Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Dear Wiggo]

Coggan's lesson learnt was: never lose weight. When I asked why, he essentially said that heart muscle is very easily lost when losing weight fast.

 

[Ripper]

This is just getting reedonkulous.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Wiggo rocked it up today in the TOC... Stretched out a diminished peleton for the last 6 km of the climb, fading in the last 500 meters. Awesome performance of power and effort!!! Lance would have been proud.

Eurosport Commentators remarked on his 5kg weight loss since Roubaix and his high cadence compared to his struggling competitors. In fact dare I say they were a little shocked by how good he was going. Good auld Bradley is well and truly back (or back on something....)

Yes, Lance habitually faded in the last 500m and lost time to his rivals, how observant

 

[Franklin]

You know, it's a big dissapointment that all these knowledgable posters forget to admit an undeniable truth:

- Riders always have and always will lie about their weight.

Besides, pictures are flat-out useless to judge weight.

Unless he steps on a scale (and they will have to do that before he TdF) it's all just buzz.

Somheow we are certain Wiggo is a liar about everything who is besides that to stupid to tie his laces. But all of a sudden now we anchor Wiggins statements with iron manacles as "THE TRUTH".

Also, somehow people try to make a huge noise about how Wiggo Jojo's weight. There is ZERO proof Wiggo jojo's more than other pro's. Indeed he has been in the really thin league since 2009, so there has been no significant change in that area.

I'm really sceptical about Sky and Wiggins, but this kind of nonsense shows how desperate people are in here and it's why a lot of it is dismissed out of hand as it's clearly ***.

 

[stutue]

I'm really sceptical about Sky and Wiggins, but this kind of nonsense shows how desperate people are in here and it's why a lot of it is dismissed out of hand as it's clearly ***.

Very true. Its a bit like fervent Christians seeing an image of Christ in their morning toast.

They see it because they are looking for it. And only it.

Some great stuff in here sometimes, but it can get lost in the clamour

 

[happychappy]

I'm really sceptical about Sky and Wiggins, but this kind of nonsense shows how desperate people are in here and it's why a lot of it is dismissed out of hand as it's clearly ***.

He still looked like a stickman compared to the cobbled chunksters. He definitely lost some chunk from 2008 to 2009 but to be honest I don't believe any of the "weightloss" and "weightgain" stories, let alone what the riders say they are doing in training. It's all disinformation. From Sky and from every other team.
What I'm trying to say is I don't think his drop in weight is drastic enough to be proof of "super duper weight loss drugs" because he didn't need to loose much in the first place.

I think people shouldn't focus too much on one person. Everyone seems to be at minimal bodyfat, all the "climbers" are looking like Michael Rasmussen.
It seems to be a similar story in every sport - more so in "soccer" for example. I remember the 90s where not every "soccer" player had the body of an underwear model. Did we suddenly get better at dieting or is the weight loss completely artificial? I don't think you can use Wiggins as an example, I think he's always looked like that.

 

[deeno1975]

Besides, pictures are flat-out useless to judge weight.

It wasn't pictures it was the Eurosport commentators who said it as a statement of fact. Presume they didn't just make it up and that they have a source for their information, otherwise they would loose credibility.

Any way what would it take to loose 5 KG in a month. What calorie deficit per day would you need and why no loss in power or health???

 

[deeno1975]

He definitely lost some chunk from 2008 to 2009 but to be honest I don't believe any of the "weightloss" and "weightgain" stories, let alone what the riders say they are doing in training. It's all disinformation. From Sky and from every other team.

Why say it then as it would serve no purpose...

Is what you are saying is that he did not loose weight between PR and TOC but that it may be used as a smoke screen for his improvement in climbing and TTing. If not weight loss then what brought about the improvement back to the Wiggins of 2012???

 

[ebandit]

all hard

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18959642

along with wiggo's majestic riding style / supplesse that explains everything

Mark L

 

[SundayRider]

It wasn't pictures it was the Eurosport commentators who said it as a statement of fact. Presume they didn't just make it up and that they have a source for their information, otherwise they would loose credibility.

Any way what would it take to loose 5 KG in a month. What calorie deficit per day would you need and why no loss in power or health???

Well there is approximately 7000 calories in 1KG of fat, so 7000 x 5 = 35 000 calories. So if the weight loss was purely fat and not muscle he would have been
taking in approximately 1200 calories (per day) than needed for maintenance. Must be quite difficult training hard day after day on that sort of deficit.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Eurosport Commentators remarked on his 5kg weight loss since Roubaix and his high cadence compared to his struggling competitors. In fact dare I say they were a little shocked by how good he was going. Good auld Bradley is well and truly back (or back on something....)

That was Brian Smith. Ever heard of Chinese whispers? No one but him talking about 5kgs. It's BS from BS.

Wiggo rocked it up today in the TOC... Stretched out a diminished peleton for the last 6 km of the climb, fading in the last 500 meters. Awesome performance of power and effort!!! Lance would have been proud.

Only to get crushed by another indoor convert.
Who said these track pursuit riders can't climb?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Commentators seize on some snippet of information and then trot it of ad infinitum. If you're basing suppositions on what a commentator has said, you're basing them on hot air, nothing more.

 

[deeno1975]

Commentators seize on some snippet of information and then trot it of ad infinitum. If you're basing suppositions on what a commentator has said, you're basing them on hot air, nothing more.

So we'll have to get the The American Office of Weights and Measures to measure him daily as whoever says anything about his weight is just BS and not credible.

So if Wiggins hasn't lost 5KG, what do you attribute his return to 2012 Tour form??

 

[happychappy]

Why say it then as it would serve no purpose...

Is what you are saying is that he did not loose weight between PR and TOC but that it may be used as a smoke screen for his improvement in climbing and TTing. If not weight loss then what brought about the improvement back to the Wiggins of 2012???

