Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Ripper]

I am actually agreeing with thehog ?

This ITT victory and margin of was well within his previously proven capabilities.

If he did put on 4 Kg for PR, (from 2012 Tour weight) and is now back at that weight. That is some serious weight loss.


There are a whole host of slimming drugs which aren't banned OOC. So whilst I do think he has had some assistance, I'm not sure its doping in the eye of WADA standards.

What slimming drugs are you talking about?

 

[Ripper]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/raci...iggins-gains-weight-take-paris-roubaix-118741

The new era is hilarious.

What are you talking about? 9 lb weight loss in one month with no loss in power at all is totally normal.

T O T A L L Y

 

[Dear Wiggo]

"When he's in top form, he's in top form," Phinney said of the stage winner. "He's been thinking about [the race] for awhile because it's important for him. I mean it's an impressive ride, and it kind of puts everybody else to shame. So yeah, chapeau to him."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/taylor-phinneys-reaction-to-his-tt-performance

Tomorrow's stage to Mt Diablo will be the proof in the pudding.

 

[stutue]

and so it begins..

The whining and biatching?

Yeah. Looks like it.

 

[Franklin]

I'm at a loss how you guys think you can recognize 3-4 kg's weight gain from a picture. I have no reason not to believe he's a tad heavier. It's not as if Wiggo 2012+5kg would rank different than really skinny.

Plenty of reason to wonder about him, but this is once again ***. It's all to easy to dismiss this as paranoia with accompanying ridicule. It's a moronic distraction from the real issues.

 

[Mellow Velo]

He only put a minute into Phinney, that's believable for a flat timetrial.

More a case of Phinney failing to match expectation again.
Also beaten by Dennis, who had had a bad crash the day before.

Tomorrow's stage to Mt Diablo will be the proof in the pudding.

I suspect we've already seen the proof in that pudding at Monte Bondone, three weeks ago.

 

[TailWindHome]

Taylor Phinney ‏@taylorphinney · 7h
Beat by two better men today. Satisfied with 3rd, still some work to do...but damn I really wanted that jersey...! Chapeau Wiggo. Wow..

 

[Bavarianrider]

He only put a minute into Phinney, that's believable for a flat timetrial.

Especially when it's a staggering 20km

 

[SundayRider]

Of course its not normal, Wiggins didn't win stages of big races until he was at least 29.

 

[SundayRider]

Would leave to see him in super form for the Tour just so he can get yellow after the first TT and force Froome to go FR, can't see it happening though.

EDIT - Forgot there is only one TT in the Tour this year.

 

[lllludo]

Wiggo in 2012 mode

Some people say time trialing like that is normal for Wiggo. Yes its is ... since mid-2011 when he started to beat Cancellara on a 20km flat at Bayern Rundfahrt.
But for the 2012 Wiggins yes this performance is normal.
However he spent the Tour 2012 answering questions about doping, about his transformations, about his weight-loss, about his team hiring Leinders, about his admiration for Armstrong contradicting his anti-doping stance etc...
So if the next 2 mountain stages confirm that the skinny Wiggins can fare like he did in 2012 then he's the same highly suspicious guy.

It's like Valverde being caught for blood doping and coming back at the same level of the performance. No questions to be asked: he's still doing it.

 

[SundayRider]

Some people say time trialing like that is normal for Wiggo. Yes its is ... since mid-2011 when he started to beat Cancellara on a 20km flat at Bayern Rundfahrt.
But for the 2012 Wiggins yes this performance is normal.
However he spent the Tour 2012 answering questions about doping, about his transformations, about his weight-loss, about his team hiring Leinders, about his admiration for Armstrong contradicting his anti-doping stance etc...
So if the next 2 mountain stages confirm that the skinny Wiggins can fare like he did in 2012 then he's the same highly suspicious guy.

It's like Valverde being caught for blood doping and coming back at the same level of the performance. No questions to be asked: he's still doing it.

Yeah your right. It's only been normal for Wiggins to perform like this since he was 31.

 

[Avoriaz]

He mentioned only Vino (since Vino tested positive) saying he knew Vino was doping just by how fast he was going (yes Vino able to tt - clear doping, but Wiggins dropping Nibali in the mountains not?).

Wiggins gained a grand total of 23 seconds in all the mountains in the 2012 TdF on Nibali. 18" of which on the last mountain stage, after being dragged up by Froome, and after Nibali had been on the attack himself.

 

[Mellow Velo]

LOL.
Once again objectivity goes flying out the forum window.
Now Wiggins shouldn't be competitive on a shortish TT course
in bone dry conditions, big, wide roads with only one turn, when
he has stated the race is a season goal?
Hardly had to leave his TT position.

Don't be daft.

