Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[DirtyWorks]

he'd need to find a further 5% of power (assuming no aero gains). That is a big improvement for someone already on top of his game.

That's an enormous gain.

Using simple numbers as an example it's not as simple as 500W + 25W. Human performance gains at the elite level are asymtoptic.

 

[BYOP88]

Bobridge won't be able to do it till he listens to hours and hours of mod music, grows some side burns and gets a serious attitude problem, then GT success is his for the taking

He also needs to get some tacky/awful/cheesy tattoos, a clothing line from a retro company(pretending to be MODern clothes line) and maybe a foundation, then Bobridge will win GT's until the cows come home, until then he'll just finish GT's in 112th.

 

[Benotti69]

He also needs to get some tacky/awful/cheesy tattoos, a clothing line from a retro company(pretending to be MODern clothes line) and maybe a foundation, then Bobridge will win GT's until the cows come home, until then he'll just finish GT's in 112th.

Dont forget the potty mouth, got to learn to swear and treat women bad.....yeah i reckon Bobridge could win next years tour with a bit of effort in the right places

 

[sponsor]

... so if you used to do 90RPM, and now do 100RPM, you're going 1000 inches further every minute. ...

I realize we're dealing with *** math, but sometimes you gotta slow it down for lurkers.

Lurker here...
The 100 inch gear is representative of the diameter. 90RPM to 100RPM on a 100 inch gear would move the rider = 3141 inches further a min.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

This should be cut and paste every time someone starts talking about the various transformations we see in cycling.

I recall 5% being the typical improvement reported in the early EPO days, so it's clearly a very significant performance boost. It was certainly enough to convert LeMond from a Tour winner to an also-ran.

As a bit of an aside, Wiggo was 4s faster in the Athens IP than Brad McGee. So all other things equal, Sir Brad had a 5% power advantage over the other Brad, who did quite well in the Giro that year.

Maybe this puts the GT potential of a top IPer into a different perspective. If the other Brad can get a top 10 in the Giro, is it so unreasonable for a guy with 5% more power to perform at Sir Brad's level in a GT?

Note to Dear Wiggo - please note my previously stated suspicions of Sir Brad. The question above is just a question not a religiously held belief that Sir Brad is the Second Coming.

 

[Ferminal]

Except McGee did it all in the same year. i.e. the idea that you can't go sub-4'20" over 4km and be at your GC best in the same season is flawed.

 

[SundayRider]

Some riders seem to really be in awe of Wiggins the way they talk about him in interviews. Its similar to the way riders used to talk about Armstrong.

 

[SundayRider]

Except McGee did it all in the same year. i.e. the idea that you can't go sub-4'20" over 4km and be at your GC best in the same season is flawed.

Yes, remember Hincapie beat Wiggins at the London proluge in 07, even when Wiggins had been training specifically for it.

 

[Ferminal]

Indeed, McGee on the other hand had road success concurrent to his best times on the track. Look at McGee climbing in 2003 relative to Wiggins 2007. In those years they were the same age, both focused on the road, both had career best TT performances.

 

[SundayRider]

Indeed, McGee on the other hand had road success concurrent to his best times on the track. Look at McGee climbing in 2003 relative to Wiggins 2007. In those years they were the same age, both focused on the road, both had career best TT performances.

The type of training that improves time trialliing and efforts on climbs, would also improve 4Km pursuit time and vice versa. The 'track start' is the only bit that is really track specific.

 

[Mellow Velo]

i look forward to jack bobridges utter 6 month domination of stage racing based on the irrefutable theory of IP superiority = big engine = total road domination, as long as you believe in yourself and are motivated.

or something.

Rheumatoid arthritis not ring any bells?

 

[frisenfruitig]

I recall 5% being the typical improvement reported in the early EPO days, so it's clearly a very significant performance boost. It was certainly enough to convert LeMond from a Tour winner to an also-ran.

As a bit of an aside, Wiggo was 4s faster in the Athens IP than Brad McGee. So all other things equal, Sir Brad had a 5% power advantage over the other Brad, who did quite well in the Giro that year.

Maybe this puts the GT potential of a top IPer into a different perspective. If the other Brad can get a top 10 in the Giro, is it so unreasonable for a guy with 5% more power to perform at Sir Brad's level in a GT?

