Wiggins, a man in love!

[gingerwallaceafro]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Haha! Probably..

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

You do realize Kimmage is no longer with the Times?
His last book was about Rugby. So, how is he earning from it?

He'll have a follow up coming out I'd expect. It's all career enhancing for him nevertheless.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I like Kimmage. His book is great, the sport needs people like him. However, he is prone to the odd mistake because he shoots from the hip, I always thought he surrendered the moral high ground to Armstrong with his cancer comment, and I am still to be convinced of any sky doping. A dodgy doctor - yes.

But some of the comments on this site are pathetic. "i am not watching the tour anymore" after Belles Filles. It was a 5.9k climb where each domestique done about 1.5k. Nothing extra terrestial. The next day, liquigas isolated Wiggins and Froome really easy. Wiggins is beatable, no doubt.

His comments the other day can always be used both ways, as well as if he played it down, I honestly just thought he spat his dummy out a bit but it was an honest response. No one knows if he is doping on here or not, but that is the nature of the beast. It will ALWAYS be that way. I think the sport has got cleaner, but I don't know, like no one else here. I do understand the cynicism though.

This is, by definition, not successfully isolating anybody.

 

[Benotti69]

He'll have a follow up coming out I'd expect. It's all career enhancing for him nevertheless.

It is his job to write!!! So to write a followup would be career enhancing? He is not some lackey like Bill Strickland. I cant imagine talking about doping as career enhancement. Seems Wiggins agrees, talking about doping is not good for the career.

If Kimmage did a follow up to every doping scandal in pro cycling and sold them like JK Rowling he be able to own ASO.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

The problem is that he is a journalist pointing out the obvious questions about Team Sky. If Kimmage was talking about Liquigas or Katusha then ol' Ginger would not be making asinine comments about Kimmage having too much power.

Or Movistar and Astana.. No I'd be more entertained as I think he'd have a lot more to find! Sky have set themselves up to be shot at right from the off and I too am curious..

I think that generally the tendency in Britain is to scrutinize our own quite thoroughly whilst other countries generally don't quite so much, the press have been very influential and rigorous in this. I think it's quite natural for a journalist who works in Britain to examine SKY or Armstrong for example, although it would be very odd if they were to have a look into what would be going on in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Russia etc, where doping is systemic.

All for a bit of balance me

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He'll have a follow up coming out I'd expect. It's all career enhancing for him nevertheless.

You expect? Really, because he is currently writing a biography on another Rugby player.

So how does talking to a cycling website enhance ones career?

Funny thing is - you are suggesting that if Kimmage was to talk negatively about Sky when he tried to be embedded with the team would enhance his career - even though he would have been writing it in Murdoch owned newspaper about a Murdoch sponsored team.
I can think of smarter career moves.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

It is his job to write!!! So to write a followup would be career enhancing? He is not some lackey like Bill Strickland. I cant imagine talking about doping as career enhancement. Seems Wiggins agrees, talking about doping is not good for the career.

If Kimmage did a follow up to every doping scandal in pro cycling and sold them like JK Rowling he be able to own ASO.

Course it's his job to write, he earns money from it. He's sold thousands of books about the subject, he's on the make! There's merit in what he does and I can see why some cycling teams/individuals might think he's a pain in the ****, doesn't necessarily mean they've got something to hide.

Any top athlete has to watch what they say about doping very carefully, PED's are big business and like any black market commodity have people involved that you don't want to **** off. You maybe a big star one day, but you might not the next.

 

[Benotti69]

Course it's his job to write, he earns money from it. He's sold thousands of books about the subject, he's on the make! There's merit in what he does and I can see why some cycling teams/individuals might think he's a pain in the ****, doesn't necessarily mean they've got something to hide.

Any top athlete has to watch what they say about doping very carefully, PED's are big business and like any black market commodity have people involved that you don't want to **** off. You maybe a big star one day, but you might not the next.

It is his job or he is on the make? babbling a bit now aren't you.

If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about, but pro cycling nearly always has something to hide.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

So how does talking to a cycling website enhance ones career?

Funny thing is - you are suggesting that if Kimmage was to talk negatively about Sky when he tried to be embedded with the team would enhance his career - even though he would have been writing it in Murdoch owned newspaper about a Murdoch sponsored team.
I can think of smarter career moves.

Because if you're privy to the inner sanctum at any establishment it's win-win for you either way, it's how journos work. It's all about getting the lowdown one way or the other, good news or bad it's all news and it's yours if you can get the scoop. Investigating something as morally abhorrent as doping will automatically give him high ground, whether it's for a paper or his own book.

 

[Mr.DNA]

So Kimmage is all well and good until he starts talking about riders from your own country. I get it now. How long until Wiggins tells Kimmage he's not worth the chair he's sitting on?

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

It is his job or he is on the make? babbling a bit now aren't you.

.

Depends which hat he's got on, whether he's writing for a newspaper or writing a book. Either way he'll be getting paid, whether it's from an employer, or if he's working freelance or if he's writing a book of his own..

 

[Benotti69]

Depends which hat he's got on, whether he's writing for a newspaper or writing a book. Either way he'll be getting paid, whether it's from an employer, or if he's working freelance or if he's writing a book of his own..

Yes, you are astute. This is how some people can make a living. It just so happens that Kimmage is an award-winning sports journalist.

 

[The Hitch]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Points for using Shakespear.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Because if you're privy to the inner sanctum at any establishment it's win-win for you either way, it's how journos work. It's all about getting the lowdown one way or the other, good news or bad it's all news and it's yours if you can get the scoop. Investigating something as morally abhorrent as doping will automatically give him high ground, whether it's for a paper or his own book.