"Turning a Paris Roubaix rider into a lightweight climber in a couple of months is ridiculous!" is ridiculous. Comparing his PR weight to his current weight isn't an indication of drug use is what I'm talking about. I don't believe he lost muscle mass because he didn't gain any. That's why I'm saying the weight loss isn't as dramatic as some people seem to be claiming, and his loss would be achievable without specific weight loss drugs.
Yes, he lost fat for the 2009 tour (which could explain his climbing) but he hasn't changed his body type.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ah so Wiggins is lying when he says he gained weight then is back to his 2012 weight.

Gotcha.

How silly to believe anything he says.

Unless he's saying he doesn't dope.

 

[coinneach]

Imagine if riders signed 1 year contracts only. They'd have consistently good years each and every year.

No they wouldn't.
Annual variation is a very common pattern: read Bobets book about racing in the 1950's:
Best years were every other year.

 

[gillan1969]

they didn't just comment on weight loss at TOC time trial...they also opined that he had slowed down his cadence due to the ongoing lab work of these amazing guys at SKY. Who would have thunk it! High cadence = speed now low cadence = speed. Low weight = speed then high weight = speed and now back to low weight = speed

i cannot keep up with wiggins, literally and metaphorically...

 

[Ferminal]

That looks like a pretty disappointing performance. No better than Bondone. Not that it was unexpected. Probably not worth having in the Tour squad unless others don't pull up.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

How silly to believe anything he says.

The problem is that Wiggo does a lot of media events e.g. press conferences and interviews, gets asked a lot of questions and has to say something. Talking about cadence, weight loss etc. sounds better than "we're taking each stage as it comes" or "it'll be hard tomorrow but the boys will do everything they can to help me" even if it is just as meaningless in reality. Journos are happy, Sky management happy. Job done. Time for dinner.

It's not like he's under oath, acting as an expert witness or standing for political office, so why bother micro-analysing everything he says? Some of it will be right, some of it wrong and some of it unproveable. But so what?

 

[The Hitch]

The problem is that Wiggo does a lot of media events e.g. press conferences and interviews, gets asked a lot of questions and has to say something. Talking about cadence, weight loss etc. sounds better than "we're taking each stage as it comes" or "it'll be hard tomorrow but the boys will do everything they can to help me" even if it is just as meaningless in reality. Journos are happy, Sky management happy. Job done. Time for dinner.

It's not like he's under oath, acting as an expert witness or standing for political office, so why bother micro-analysing everything he says? Some of it will be right, some of it wrong and some of it unproveable. But so what?

Wiggins is a grown intelligent man who knows what he is saying, not a 5year old nor a special needs case.

When he says something he means it. This attempt to rectify the slipups he makes by claiming he can't be trusted is so pathetic. It isn't done for anyone else. Everyone else in the world is accountable for what they say, many do way more press conferences than Wiggins. Why is he supposed to be treated with kid gloves?

And the funniest thing is, when he says something you like. It's only when he contradicts skys story that the army of internet shrinks jumps in to offer any explanation imaginable from - he wasnt in a good mood to - he wad thinking about dinner. As if you could tell what he was thinking.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

So guys in your opinion how much kg's did he lose since PR?


(for the not really 5 kg's lost camp :d)

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Everyone else in the world is accountable for what they say, many do way more press conferences than Wiggins. Why is he supposed to be treated with kid gloves?

Wiggo's accountability in terms of what he says only stretches to his employers and to a lesser extent, his fans. As long as he's on message with his employers and not p*ssing off his fans, then he can say what he likes, subject to libel, slander and incitement laws, obviously.

He's not treated with kid gloves. It's just that talking gibberish is not an offence for which any serious action could be taken by outside parties. If he was in court under oath, he would act very differently indeed one would think. The point is that to expect coherence, logic and consistency from Wiggo is a waste of time. You're not going to get it, and are wasting your time trying to read anything into what he says.

He talked just as much b*llocks back in the day when no-one bar readers of Cycling Weekly gave two hoots as to what he said.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I think he is just one of those people who like to hear their own voice, regardless of the S**t that comes out of it. He just says pretty much whatever he wants, and his opinion changes daily.

I think people here put a lot in specifics of what people are saying, I think what is more important is the message over time, in a more broad sense. So going from vocal anti-doping, to no mention of it is a big baffling.

I don't trust anything a rider says about weight or watts.
Its all gamesmanship to try to mess with other riders heads.

But its still interesting to examine what ifs in case of this 4Kg mentioned.

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggo's accountability in terms of what he says only stretches to his employers and to a lesser extent, his fans. As long as he's on message with his employers and not p*ssing off his fans, then he can say what he likes, subject to libel, slander and incitement laws, obviously.

He's not treated with kid gloves. It's just that talking gibberish is not an offence for which any serious action could be taken by outside parties. If he was in court under oath, he would act very differently indeed one would think. The point is that to expect coherence, logic and consistency from Wiggo is a waste of time. You're not going to get it, and are wasting your time trying to read anything into what he says.

He talked just as much b*llocks back in the day when no-one bar readers of Cycling Weekly gave two hoots as to what he said.

So Wiggins rants about doping prior to 2007 was bollix? Strange as i thought he made sense when he said anyone with a 1% chance of working with a doping doctor should be out of the sport forever.

So you took Wiggin's anti doping stance as bollix? Do you place any credit on what Wiggins says? How do you judge Wiggins by his actions alone?

 

[Mellow Velo]

So guys in your opinion how much kg's did he lose since PR?


(for the not really 5 kg's lost camp :d)

I asked a similar question, yesterday.
Nobody was prepared to commit to a figure
and the hog went for the often used, just plain silly response.