Wiggins, Clinic respect?

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pastronef said:
Digger said:
samhocking said:
70kmph said:
He saying if it's Fluimucil in the bag it would also contain needles and B vitamins

Freeman and Brailsford say its Fluimucil that's for a nebulizer and there's nothing else in the package, because a Doctor in possession of needles at a race faces a 5 year prison sentence

That would explain why Wiggo says he never sees the bag, riders is also subject to the needles charge
My understanding is Fluimicil in suspension form is what is used as deconjestant when nebulized and the same suspension can be injected an anti-oxident too. Clearly the team were heading directly to the training camp that evening. Just my hunch, but I think Phil Bert packaged everything Freeman was low on and would be against no-needles policy while at Dauphine. He wouldn't have had B12 as that would be evidnce of needles and he wouldn't have had Fluimicil in suspension as that could also be seen as breaking no-needles policy. Needles would also be required for any legal IV recovery at the training camp after midnight which is when the UCI period of competition and the no-needles rule ends.
I honestly think the whistleblower to Lawton got his story wrong. 6 years ago, he remembers a package, he remembers needles and he remembers Wiggins going on the bus. The Fancy Bears TUE was published, he put two and two together and assumed the package was Triamcinlone. He could be correct, but there's a lot more sense to the committee whistleblower than Lawton's. At least in terms of a believable story. If we've learnt anything, it's Sky appear to walk right up to the line of what is legal. Delivery of needles a few hours before midnight once the Dauphine finished crossed that line and this is why much of what came from Brailsford originally didn't make sense, because he knows they broke the no-needles policy introduced just a coulple of months earlier at Giro, even if nothing was ever injected until next day at the training camp and would have been within the rules.
Your understanding, as you say yourself, is wishful thinking in the extreme. It was kenacort.

Now can you address the testosterone patches.
whistleblower #1 to Committee: Fluimucil

whistleblower #2 to Lawton: Kenacort

maybe
maybe not

who to believe?
#1? #2? #Digger?

digger knows more?
digger knows less?

wishful thinking too?
Considering Sky lied about Cope doing a delivery to Pooley, then changing the story to Wiggins not being on the bus.....who to believe is easy. Sky said it was Fliumucil. So it has to be Kenacort. As i said easy.
 
it has to be. ok
but is it really?
will we ever know?
how can it be demonstrated?

(I know, it's banter, it's just me against the windmills. at the end of the day I don't want to hear the Sky accusers saying "we were right". it'll be fun until it lasts) ;)
 
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yaco said:
Any possibility that Whistleblower 2 ( who contacted the Parliamentary Committee ) was a Sky sympathiser or even planted by Sky ?
you mean whistleblower 1, contacted the Committee)

so would we prefer to believe what we like more?

the whistleblower 1 wrote to the Committee and warned them about no-needle policy possibly being broken. he didnt just say "fluimucil"
 
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yaco said:
Any possibility that Whistleblower 2 ( who contacted the Parliamentary Committee ) was a Sky sympathiser or even planted by Sky ?
Yep. Brailsford's dead hand in #2's statement. Deflection tactics. Muddy the waters. Running interference



pastronef said:
yaco said:
Any possibility that Whistleblower 2 ( who contacted the Parliamentary Committee ) was a Sky sympathiser or even planted by Sky ?
you mean whistleblower 1, contacted the Committee)

so would we prefer to believe what we like more?

the whistleblower 1 wrote to the Committee and warned them about no-needle policy possibly being broken. he didnt just say "fluimucil"
Nope. #1 started the saga by talking to UKAD and Lawton. #2's statement was months later after the DCMS committee had stopped interviewing wintesses
 
When I saw the headline that Cookson was calling for Wiggins' reputation to be reinstated I assumed he was talking about his well-deserved reputation for riding up mountains at the same speed as Cavendish

Anyway, how long before Brad calls for Cookson's reputation to be reinstated ?
 
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Eyeballs Out said:
When I saw the headline that Cookson was calling for Wiggins' reputation to be reinstated I assumed he was talking about his well-deserved reputation for riding up mountains at the same speed as Cavendish

Anyway, how long before Brad calls for Cookson's reputation to be reinstated ?
Nothing goes with such a sad situation quite like mutual back-rubs.
 
