing, there's two possibilities:

1. he didn't put weight on for P-R, in which case holy hell he has some power for that race to be up there with Cancellara et al
2. he did, and then lost it for this hillier stage race in preparation for the tour, in which case his weight loss looks ridiculous (again).

I think he's much thinner than at Roubaix. I thought he looked good there, but strong and powerful. He's getting super thin again and gaining power.

Fairly clear he's high-octane juicing again IMO. I'm pretty much shrugging at this point. Whatever.

 

[Merckx index]

If there were flat spots (?) but yes, depends on speed. At ~30km/hr, I get a ~15-20% drop in power sitting on second wheel. At 3rd wheel it's down to around 30% lower, and then 4th+ is around 35% (from memory, been a while since I was riding a "pace" line).

At 30 kph, the difference between leading the pack and zero drag would be about 30%. But climbing at 30 kph indicates a pretty shallow slope, maybe 4%. The last 8-9 km, at least, had an average gradient of 6-6.5%, suggesting a 15-20% difference. But that is assuming zero drag. You get reduced drag riding in a peloton, but not zero drag. The maximum reduction is probably less than half, so the power reduction is only about 5%.

Not saying that isn’t significant, but let’s not get carried away (the riders behind Wiggo didn’t).

 

[stutue]

IMHO, that's what the climb was about. He showed team bosses he can produce GT power on a substantial climb and it's not even June.

Sir Brad seems to be setting himself up to take the first chance circumstances may not go well for Froome-Dog.
I like the new Brad. He'll create total chaos for the team in July at this rate. Drama!!!

I agree. He's had nearly two years to mull over Froome's attempt to stiff him on that climb, a year to sulk about it and then a year to do the work to get him here.

I think he's going to light things up. Hope Brailsford let's him ride. Think he might have to.

 

[Avoriaz]

If you took the trouble to read my sig, you would see the words "letters to and from the pro peloton".

You're an absolute idiot if you think I think Wiggo - or anyone for that matter - is scum. A complete and utter moron.

They are, however, all (bar one to his boss) to Wiggo rather than the pro peloton. And shouldn't the address to a knight of the realm be Dear Sir?

 

[SundayRider]

I agree. He's had nearly two years to mull over Froome's attempt to stiff him on that climb, a year to sulk about it and then a year to do the work to get him here.

I think he's going to light things up. Hope Brailsford let's him ride. Think he might have to.

If he is in this form they will have to pick him. As a back up leader as well as a Dom. If something happens to Froome and he is within a couple of minutes going into the final TT then anything can happen. They might want to avoid the possible conflict of picking him though?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

When does he get paid 75K to do 24-34 minutes riding?

3-4 x ~4 minute pursuits twice a year is what he had to do to earn the Lottery Funding he got each year from BC.

Top level funding netts you around 75k GBP.

Also rans like the roadie women get around 12k - a pittance.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

They are, however, all (bar one to his boss) to Wiggo rather than the pro peloton. And shouldn't the address to a knight of the realm be Dear Sir?

Call it poetic license - Wiggo, as the patron of the 2012 peloton (remember when he stopped everyone so Cadel could get back on?) represents the peloton, whether we like it or not. LA as the patron back in his heyday, it's just the way it goes.

If I could constantly change my username like some of the sockpuppets seem to be able to, I could change to Dear Froome or something, to keep it current, but at the time, no, Wiggo was not a sir, and yes, he was the patron of the peloton in 2012, and therefore letter to the peloton are addressed to him.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Boo f****g hoo....

Guess what, I can guarantee there are millions of people working harder than you, and earning less. Should they write letters to you??

Dear, Dear Wiggo......

I would not expect everyone to understand literary devices so no, if you are asking this question sincerely, is the answer.

 

[stutue]

If he is in this form they will have to pick him. As a back up leader as well as a Dom. .....
.. They might want to avoid the possible conflict of picking him though?

Exactly.

I hope he rides. This could be funny.

 

[SundayRider]

3-4 x ~4 minute pursuits twice a year is what he had to do to earn the Lottery Funding he got each year from BC.

Top level funding netts you around 75k GBP.

Also rans like the roadie women get around 12k - a pittance.

He was always on a road team as well as track though wasn't he. So even before his transformation his yearly salary was probably close to 200K. It is probably at least 10 x that now however. Doping pays.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He was always on a road team as well as track though wasn't he. So even before his transformation his yearly salary was probably close to 200K. It is probably at least 10 x that now however. Doping pays.

Yeah but he wasn't doing anything worth writing about on those teams; never had to try because he had guaranteed income for riding a few pursuits. My point is in relation to him calling people earning an honest living "bone idle lazy w*nkers".

Particularly given his whinge about having no money and expecting to be a millionaire for winning gold medals at the Olympics.

Funny how he suddenly, miraculously, became one not too many years later...

 

[SundayRider]

Yeah but he wasn't doing anything worth writing about on those teams; never had to try because he had guaranteed income for riding a few pursuits. My point is in relation to him calling people earning an honest living "bone idle lazy w*nkers".

Particularly given his whinge about having no money and expecting to be a millionaire for winning gold medals at the Olympics.

Funny how he suddenly, miraculously, became one not too many years later...

Yeah I totally agree with you. He was still very wealthy though even before becoming a GC rider - for like you say not doing a great deal in a fairly weak event.

 

[The Hitch]

He was always on a road team as well as track though wasn't he. So even before his transformation his yearly salary was probably close to 200K. It is probably at least 10 x that now however. Doping pays.

I doubt it was 200k. not for a bottle carrier, unless his gold medal status was far more prestigious in France than Cofidis let on. That's why he was complaining in 2007 about dopers getting 7 figure salaries, while he was fighting for a contract.

But then he found out that if he trained harder he could ride faster than most of the dopers ever did and viola, just like that, he's on a 7 figure salary himself.

Deus ex machina.