 

[zigmeister]

Maybe Phinney should stop doing promo videos about dancing at the clubs and focus more like Wiggo does. Seems like one guy, when focused, is nearly unbeatable in the TT at mid-long distances. Wiggo proved that yesterday.

2012 for Wiggo, clearly the guy was dealing with the TDF/Olympic mayhem, knighthood (why do Brits still do this?) and his general IDGAF attitude (you figure that one out).

He was ready to quit from many interviews he made during that time. Now that he got over that nonsense and got back to cycling, the guy is tough to beat in the ITT.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He was ready to quit from many interviews he made during that time. Now that he got over that nonsense and got back to cycling, the guy is tough to beat in the ITT.

He was tough to beat in 2009 also. In fact it's only proven dopers that would go on to finish ahead of him at the Tour.

 

[Catwhoorg]

What slimming drugs are you talking about?

A whole slew of the stimulants prohibited IC, have the ability to aid weight loss, and OOC use is not regulated.

See S6 of the WADA code.

Edit
its been 4 weeks since PR. If he has indeed lost 4 Kg, that is just beyond the upper limit of the healthy level of weight loss for a typical adult, but lets just say it is the upper limit.
It remains far beyond what you would expect from a low body fat elite athlete.

 

[doolols]

LOL.
Once again objectivity goes flying out the forum window. Now Wiggins shouldn't be competitive on a shortish TT course in bone dry conditions, big, wide roads with only one turn, when he has stated the race is a season goal?
Hardly had to leave his TT position.

Don't be daft.

Quite. Wiggins has been doing TTs (albeit mist of them on the track) for years and years. It's his 'thing'. He only won the 2012 TdF because it was heavy on the TTs, and he had an expensive team to drag him up hills. The next couple of days will sort the real GC contenders from the trackies.

Any chance of rain or wet roads in the next couple of days? We know The Wig doesn't like inclement weather

 

[doolols]

What Wiggins does, and what Wiggins says, are usually approximately 180 degrees apart. You really don't want to believe anything he says in an interview, especially when it comes to training / weight regimes.

 

[Hawkwood]

Any chance of rain or wet roads in the next couple of days? We know The Wig doesn't like inclement weather

Which is bonkers for someone living in Lancashire! Years ago it was reported that his training routes took him into the Lake District, probably the wettest place in Britain.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What Wiggins does, and what Wiggins says, are usually approximately 180 degrees apart. You really don't want to believe anything he says in an interview, especially when it comes to training / weight regimes.

Gotcha .

If I took drugs I would stand to lose my reputation, my livelihood, my marriage, my family, my house, my titles
…
Nothing has changed about the reasons why I would never dope.
...
The question that needs to be asked is not why wouldn't I take drugs, but why would I? I know exactly why I wouldn't dope. To start with, I come to professional road-racing from a different background to a lot of guys. There is a different culture in British cycling. Britain is a country where doping is not morally acceptable.
...
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2012/jul/13/bradley-wiggins-dope-drugs

Or did you want to reconsider your theory?

 

[thehog]

Has got very thin again. How does one do that?

 

[del1962]

Which is bonkers for someone living in Lancashire! Years ago it was reported that his training routes took him into the Lake District, probably the wettest place in Britain.

There is a difference between training in the wet and racing in the wet though.

As an aside the Lake District is the wettest place in England, parts of Scotland are wetter

 

[The Hitch]

What Wiggins does, and what Wiggins says, are usually approximately 180 degrees apart. You really don't want to believe anything he says in an interview, especially when it comes to training / weight regimes.

If that was true there would be some record of people saying you can't trust Wiggins before 2012. There wasn't. His fans considered him one of the most intelligent and honest riders in the peloton.

It was only when people on here began to quote Wiggins on his newfound support for dopers and omerta, that his fanboys came up with this dishonest idea that Wiggins doesnt know what he's talking about, has no control over his thoughts and needs to be treated like he was special needs.
.bull****. Wiggins is a grown highly functioning man who knows perfectly well what is going on and he says what he wants to say. He was very consistent on his opinions of doping before his transformation and very consistent on his opinions since then. Away from cycling he's proven himself perfectly capable of handling interviews and discussing other topics.it's such a cheap pathetic line of argument and one likely admired by the trolls from the Armstrong days like Polish, BPC, Mambo 95 who wish they had thought of it.

When allegedly clean tdf winners who claim to represent the vanguard of the fight against doping, contradict themselves from month to month on questions such as their disease or their training approach, those are legitimate reasons for suspicions, and most sky fans would in other walks of life aknowledge that.
But here, they are so commited to the defense of this cycling team they have to pretend like for them, words actually carry no meaning.

 

[The Hitch]

Gotcha .


Or did you want to reconsider your theory?

That is such a disgusting idea, that he wouldn't dope because he's from Britain. Being American was an Armstrong defense.