Again Wiggo has Lance-EnvyBolder said:He is not wrong and it's refreshing to see someone cut through the crap.
I am a doping skeptic and don't generally subscribe to "guilty until proven innocent," but I think Wiggins doped to win the TdF, and I think he was smart enough to know exactly what LA did to win it. Some of his public statements indicate (to me) that he'd like to come clean, as it were. The fact that he's softening his stance on LA seems to fit that pattern. I.E., well, HE wasn't the devil incarnate, actually, so neither am I...
samhocking said:I'll ask him for you as I'm going to the Wiggins QA A/ Evening With Wiggins next month in Kentish Town so might put that Q in the hat, it's a good one no matter what side of the fence you stand.
If you'd read the book or even the source interview of the article, you would realise Wiggins was describing Armstrong as 'a perfect winner' because that's how Henri Desgrange described what the winner would need to be, in order to win his race 120 years ago.MartinGT said:samhocking said:I'll ask him for you as I'm going to the Wiggins QA A/ Evening With Wiggins next month in Kentish Town so might put that Q in the hat, it's a good one no matter what side of the fence you stand.
Can you ask him why he think's he was perfect and has a love in with him. Has he got over his nausea for him now?
Angliru said:Puckfiend said:
...and all the Sky cult are humming "La, la, la, la, la. I can't hear you!!
La, la, la, la, la." All while covering etheir eyes.
Of all the cycling books published in the UK in the last decade, I think only one made it into the real best seller's list: Wiggins's third volume of autobiographies. So to suggest that this seventh volume is in some way stupid, well, I'm sorry, but the bottom line laughs that comment off the stage.ontheroad said:It says something about the stupidity of Wiggins that he has released another book and put Armstrong et al up on a pedestal.
My bookshelves are full of authors lauding dopers. Who doesn't love Coppi, who doesn't love Anquetil? Are we to air-brush from the history of the sport Pélissier? Are we to air-brush from the sport Géminiani? Are we who grew up watching the sport in the eighties, in the nineties, in the noughties, to forget what we saw and instead try and imagine some prelapsarian world with no doping?ontheroad said:He is now a hypocrite of the highest degree, by lauding so many dopers.
In the same way Wiggins has in interviews since the book launch said that Armstrong is not an icon, but is iconic (despite his inclusion in a book called 'Icons') some want to get all Jesuitical on this and argue that Wiggins doesn't say that Armstrong was that 'perfect winner' his version of the myth Desgrange is supposed to have believed in says he is.Legend has it that Henri Desgrange, the ‘Father of the Tour’, envisaged a ‘perfect winner’. He was of the idea that the ideal Tour de France would have one finisher, a type of super-athlete who would not only defeat his opponents, but also whatever nature might throw at him.
It was an extreme version of cycling, and a very French one. It also explains why Tour de France winners tended to be masochistic, obsessive and, on occasion, borderline sociopathic.
Is that opinion valid? Not, Peter Cossins would say, if you rely on the myth of the ideal Tour:He was the archetypal Tour de France cyclist, and he was precisely the sort of winner Desgrange had in mind 120 years ago.
Good article but no mention of Wiggo,Benotti69 said:Rob Hurd has been telling people about his days in pro cycling
Been telling stuff about Wigans.
samhocking said:A 5 year old article from a rider who retired in 2001 the year Wiggins began his pro career talking about riders injected corticosteroids to race Grand Prix Cholet-Pays de la Loire? Not even sure Wiggins raced it in 2005 with C.A.?
gillan1969 said:samhocking said:A 5 year old article from a rider who retired in 2001 the year Wiggins began his pro career talking about riders injected corticosteroids to race Grand Prix Cholet-Pays de la Loire? Not even sure Wiggins raced it in 2005 with C.A.?
are we not putting 2 and 2 together?
"Another time he recalls being “angry” when approached by a British cycling manager who wanted his charge introduced to a “good” doctor in Belgium."