Note to Dear Wiggo - please note my previously stated suspicions of Sir Brad. The question above is just a question not a religiously held belief that Sir Brad is the Second Coming.

What exactly are you getting at here? Sure, it's possible for good track riders to become GC candidates. But let's be fair here, it's been proven over and over that one needs to dope in order to be a factor in the GC, let alone win a GT. Track riders are no exception to this.

Besides, comparing IP performances to GT's doesn't make much sense tbh. As you know, power output is not the primary factor for GC guys, recovery is. And we all know how that works, don't we?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I recall 5% being the typical improvement reported in the early EPO days, so it's clearly a very significant performance boost. It was certainly enough to convert LeMond from a Tour winner to an also-ran.

As a bit of an aside, Wiggo was 4s faster in the Athens IP than Brad McGee. So all other things equal, Sir Brad had a 5% power advantage over the other Brad, who did quite well in the Giro that year.

Maybe this puts the GT potential of a top IPer into a different perspective. If the other Brad can get a top 10 in the Giro, is it so unreasonable for a guy with 5% more power to perform at Sir Brad's level in a GT?

Assuming Brad Wiggins was clean when he did that IP.
Add in the other posters' arguments that McGee was doing it simultaneously.

Yeah.

Nah.

I doubt you recall EPO improving power by 5% in the early EPO days too. They didn't do power much and they didn't measure Hct. And you get far more power than 5% if your efficiency is high and your Hct low.

 

[SundayRider]

Assuming Brad Wiggins was clean when he did that IP.
Add in the other posters' arguments that McGee was doing it simultaneously.

Yeah.

Nah.

I doubt you recall EPO improving power by 5% in the early EPO days too. They didn't do power much and they didn't measure Hct. And you get far more power than 5% if your efficiency is high and your Hct low.

Ala Armstrong.

 

[SundayRider]

Assuming Brad Wiggins was clean when he did that IP.
Add in the other posters' arguments that McGee was doing it simultaneously.

Yeah.

Nah.

I doubt you recall EPO improving power by 5% in the early EPO days too. They didn't do power much and they didn't measure Hct. And you get far more power than 5% if your efficiency is high and your Hct low.

Ala Armstrong.

 

[blackcat]

Yes, remember Hincapie beat Wiggins at the London proluge in 07, even when Wiggins had been training specifically for it.

and kloeden too, when kloeden was training to go up hill and as heavy for going up hill with requisite power loss from the lighter weight

 

[blackcat]

Except McGee did it all in the same year. i.e. the idea that you can't go sub-4'20" over 4km and be at your GC best in the same season is flawed.

Indeed, McGee on the other hand had road success concurrent to his best times on the track. Look at McGee climbing in 2003 relative to Wiggins 2007. In those years they were the same age, both focused on the road, both had career best TT performances.

think mcgee has about 3 or 4 years on Wiggo, but agree with these points

 

[Ripper]

and kloeden too, when kloeden was training to go up hill and as heavy for going up hill with requisite power loss from the lighter weight

Klodi was clean

 

[blackcat]

Klodi was clean

his nickname is Hildie.

otherwise, i agree.

his nickname, think milkmaid, think pigtails, think bavaria, think wetnurse.

 

[blackcat]

Hildie ftw

groin strategically placed

 

[Ripper]

his nickname is Hildie.

otherwise, i agree.

his nickname, think milkmaid, think pigtails, think bavaria, think wetnurse.

of course, you know I was joking?

 

[blackcat]

of course, you know I was joking?

it did not matter if you were or were not joking, I was gonna use any or every excuse or no excuse to ply my trade in drollery

hildie ftw

klodi was clean

 

[SundayRider]

Wiggins now wants to do the Hour record due to the rule change and the fact that he can compare himself to Indurain. Why would a clean rider want to compare himself to a doper?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Wiggins now wants to do the Hour record due to the rule change and the fact that he can compare himself to Indurain. Why would a clean rider want to compare himself to a doper?

Because clean performances will one day surpass doped performances.

 

[SundayRider]

Because clean performances will one day surpass doped performances.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.