Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[andy1234]

I would not expect everyone to understand literary devices so no, if you are asking this question sincerely, is the answer.

Ahhhhh, a literary device, and there was me thinking it was just whining about someone elses salary.

 

[SundayRider]

I doubt it was 200k. not for a bottle carrier, unless his gold medal status was far more prestigious in France than Cofidis let on. That's why he was complaining in 2007 about dopers getting 7 figure salaries, while he was fighting for a contract.

But then he found out that if he trained harder he could ride faster than most of the dopers ever did and viola, just like that, he's on a 7 figure salary himself.

Deus ex machina.

When I said 200K I meant the 75K lottery/track riding money and also his Cofidis contract, plus endorsements etc.

 

[JimmyFingers]

So debating what he once got paid is relevant how to the doping debate? Or is it just another opportunity to slag him off?

 

[Mellow Velo]

I've climbed it a couple of times. It's long and relatively shallow, but not steady. Lots of flat spots. Not a difficult climb, but a long one. Perfect for Wiggins other than the last bit, IMO. The field is weak as well.

Wiggins looked to me like he was simply trying to push himself and see what he could do and didn't give a toss about the stage win or really the race overall. I think he just wanted to put the hurt on, which he did.

Absolutely, this.

Yeah so Wiggo almost single handedly rode like a team of Sky riders.
Seems legit.

Definitely not this.

If RF, a noted Sky sceptic can call it, you must be trying way to hard with the wrong material.
Quit while you are behind.

 

[DirtyWorks]

So debating what he once got paid is relevant how to the doping debate?

A minor investment in doping paid huge dividends. That's not possible though. Grand Tour Winner Wiggo was always possible.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Ah ok, so a bit of guesswork on what he was paid, coupled with further guesswork on what he is paid now and we have a nailed on motive for doping, gotcha.

 

[RownhamHill]

Out of interest, given his bitterness/near alcoholism in 2005 at the lack of an Olympic pot of gold, and given his well articulated awareness of the lucrative nature of doping in 2007, and the overall endemic culture of doping in the peloton in the mid noughties, why did he wait until 2009, after the blood passport had been introduced, to start doping?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

A warm welcome back to all the Skybots out there, gonna be a hot summer on CyclingNews.

And please, it was a weak field yesterday. And a tailwind of course.

 

[red_flanders]

Absolutely, this.

Yep. But it's pretty obvious he's back on the high-octane juice to be in this state of fitness. No way this is the rider we say pre-2009. Oh well. It is what it is. Yesterday didn't prove or disprove it in any way, but come on. Pre 2009 Wiggins would have been carrying the bottles.

 

[JimmyFingers]

A warm welcome back to all the Skybots out there, gonna be a hot summer on CyclingNews.

And please, it was a weak field yesterday. And a tailwind of course.

Did you miss me FGL? (;

 

[DirtyWorks]

Out of interest, given his bitterness/near alcoholism in 2005 at the lack of an Olympic pot of gold, and given his well articulated awareness of the lucrative nature of doping in 2007, and the overall endemic culture of doping in the peloton in the mid noughties, why did he wait until 2009, after the blood passport had been introduced, to start doping?

Two problems:

1. The assumption the bio-passport does something.
The same bio-passport that shows Horner's profiles are totally consistent with doping yet there was no case? How about the one where Armstrong's 2009 grand tour profile had a 1 in 1 million chance of being cleans? No case. How about the one that caught The Chicken? Oh, that's right, it didn't. Cleanest peloton ever.

2. Asking for some kind of logical explanation with the explicit goal of knocking it down isn't really appropriate.

Only Sir Brad knows the answers.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Ah ok, so a bit of guesswork on what he was paid, coupled with further guesswork on what he is paid now and we have a nailed on motive for doping, gotcha.

??

All those other dopers who landed podiums and Olympic medals regardless of IOC sport gained nothing? In cycling, those confessed dopers in the USADA decision rode for free?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Yep. But it's pretty obvious he's back on the high-octane juice to be in this state of fitness. No way this is the rider we say pre-2009. Oh well. It is what it is. Yesterday didn't prove or disprove it in any way, but come on. Pre 2009 Wiggins would have been carrying the bottles.

Look I no way dispute Wiggins transformed as a rider, it's just I don't believe it has to be down to dope. And I also think people are down playing his form last year for the sake of a good argument. Trentino he lost because of a mechanical, in the Giro his head was all over the place, and then he either had an injury or just wasn't in the right mindset to race. All his focus was on the ITT WC, in which he managed second, a very credible effort.

I don't see a new transformation this year, just a continuation of form that stretches back to at least 2011, and you can include 2009 in. And form fluctuates, so was Cadel's poor 2012 down to knocking the dope on the head, or Nibali this year? And if they did, why did they? Get an attack of moral-induced guilt, couldn't find the right doctor, motoman lost his satnav?