A funny day all round - Cookson calling for Wiggin's reputation to be restored which is an impossible task, then Russia banned from the 2018 Winter Olympics after their shenanigans at Sochi 2014 which should never have happened if WADA/IOC acted on solid informaton from thejournalist Nick Harris in July 2013 - You can't make this up.
 
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
 
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Craigee said:
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
I remember when the BCF as it was then was run by Ian Emerson of Impsport and Doug Dailey and was largely a fringe sport in the UK revolving around the Leicester track. Then came Team Brite & Linda Macartney

Then came Manchester, the World class performance plan, Academy etc etc and as British Cycling morphed into the empire it is today and so did the ego's of all those involved. The money didn't just go to their heads but so did the fame & hero worship.

Typified it to to me when at a TOB start in Epsom a few years back all the teams were milling around with the fans, signing autographs and chatting and Team Sky waited on their bus with curtains pulled till the very last minute in order to 'build the hype' and largely ignored their waiting fans as they jumped on their steeds to sign on. SKY/BC really are so far up their own backsides its unreal.
 
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Craigee said:
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
Not really. Cookson is a career civil servant. Lappartient is a career politician.

Who wins an election shouldn't be in doubt. Who does the best job certainly is.
 
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Parker said:
Craigee said:
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
Not really. Cookson is a career civil servant. Lappartient is a career politician.

Who wins an election shouldn't be in doubt. Who does the best job certainly is.
Career civil servant? Since when?

Cookson been in sporting administration since 1981.

He made a balls up of his presidency, but then don't they all. Too much time counting and bagging money.
 
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
MartinGT said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rowing/42294271
Hasnt he learnt from the past? Stay at home man and count your money!
It's an excellent 2000m time for someone whose sport isn't rowing. I rowed crew in college before I was a cyclist, and I never got 6:22

Problem for Wiggo will be that it gets exponentially harder, and indoor times on an ergometer don't translate directly to performance on the water.

"I might be being a bit delusional, but the times suggest I'm not," he said. "I'm going to see how far I can take it. Maybe a sixth Olympic gold?"
Not even remotely close to the Olympic level at this point, so yeah, "a bit delusional" on his part if he wants to make it there within one year. So much of the sport is technique and synchronization, pulling on an ergometer with no oar requires not much skill in comparison.
he trained a bit year ago https://twitter.com/SirWiggo/status/936599108822892545
 
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There is no way to master a technic sport to compete against the best in just more a couple of years.
 
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Parker said:
Craigee said:
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
Not really. Cookson is a career civil servant. Lappartient is a career politician.

Who wins an election shouldn't be in doubt. Who does the best job certainly is.
You're advocating that Cookson did a good job? Or just that you think Lappartient will be worse?
 
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heart_attack_man said:
Parker said:
Craigee said:
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
Not really. Cookson is a career civil servant. Lappartient is a career politician.

Who wins an election shouldn't be in doubt. Who does the best job certainly is.
You're advocating that Cookson did a good job? Or just that you think Lappartient will be worse?
I think cycling was in a better state in 2017 than it was in 2013 - particularly on the women's side. Whether any of that was down to Cookson, I don't know. He was generally quiet president - an administrator in keeping with his day job as a town planner.

Lappartient rings some alarm bells for me. He's a career politician who has eyes on the French Senate. So far his presidency has been a round of interviews with journalists saying things that play well with a French audience. Let's give him a year and see if has done anything in, to my mind, the three key issues in pro cycling - the economic model, rider safety and women's cycling. (Of course the clinic will only judge him on doping)
 
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Parker said:
heart_attack_man said:
Parker said:
Craigee said:
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
Not really. Cookson is a career civil servant. Lappartient is a career politician.

Who wins an election shouldn't be in doubt. Who does the best job certainly is.
You're advocating that Cookson did a good job? Or just that you think Lappartient will be worse?
I think cycling was in a better state in 2017 than it was in 2013 - particularly on the women's side. Whether any of that was down to Cookson, I don't know. He was generally quiet president - an administrator in keeping with his day job as a town planner.

