Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[thehog]

Teenagers use thyroxine to loose weight. Apparently much better than amphetamines as you don't get paranoid or nervous sweats.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I admit, I am pretty bored by that typical Irish/UK weather that is on tv and here in Holland. Feck it.

But, the following does annoy me, very much indeed:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-fit-lean-and-ready-to-contend-at-tour-of-california

I mean, WTF? Tour of fecking California or the Giro? Come on. It is just like Liege, Sky have no respect for cycling, imho that is.

By the way, how will Sky Italia see this?

He he he.
It's the return of the good 'ol days of Levi and USPS.
Who will be the first Sky tool to call it the 4th GT?

 

[BYOP88]

He he he.
It's the return of the good 'ol days of Levi and USPS.
Who will be the first Sky tool to call it the 4th GT?

Give it a day or two and I'm sure Wiggans will call it the 2nd GT.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Give it a day or two and I'm sure Wiggans will call it the 2nd GT.

Wouldn't he call it the 2nd fecking GT?

 

[BYOP88]

Wouldn't he call it the 2nd fecking GT?

haha my bad!

 

[doperhopper]

Wouldn't he call it the 2nd fecking GT?

You mean fcuking 2nd after Royal Tour of Britain, knight?

 

[Hawkwood]

Now I do like the Porte like side effects:

Re: telmisartan looks like WADA was taking a look at this drug see: http://superhumangear.wordpress.com/category/telmisartan/ second main paragraph down. Not sure what it would do to you if you already had low blood pressure? I'm on a drug from the same family, same effects and side effects, and it's not dizzyness I've experienced it's virtually passing out!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: telmisartan looks like WADA was taking a look at this drug see: http://superhumangear.wordpress.com/category/telmisartan/ second main paragraph down. Not sure what it would do to you if you already had low blood pressure? I'm on a drug from the same family, same effects and side effects, and it's not dizzyness I've experienced it's virtually passing out!

Your blood pressure is not as likely to be low if you are training hard - BV expansion takes care of that - and EPO increases your blood pressure.

 

[Hawkwood]

Your blood pressure is not as likely to be low if you are training hard - BV expansion takes care of that - and EPO increases your blood pressure.

One of the other things you've got to watch is potassium levels, mine got mucked up and I suspect this was contributing to cramp.

 

[Franklin]

Your blood pressure is not as likely to be low if you are training hard.

Now that really needs scientific support as every scientific report I find is saying that indeed endurance training lowers your blood pressure.

Sorry DW, what you are claiming here is clearly utter nonsense.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Now that really needs scientific support as every scientific report I find is saying that indeed endurance training lowers your blood pressure.

Sorry DW, what you are claiming here is clearly utter nonsense.

Does exercise lead to volume expansion? That's the premise of my claim. If the exercise that professional cyclists is doing leads to blood volume expansion, there is more blood volume circulating through their veins and arteries.

If you have a fixed system of arteries and veins, and you add more volume of blood to that system, I am theorising that the pressure of the blood within that system would increase.

Now, we know BV increases - that's why Hct goes down during a GT and is expected to slowly go down over the course of a season.

Changes in blood volume affect arterial pressure by changing cardiac output.
http://www.cvphysiology.com/Blood Pressure/BP025.htm

Increases in peripheral resistance, blood volume, and cardiac output result in higher blood pressure.
Conversely decreases in any of these factors lead to lower blood pressure
http://www.winona.edu/biology/adam_...es/cardiovascular/Fact_Aff_Blood_Pressure.pdf

There's more than a few things that affect blood pressure, the link above goes through a pretty good explanation of them. Blood volume up = blood pressure up. The other things discussed can have an impact on the nett result on the blood pressure as well.

Keep in mind: this is specifically relating to pro athletes. Comparing the effect of exercise on them vs your overweight, fatty tissue rich plonker who is just starting to do some exercise, then yes, definitely exercise wlll reduce blood pressure.

 

[Franklin]

That's the premise of my claim. If the exercise that professional cyclists is doing leads to blood volume expansion, there is more blood volume circulating through their veins and arteries.

http://www.qscience.com/doi/abs/10.5339/qfarf.2011.bmps13

And that's just one of many articles.