I expect Wiggins to race like that, with some balls and commitment, not the fannying about I saw at the Giro, or worse the Worlds Road Race. Good to see him back, and I put it down to his mental hunger not the fact he started doping again.

If he is doping, he's at it all the time, and has been for years.

 

[The Hitch]

Out of interest, given his bitterness/near alcoholism in 2005 at the lack of an Olympic pot of gold, and given his well articulated awareness of the lucrative nature of doping in 2007, and the overall endemic culture of doping in the peloton in the mid noughties, why did he wait until 2009, after the blood passport had been introduced, to start doping?

Out of interest, why did Armstrong wait until the 50% rule had been introduced before upping his doping?

 

[The Hitch]

I thought Wiggins required a previously unacheived goal to motivate himself to train harder than is physiologically possible for clean riders to train, and end up riding faster than any clean rider ever could.

He hadn't won the Tour de France, so he motivated himself in a way no other human being is capable of and won the Tour.

What's motivating him this time? Winning the Tour of California.

 

[JimmyFingers]

??

All those other dopers who landed podiums and Olympic medals regardless of IOC sport gained nothing? In cycling, those confessed dopers in the USADA decision rode for free?

I think my point was conjecturing about what he was paid and then conjecturing on how much he earns now is, well conjecture, as is conjecturing that was his motive for doping. I don't think he wanted to win the TdF for the money, I think he did it for the glory, for history, for his legacy, but again that's conjecture.

And that equally is motivation for doping of course.

 

[RownhamHill]

Two problems:

1. The assumption the bio-passport does something.
The same bio-passport that shows Horner's profiles are totally consistent with doping yet there was no case? How about the one where Armstrong's 2009 grand tour profile had a 1 in 1 million chance of being cleans? No case. How about the one that caught The Chicken? Oh, that's right, it didn't. Cleanest peloton ever.

2. Asking for some kind of logical explanation with the explicit goal of knocking it down isn't really appropriate.

Only Sir Brad knows the answers.

I'm making no assumptions about the efficacy of the blood passport, just exploring what - on the face of it - appears to be some interesting timing.

As for your second point, two things. First you have no way of knowing what my explicit goal is ( you never know, I might be asking for a logical explanation, because I, ermm, like logical explanations. . .), and second, because of that absence of knowledge of my motives, what you're really saying is 'asking for some kind of logical explanation isn't really appropriate'.

If I was into that kind of thing that's almost signature worthy.

 

[hfer07]

I thought Wiggins required a previously unacheived goal to motivate himself to train harder than is physiologically possible for clean riders to train, and end up riding faster than any clean rider ever could.

He hadn't won the Tour de France, so he motivated himself in a way no other human being is capable of and won the Tour.

What's motivating him this time? Winning the Tour of California.

bear in mind the Tour of California is considered by many "the 4th Grand Tour"..

 

[armchairclimber]

I thought Wiggins required a previously unacheived goal to motivate himself to train harder than is physiologically possible for clean riders to train, and end up riding faster than any clean rider ever could.

He hadn't won the Tour de France, so he motivated himself in a way no other human being is capable of and won the Tour.

What's motivating him this time? Winning the Tour of California.

Supporting quotes please. Thanks.

 

[thehog]

A warm welcome back to all the Skybots out there, gonna be a hot summer on CyclingNews.

And please, it was a weak field yesterday. And a tailwind of course.

And Leinders is not Ferrari. Not even close.

 

[RownhamHill]

Out of interest, why did Armstrong wait until the 50% rule had been introduced before upping his doping?

ermmm, he didn't?

 

[Benotti69]

Out of interest, given his bitterness/near alcoholism in 2005 at the lack of an Olympic pot of gold, and given his well articulated awareness of the lucrative nature of doping in 2007, and the overall endemic culture of doping in the peloton in the mid noughties, why did he wait until 2009, after the blood passport had been introduced, to start doping?

Bernard Kohl has stated that Bio Passport helped riders and their doping. Maybe Wiggo was all over the place with his doping and the BP made him take it seriuosly. So BP made Wiggo the rider he is today , which to be honest was the main raison d'etre for the UCI to introduce it.

 

[red_flanders]

Look I no way dispute Wiggins transformed as a rider, it's just I don't believe it has to be down to dope.

Why?

How did he do it clean?

Who has ever done anything like it clean?

 

[RownhamHill]

Bernard Kohl has stated that Bio Passport helped riders and their doping. Maybe Wiggo was all over the place with his doping and the BP made him take it seriuosly. So BP made Wiggo the rider he is today , which to be honest was the main raison d'etre for the UCI to introduce it.

It obviously didn't help him much though, since he got busted in 2008?

 

[BYOP88]

It obviously didn't help him much though, since he got busted in 2008?

But for every rider that's been busted by the BP, how many have the UCI let go?