Uh huh.
So -he gets "paid"* either way? Good story or bad....

*(Lets just ignore that Kimmage is no longer in print journalism and is busy writing books on other sports and you have yet to establish who pays him)

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

So Kimmage is all well and good until he starts talking about riders from your own country. I get it now. How long until Wiggins tells Kimmage he's not worth the chair he's sitting on?

He's just doing his job/earning his living, fulfilling his role as a journalist over here does. They don't go poking their noses into other countries business as that would be condescending, other journalists can do their own.

Just can't remember any names of journalists from Italy, Portugal, Spain or Russia that have brought books out about doping in cycling, tripping off my tongue..

Obviously I think there is a disproportionate amount of criticism of SKY right now, but as they're a British team under the scrutiny of the British press it doesn't surprise me, it's part and parcel of being successful over here.

It does get up my nose how feted Richard Virenque is in France and the tolerance there is for doping in Italy, Spain and Portugal and yet when there is a team that I think is probably the cleanest team we've seen doing well, it annoys me. I'd like to see more balance for sure.

I definitely believe that doping is more systemic in countries other than Britain and certainly in cycling teams from Portugal, Spain, Italy and Russia generally speaking. Xavier Tondo is about the only Spanish guy that's won who I haven't suspected. Any Portuguese that wins for me is a doper. I don't trust anyone in Liquigas, Astana or Katusha.

If we're going to start pointing fingers, why not start looking at the most likely candidates first?

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Yes, you are astute. This is how some people can make a living. It just so happens that Kimmage is an award-winning sports journalist.

And what do you want? A ****ing chocolate watch?

And they can work in a variety of different ways.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

He's just doing his job/earning his living, fulfilling his role as a journalist over here does. They don't go poking their noses into other countries business as that would be condescending, other journalists can do their own.

Just can't remember any names of journalists from Italy, Portugal, Spain or Russia that have brought books out about doping in cycling, tripping off my tongue..

Obviously I think there is a disproportionate amount of criticism of SKY right now, but as they're a British team under the scrutiny of the British press it doesn't surprise me, it's part and parcel of being successful over here.

It does get up my nose how feted Richard Virenque is in France and the tolerance there is for doping in Italy, Spain and Portugal and yet when there is a team that I think is probably the cleanest team we've seen doing well, it annoys me. I'd like to see more balance for sure.

I definitely believe that doping is more systemic in countries other than Britain and certainly in cycling teams from Portugal, Spain, Italy and Russia generally speaking. Xavier Tondo is about the only Spanish guy that's won who I haven't suspected. Any Portuguese that wins for me is a doper. I don't trust anyone in Liquigas, Astana or Katusha.

If we're going to start pointing fingers, why not start looking at the most likely candidates first?

Okay, got it. English are always honest, always believe in them.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Uh huh.
So -he gets "paid"* either way? Good story or bad....

*(Lets just ignore that Kimmage is no longer in print journalism and is busy writing books on other sports and you have yet to establish who pays him)

Well, (really pedantically) if he writes a book he'll get his royalties. If he writes a piece for a paper or a news website as a freelance he'll get paid. He'd also get paid if he's employed by newspaper with a salary.

If he does a bit of blogging or posting on a forum and doesn't get paid, he's still promoting himself as an authority on a subject which would stand him in good stead 'til he does.

You're taking the **** aren't you!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

He's just doing his job/earning his living, fulfilling his role as a journalist over here does. They don't go poking their noses into other countries business as that would be condescending, other journalists can do their own.

Just can't remember any names of journalists from Italy, Portugal, Spain or Russia that have brought books out about doping in cycling, tripping off my tongue..

Obviously I think there is a disproportionate amount of criticism of SKY right now, but as they're a British team under the scrutiny of the British press it doesn't surprise me, it's part and parcel of being successful over here.

It does get up my nose how feted Richard Virenque is in France and the tolerance there is for doping in Italy, Spain and Portugal and yet when there is a team that I think is probably the cleanest team we've seen doing well, it annoys me. I'd like to see more balance for sure.

I definitely believe that doping is more systemic in countries other than Britain and certainly in cycling teams from Portugal, Spain, Italy and Russia generally speaking. Xavier Tondo is about the only Spanish guy that's won who I haven't suspected. Any Portuguese that wins for me is a doper. I don't trust anyone in Liquigas, Astana or Katusha.

If we're going to start pointing fingers, why not start looking at the most likely candidates first?

Your post fails in the first paragraph - Kimmage is Irish, not British.

BTW - was Matt Rendell condescending when he wrote about Pantani?
As to your final remark - you are more than welcome to join in any of the countless other threads that talk about different riders

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Okay, got it. English are always honest, always believe in them.

Again, you've made a leap with that one, but generally yes more than most, when we're talking of doping in cycling that is.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Again, you've made a leap with that one, but generally yes more than most, when we're talking of doping in cycling that is.

Alrighty. You should visit here more often, we do talk alot about other riders or teams.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Your post fails in the first paragraph - Kimmage is Irish, not British.

BTW - was Matt Rendell condescending when he wrote about Pantani?
As to your final remark - you are more than welcome to join in any of the countless other threads that talk about different riders

How does my post fail because of your ****y little self implemented technicality?

I know Kimmage is Irish but a lot of his work is within the British media.

No, I think Rendell wrote about someone we wanted to understand and know more about. It'd be different if he waded into Italian teams for know reason other than exposing them.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Alrighty. You should visit here more often, we do talk alot about other riders or teams.

Generally because there's good reason I would think.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Generally because there's good reason I would think.

Sorry, I mean I would hope..

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Generally because there's good reason I would think.

Yes, as good as a reason sky.