Lappartient rings some alarm bells for me. He's a career politician who has eyes on the French Senate. So far his presidency has been a round of interviews with journalists saying things that play well with a French audience. Let's give him a year and see if has done anything in, to my mind, the three key issues in pro cycling - the economic model, rider safety and women's cycling. (Of course the clinic will only judge him on doping)
A landscape gardener who fell asleep at the wheel on several occasions. So much so his own countrymen were doping under his nose.

You could bring back McQuaid and he’d do a better job than selfie Cookson.
 
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Parker said:
heart_attack_man said:
Parker said:
Craigee said:
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
Not really. Cookson is a career civil servant. Lappartient is a career politician.

Who wins an election shouldn't be in doubt. Who does the best job certainly is.
You're advocating that Cookson did a good job? Or just that you think Lappartient will be worse?
I think cycling was in a better state in 2017 than it was in 2013 - particularly on the women's side. Whether any of that was down to Cookson, I don't know. He was generally quiet president - an administrator in keeping with his day job as a town planner.

Lappartient rings some alarm bells for me. He's a career politician who has eyes on the French Senate. So far his presidency has been a round of interviews with journalists saying things that play well with a French audience. Let's give him a year and see if has done anything in, to my mind, the three key issues in pro cycling - the economic model, rider safety and women's cycling. (Of course the clinic will only judge him on doping)
Fair enough - I personally don't think cycling is in a better state in 2017 than '13, but YMMV. I don't believe it's in a better state than 2001 for that matter. It was certainly better to watch then, even if it was turbo-charged.
 
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Parker said:
heart_attack_man said:
Parker said:
Craigee said:
Scraping the bottom of the barrel when your main supporter just got thrashed in an election as leader of your sport after being the leader for one term. British cycling getting worse by the day.
Not really. Cookson is a career civil servant. Lappartient is a career politician.

Who wins an election shouldn't be in doubt. Who does the best job certainly is.
You're advocating that Cookson did a good job? Or just that you think Lappartient will be worse?
I think cycling was in a better state in 2017 than it was in 2013 - particularly on the women's side. Whether any of that was down to Cookson, I don't know. He was generally quiet president - an administrator in keeping with his day job as a town planner.

Lappartient rings some alarm bells for me. He's a career politician who has eyes on the French Senate. So far his presidency has been a round of interviews with journalists saying things that play well with a French audience. Let's give him a year and see if has done anything in, to my mind, the three key issues in pro cycling - the economic model, rider safety and women's cycling. (Of course the clinic will only judge him on doping)
The clinic is not a single entity. Stop trolling.

Doping not a key issue?

Motors not a key issues?

I would have put those 2 up top. But then i see the sport for what it truly is.
 
The Carrot said:
Freddythefrog said:
Sutton left to run the show at BC.

Taylor left Cloughie to do it on his own because Taylor thought he could. This is a case of Sir Dave leaving Sutton to do it on his own because Shane thought he could. "So you think you can get by without me Shane do you. Well let's just give that a go."

Best thing that could have happened. Sky will be stable. British Cycling with Sutton in charge. As the eloquent poster put it a few years ago when Floyd wrote us his letter - I am going to pull up a chair and a case of beer. This is going to be one to watch.


Freddythefrog must have got through a lot of beer this week. :D
Well that was April 14. I have had a couple of beers in the last two days. Going to tip my hat to Cath Wiggins tonight.

(Edit - added for those who could not find it http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/12/14/sir-bradley-wiggins-wife-cath-calls-chris-froome-slithering/). The instability has migrated.
 
To me the difference between Wiggins and Froome is like the difference between Berlusconi and Bush. When Bush was on TV I switched channels, because I couldn't stand his face. When Berlusconi was on TV I kept watching because I wanted to know what scandal he was involved in this time. I knew he was a crook, but it had entertainment value. With Wiggins it's the same. Seeing how he transformed his body from gaunt cyclist to robust rower made me laugh. That guy is quite fanatic and eccentric.
 

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