 

[Ripper]

Exercise itself lowers blood pressure over time. There is also some volume increase, but it's not like the volume increase is in isolation.

This said, I believe there is evidence that exercise has a 'normalizing' effect. So it will tend to lower your blood pressure but medications that have lower BP as a SE can have this side effect somewhat mitigated. I need to look for the articles on this ...

Of course, not everyone is impacted by SE at all, and those that are have varying intensities of reactions which can be very dose dependent. It's like saying everyone taking Tramadol is going to get super dizzy. or have reduced coordination Not all will, but some will. And that seems to play out in racing, in terms of the anecdotal observations of crashes in races!

 

[the sceptic]

I guess the plan to gain weight to target the worlds ITT has been scrapped?

 

[BYOP88]

I guess the plan to gain weight to target the worlds ITT has been scrapped?

Still 4 months until the worlds. Plenty of time to gain weight.

 

[thehog]

Wiggins has a phenomenal bike posture. Really really good. Must do a load of flexibility exercises to ride in that position for long periods of time.

And probably the reason they're not using amphetamines to get skinny. Muscles tend to contract and cramp with amphet use. Won't be doing what he does on amphetamines. Would be another drug or drugs.

 

[stutue]

The reason they wouldn't be doing amphetamine is the same reason nobody does amphetmine.

It is quite literally p155 easy to test and detect.

 

[thehog]

The reason they wouldn't be doing amphetamine is the same reason nobody does amphetmine.

It is quite literally p155 easy to test and detect.

He has a phenomenal riding posture.

 

[stutue]

He has a phenomenal riding posture.

He's certainly changed his posture over the last 10 years. If you look at photos of his bikes the thing that stands out is how he has gone for shorter headtubes, and a smaller frame. I reckon he's gone down by more than a couple of sizes. That isn't uncommon, and has been the trend for a long time. I used to ride a farmyard gate in the 80's....now I'm on a 52 top tube...maybe I'm shrinking with age.

His TT position is waaay better than his Garmin days and that is in spite of Article 1.3.014.

That will have taken quite a lot of work.

EDIT: just noticed this thread is in the clinic section so I'd better add...DRUGS!!!

 

[thehog]

He's certainly changed his posture over the last 10 years. If you look at photos of his bikes the thing that stands out is how he has gone for shorter headtubes, and a smaller frame. I reckon he's gone down by more than a couple of sizes. That isn't uncommon, and has been the trend for a long time. I used to ride a farmyard gate in the 80's....now I'm on a 52 top tube...maybe I'm shrinking with age.

His TT position is waaay better than his Garmin days and that is in spite of Article 1.3.014.

That will have taken quite a lot of work.

EDIT: just noticed this thread is in the clinic section so I'd better add...DRUGS!!!

His road bike position is impeccably good & holds it for 5 plus hours. That's why I was surprised at his knee injury last year.

But beautiful to watch him ride. Just so smooth, fluid and efficant.

Pity he is such a knob!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

His TT position is waaay better than his Garmin days and that is in spite of Article 1.3.014.

Do you have any pics to support your claim?

Can't really see the difference myself, other than the weightloss...

 

[stutue]

Do you have any pics to support your claim?

Can't really see the difference myself, other than the weightloss...

Lower at the front, and a flatter back. I'll see if I can hunt out some illustrative pictures for you.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The hip to shoulder difference looks the same. You claim above he is on a smaller frame, but if his back is flatter, that requires longer body = longer / larger frame.

 

[stutue]

His road bike position is impeccably good & holds it for 5 plus hours. That's why I was surprised at his knee injury last year..

They said it was too much float in his left pedal. Not sure I buy that. Unless my eyes deceive me he's on Speed plays and I find it hard to believe he'd set the float wrong in them.

Cover story for loss of bottle, I think.

Pity he is such a knob!

Well, I kind of quite like the petulance I guess he looks line a bit of a **** when he's swanning around on a Vespa, but I actually find him quite funny.

Can't stand Cavendish, on the other hand.

 

[the sceptic]

I will forgive Wiggins for everything if he launches himself for tour leadership.